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[shoc]

No. We can't. Getting into the Shadowlands is not like crossing the street.

And even if it was, again, the Shadowlands' races cannot, because, unlike the mortal races, they're all have eternal duties to take care of.

Crossing into the Shadowlands is quite literally as easy as crossing the street now. Khadgar literally shows up at the end after everything is done just to explore the place for himself. Some Kyrians stay on Azeroth to be Spirit Healers, some Maldraxxi invade other realms as part of missions, the Venthyr don't leave but their Nathrezim cousins do. And the Night Fae talk about visiting Azeroth now that the way between worlds is open.

[Ielenia]

Crossing into the Shadowlands is quite literally as easy as crossing the street now. Khadgar literally shows up at the end after everything is done just to explore the place for himself.

Yes, Khadgar. That's the guy who sells cheese in Stormwind, isn't he? Or perhaps one of the children that runs around Stormwind's streets?

Oh, wait. No. He is one of the most powerful mages in all of Azeroth.

I don't think you thought this through when your example of "everyone can easily access the Shadowlands" is Khadgar. That's like saying "anyone can easily pull a truck with their own legs. After all, Tom Stoltman (the world's strongest man) can do it".

Some Kyrians stay on Azeroth to be Spirit Healers, some Maldraxxi invade other realms as part of missions, the Venthyr don't leave but their Nathrezim cousins do. And the Night Fae talk about visiting Azeroth now that the way between worlds is open.

Like I said, it's because they have duties to attend to. They don't go to those realms for some vacation time. They go there because their eternal duties demand.

[shoc]

Yes, Khadgar. That's the guy who sells cheese in Stormwind, isn't he? Or perhaps one of the children that runs around Stormwind's streets?

Oh, wait. No. He is one of the most powerful mages in all of Azeroth.

I don't think you thought this through when your example of "everyone can easily access the Shadowlands" is Khadgar. That's like saying "anyone can easily pull a truck with their own legs. After all, Tom Stoltman (the world's strongest man) can do it".


Like I said, it's because they have duties to attend to. They don't go to those realms for some vacation time. They go there because their eternal duties demand.

Okay, then what about Taelia Fordragon, Calia, and Shandris? Hell, Shadnris even goes to the Maw in search of Tyrande and comes back just as easily.

The Shadowlands might as well be Outland it's so easy to go back and forth.

[Ielenia]

Okay, then what about Taelia Fordragon, Calia, and Shandris? Hell, Shadnris even goes to the Maw in search of Tyrande and comes back just as easily.

Likely the Knights of the Ebon Blade gave them access. And Shandris only went to the Maw because we (as in, our character) could bring her back.

The Shadowlands might as well be Outland it's so easy to go back and forth.

You mean the place we, canonically, can't go back to anymore because the Dark Portal got redirected to AU Draenor back in WoD?

[Nightshade711]

Okay, then what about Taelia Fordragon, Calia, and Shandris? Hell, Shadnris even goes to the Maw in search of Tyrande and comes back just as easily.

The Shadowlands might as well be Outland it's so easy to go back and forth.

Who would’ve guessed that major characters would’ve been able to go into The Shadowlands?

[Lady Atia]

Likely the Knights of the Ebon Blade gave them access. And Shandris only went to the Maw because we (as in, our character) could bring her back.


You mean the place we, canonically, can't go back to anymore because the Dark Portal got redirected to AU Draenor back in WoD?

Saurfang did manage to go to Outlands during BfA to get Thrall though.

[Ersula]

No. We can't. Getting into the Shadowlands is not like crossing the street.

And even if it was, again, the Shadowlands' races cannot, because, unlike the mortal races, they're all have eternal duties to take care of.

Talia apparently did it on a whim. Emma and Philia too. Although they seem to be a remnant from the aborted Lilian Voss questline in Shadowlands (Voss was supposed to be the Horde counterpart to Shandris for Shadowlands but they cancelled it based on time & just used Shandris for both factions)

[rhorle]

You mean the place we, canonically, can't go back to anymore because the Dark Portal got redirected to AU Draenor back in WoD?

We can travel back there and we even had a cinematic happen on Nagrand in BfA. https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Safe_Haven

The shadowlands is accessible to any mortal who is able to go through a portal set up. So if the horde, alliance, or whoever controls access allows them to then they can easily go in and out.

[Alanar]

Crossing into the Shadowlands is quite literally as easy as crossing the street now. Khadgar literally shows up at the end after everything is done just to explore the place for himself. Some Kyrians stay on Azeroth to be Spirit Healers, some Maldraxxi invade other realms as part of missions, the Venthyr don't leave but their Nathrezim cousins do. And the Night Fae talk about visiting Azeroth now that the way between worlds is open.

I also believe venthyr, kyrian eyc wouldnt be to hard to fix those for playable versions. I guess the point is that it would be possible, if they will is a second.

But trying and circling around the conversation of some tech stuff and wether that its hard to implement or not is really not up to us, lets be honest. Trying to play dev just isnt worth it, blizz could come up with their own reasoning and we know for a favt about the rig system and how it works, thanks to that guide. Hell my sig proved even further how easy it is to add or implement essets on models. Sadly this is just how it is.

Crossing shadowlands has been proven to be easy multiple times now,(no realy its a joke) can we please stop bitching about it being an issue. Because its just so easy to solve this that its just cringe to see people arguing about their sacred duty still, it literally has no value anymore after countless examples, mawsworn kyrian keeping their memories and knowing about their past. Or kyrian and night fea wanting to explore azeroth and ofc all those npcs crossing to the shadowlands for a short quest or dialogue(khadgar, salandria 9.2.5, vereesa etc etc. Mind you, salandria is a literal kid, who just joyfully hops through the portal. Other should be ez with eons of expertise.

I am not saying they will be playable, but it has become very hard for the naysayers to come up with very solid arguments, just because pretty much most of them lost their value over the years.

[Ielenia]

Saurfang did manage to go to Outlands during BfA to get Thrall though.

True. Forgot about that. They must have a different way to access Outland, since the Dark Portal isn't linked to it anymore.

[username993720]

No. We can't. Getting into the Shadowlands is not like crossing the street.

You just said it takes a mere portal, as 9.2.5 shows us.

And even if it was, again, the Shadowlands' races cannot, because, unlike the mortal races, they're all have eternal duties to take care of.

Talking about workaholic.
I think they need a vacation. And they will.

[Nightshade711]

Old lore: Portals to a few worlds over can overload the ley lines and cause entire planets to shatter.

New lore: Yeah we just simply opened portals to entirely new planes of reality no biggie

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Old lore: Portals to a few worlds over can overload the ley lines and cause entire planets to shatter.

New lore: Yeah we just simply opened portals to entirely new planes of reality no biggie

Maybe if Azeroth is super messed up like Draenor was at the time that would be accurate but right now no. That and well Ner'zhul opened multiple portals among other things and it was just him doing it not two people holding the portal open(That job must suck)

[Kyriani]

While I can't say for sure how likely or unlikely an allied race is, I would not be unhappy if we at least got darkfallen customization options, if not an allied race.

[Ielenia]

You just said it takes a mere portal, as 9.2.5 shows us.

There is no such thing as "mere portal". Again, crossing into the Shadowlands is not as simple as crossing the street.

Talking about workaholic.

Unlike the mortal races, they exist for a reason.

I think they need a vacation. And they will.

They won't.

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Old lore: Portals to a few worlds over can overload the ley lines and cause entire planets to shatter.

New lore: Yeah we just simply opened portals to entirely new planes of reality no biggie

It's not like that. The portals we have in Stormwind are small, single-person portals. The ones that caused the shattering of Draenor were all huge like the Dark Portal.

On top of that, all of those portals that caused the destruction of Draenor led to other planets while the ones we have in our capital cities lead to other locations on the same planet, save for a few.

[Raisei]

I meant "we" as "the good guys". Why would it be a good thing to summon a genocidal army that wants to kill anyone who doesn't convert?

I mean that is literally the Horde faction story for the last 10 years.

[username993720]

There is no such thing as "mere portal". Again, crossing into the Shadowlands is not as simple as crossing the street.

We just agreed it takes a portal to get there.

Unlike the mortal races, they exist for a reason.

So are the Dracthyr. And they join us.
And the Lightforged Draenei.
Demon Hunters.
A lot of groups with a certain purpose relinquish their duties to join us. That's the game.

They won't.

We'll see.

[rhorle]

There is no such thing as "mere portal". Again, crossing into the Shadowlands is not as simple as crossing the street.

The game states that going to the Shadowlands is "as simple as crossing the street". You just walk through the portal that was established.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Tether_to_Home

"If you have a memento from your homeworld, place it there. The table's magic can establish a connection. "

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/A_D...rough_the_Veil

"By affixing the Helm here, you gave us a tether to Azeroth that served to bring a few of us across the veil. But you, and other heroes who join us, require a stronger connection. Our acolytes can open portals back. No doubt these attendants will be particular about their placement. "

"Ebon Blade Acolyte says: I have opened countless portals in my lifetime. But never one that connected two planes of reality."

[Ielenia]

We just agreed it takes a portal to get there.

A portal that is not available to the general public.

So are the Dracthyr. And they join us.

We don't know what the actual purpose of the dracthyr was, and we don't know what will happen in their starting zone experience to know what will make them join us. If their purpose is to "serve the dragons" and the dragons tell them to "help the mortals", they're still serving their purpose.

And the Lightforged Draenei.
Demon Hunters.

The Burning Legion is over, if you didn't notice.

A lot of groups with a certain purpose relinquish their duties to join us. That's the game.

No one has relinquished their duties.

[shoc]

A portal that is not available to the general public.


We don't know what the actual purpose of the dracthyr was, and we don't know what will happen in their starting zone experience to know what will make them join us. If their purpose is to "serve the dragons" and the dragons tell them to "help the mortals", they're still serving their purpose.


The Burning Legion is over, if you didn't notice.


No one has relinquished their duties.

This argument has devolved to headcanon that contradicts what happens in-game.