Texas Elementary School Shooting, as many as 22 dead, including Children

[Draco-Onis]

I guess they could take them to civil court maybe, but I wouldn't put much faith in any success.

I would suspect the city would settle out of court if only for the optics.

[Edge-]

I would suspect the city would settle out of court if only for the optics.

Local taxpayers are gonna be on the hook for a lot.

[Deus Mortis]

Uvalde police, school district no longer cooperating with Texas probe of shootingThe Uvalde Police Department and the Uvalde Independent School District police force are no longer cooperating with the Texas Department of Public Safety's investigation into the massacre at Robb Elementary School and the state's review of the law enforcement response, multiple law enforcement sources tell ABC News.

According to sources, the decision to stop cooperating occurred soon after the director of DPS, Col. Steven McCraw, held a news conference Friday during which he said the delayed police entry into the classroom was "the wrong decision" and contrary to protocol.

Maybe that coward of a police chief could see actual jail time.

Just saw this on my yahoo feed as well and holy shit. That department needs a full deep cleaning and any officer that refuses to cooperate needs to be fired. Definitely make sure this police chief never gets a job of responsibility again.

[Draco-Onis]

Local taxpayers are gonna be on the hook for a lot.

If there was any real justice all these cowards at least would be fired without compensation or pension however they will most likely get transferred given promotion and retire on a fat pension.

[Edge-]

If there was any real justice all these cowards at least would be fired without compensation or pension however they will most likely get transferred given promotion and retire on a fat pension.

Florida is probably looking for more disgraced cops to hire on, so they always have Florida as their backup plan.

[cubby]

As has been discussed, police do not have a legal obligation to do their jobs and protect people. And I doubt they could get sued for giving initially incorrect, or even provably dishonest, information.

They were likely just trying to spin the most positive story they could for as long as they could because they immediately realized how terribly things were looking for them.

Generally speaking, this is absolutely correct. LEO's are typically enshrined in protective legislation to prevent their mistakes from becoming litigious (so much so that no-knock warranting the wrong house and killing the person inside is barred from criminal or civil punishment, including a wrongful death suit).

However, on a very slim outside chance - the Texas State Trooper indicated that the Cowardly Police Chief "did not follow protocol", and that might be an edge to slip under the onion of protection LEO's enjoy. Doubtful though.

The United States is a militarized police state. Even though 99.9997% of all LEO's do good work, the few that fuck up, can fuck up bigly, and get away with it. And there is almost no way to right the ship. And it pains me deeply, because one of my very good friends in life is a police detective, and he is everything we'd ever want in a law enforcement officer, and it pains him as much, or more, by how the U.S. is continuing down this horrific road.

[cubby]

Just saw this on my yahoo feed as well and holy shit. That department needs a full deep cleaning and any officer that refuses to cooperate needs to be fired. Definitely make sure this police chief never gets a job of responsibility again.

Agreed. But, to clarify - and this is just for facts, not that I agree or condone.

To "stop cooperating" with other state or federal law enforcement agencies, it basically means they department is turtling under their union lawyers, and responding only and specifically to official requests, etc. It means everyone is lawyering up, and getting ready for the hammer to come down.

Again, just to clarify, not defend or condone.

[draynay]

Florida is probably looking for more disgraced cops to hire on, so they always have Florida as their backup plan.

Do I sense a new state motto?

[Edge-]

Do I sense a new state motto?

Florida: Your bad cops are actually our good cops.

[PACOX]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...hootings-in-us

100% for clout but I always wondered when other countries would bring US mass shootings to the world stage.

Then you have Canada who is just like "this is how functional governments actually deal with its issues".


This shit was embarrassing a decade ago.

[Edge-]

Then you have Canada who is just like "this is how functional governments actually deal with its issues".

Hilariously, I seem to be seeing more Americans outraged by what's happening in Canada. Canada might want to rethink the positions before some yahoo 'Murican's decide to BRING SOME FREEDOM up there.

Which I hope never happens, but given what we've been seeing out of the American conservative movement lately, who knows what they're growing in those peach tree dishes.

[Masark]

Hilariously, I seem to be seeing more Americans outraged by what's happening in Canada. Canada might want to rethink the positions before some yahoo 'Murican's decide to BRING SOME FREEDOM up there.

I think the CBSA needs to be instructed to ask all Americans entering "Are you or have you ever been a member of the Republican party?"

[Fugus]

Given how extreme some cases have gotten, I doubt much will happen here short of token firings. No legal fines or anything like that.

Remember hearing YEARS ago about a case where an apartment of girls heard a friend of theirs downstairs being messed with by a bunch of guys and called the cops. When things got silent they went down to see if the cops where there and check on their friend to find the guys still down there and took them hostage and spent the next 14 hours beating, raping, sodomizing, and peeing on them while forcing them to perform sexual acts on each other before they finally left. The police never bothered to send anyone. And the courts sided with the police on it saying they weren't required to protect them or something along those lines.

Can't remember the exact details on it and not sure how to google for this without just getting a bunch of porn. But given that story, I don't have much hope for this one short of token firings and losing elections, no actual charges filed I am betting.

[Jastall]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...hootings-in-us

100% for clout but I always wondered when other countries would bring US mass shootings to the world stage.

Then you have Canada who is just like "this is how functional governments actually deal with its issues".


This shit was embarrassing a decade ago.

I mean US mass shootings are bad and all but China of "let's drop entire ethnic groups into concentration camps" fame ain't got no lesson to give to anyone regarding racism or human rights records.

As for us in Canada, don't think it's a universal opinion. Conservatives don't like the new proposed bill in general. Bloc has proposed a buyback which I wouldn't be against if well implemented.

[Breccia]

Uvalde literally declared disaster area.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) announced Tuesday that he has declared the city of Uvalde a state of disaster following a deadly mass shooting that killed 19 children and two adults at Robb Elementary School.

The declaration will accelerate state and local assistance and suspend regulations that would "prevent, hinder or delay necessary action," according to a press release from Abbott's office.

The declaration also enables state agencies such as the Texas Division of Emergency Management to continue providing crisis response resources, including a temporary facility for community members who are seeking mental health support.

[Xyonai]

Uvalde police, school district no longer cooperating with Texas probe of shooting

One of those cops definitely shot a kid.

[Edge-]

Uvalde police, school district no longer cooperating with Texas probe of shooting

The Uvalde Police Department and the Uvalde Independent School District police force are no longer cooperating with the Texas Department of Public Safety's investigation into the massacre at Robb Elementary School and the state's review of the law enforcement response, multiple law enforcement sources tell ABC News.

According to sources, the decision to stop cooperating occurred soon after the director of DPS, Col. Steven McCraw, held a news conference Friday during which he said the delayed police entry into the classroom was "the wrong decision" and contrary to protocol.

Maybe that coward of a police chief could see actual jail time.

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05...investigation/

More on this -

Texas Rangers investigating the response to the shooting want to continue talking to Pete Arredondo, chief of police at Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District. But he hasn’t answered a request made two days ago for a follow-up interview, according to two DPS spokespeople.

The Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District’s police department and the Uvalde Police Department have otherwise been cooperating with the Rangers’ investigation, DPS spokesperson Travis Considine said.

So sounds like it's mostly the chief of police who's ghosting them. I mean, I can understand it to a point - guy is a small town police chief suddenly thrust into the national spotlight on one of the worst days of his life when he's made objectively terrible decisions that resulted in 21 people dying. In that situation I'd probably turtle as well...but that's why I don't/wouldn't take a job with that kind of pressure, either. But it's also making things worse and making them look worse for him. I would feel bad for him if he wasn't, apparently, primarily responsible as the commander on the scene for allowing children to die while he ordered law enforcement to do nothing.

[Deus Mortis]

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05...investigation/

More on this -



So sounds like it's mostly the chief of police who's ghosting them. I mean, I can understand it to a point - guy is a small town police chief suddenly thrust into the national spotlight on one of the worst days of his life when he's made objectively terrible decisions that resulted in 21 people dying. In that situation I'd probably turtle as well...but that's why I don't/wouldn't take a job with that kind of pressure, either. But it's also making things worse and making them look worse for him. I would feel bad for him if he wasn't, apparently, primarily responsible as the commander on the scene for allowing children to die while he ordered law enforcement to do nothing.

Nice to see the others are cooperating and that it is not the entire department not helping. But this dude is doing himself no favors. I mean public pressure should not really be getting to him, he was running for the city council after all, and that comes with plenty of pissed off people. I would never want it except for maybe people like Putin, but I have a feeling this dude is going to off himself. He has both sides throwing daggers at him atm.

[Breccia]

One of those cops definitely shot a kid.

I hope that's not true. Also, if the cops didn't engage the shooter, I'm wondering how that would even have happened. Unless you mean the Border Patrol group that shot him 27 times and hitting a hostage in the crossfire, which at this point, I'd actually understand considering the gunman killed the other 20.

[Deus Mortis]

And that teacher that the cops keep blaming for propping open the door?

Yeah...they didn't, they closed the door after hearing people yell there was someone with a gun.

And worth noting, it's very likely that the teacher did not have the keys needed to lock the door. Teacher did the right things, called 911 and tried to keep the shooter out.

Cops have a lot of 'splainin to do.

I do wonder if literally anything the cops said in the first 24 hours will end up being true by the end of this. I get it, lots of initial confusion and getting to the bottom of things, but it sure seems like local cops straight up made up a ton of this shit early on.

To add to this since your article did not mention it.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/texas-pol...212205285.html

They have now determined that the teacher, who has not been identified, propped the door open with a rock, but then removed the rock and closed the door when she realized there was a shooter on campus, said Travis Considine, chief communications officer for the Texas Department of Public Safety. But, Considine said, the door that was designed to lock when shut did not lock.

“We did verify she closed the door. The door did not lock. We know that much and now investigators are looking into why it did not lock,” Considine said.

So this is not the teachers fault in any shape or form.