Texas Elementary School Shooting, as many as 22 dead, including Children

[cubby]

Uvalde literally declared disaster area.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) announced Tuesday that he has declared the city of Uvalde a state of disaster following a deadly mass shooting that killed 19 children and two adults at Robb Elementary School.

The declaration will accelerate state and local assistance and suspend regulations that would "prevent, hinder or delay necessary action," according to a press release from Abbott's office.

The declaration also enables state agencies such as the Texas Division of Emergency Management to continue providing crisis response resources, including a temporary facility for community members who are seeking mental health support.

I'm deeply concerned by this decision of Abbott's. It's literally the best and right thing to do. And he did. Usually he would run the other direction, like pass a law saying it's illegal to help victims and anyone doing so can be turned in for a $10k bounty.

[Breccia]

I'm deeply concerned by this decision of Abbott's.

It does seem out of character for him to admit the gun rights he fought so hard for led to a listeral disaster.

[cubby]

I hope that's not true. Also, if the cops didn't engage the shooter, I'm wondering how that would even have happened. Unless you mean the Border Patrol group that shot him 27 times and hitting a hostage in the crossfire, which at this point, I'd actually understand considering the gunman killed the other 20.

Every time I see a reality update, wherein the facts push aside the Uvalde spin cycle, and apparently show that the Uvalde Cowards literally sat outside the school, for 50 fucking minutes, while children called for help on 911 as they were continually slaughtered, only to be saved by some hero who heard it on the news, drove over, and took care of business, I hope in a darker portion of my psyche that the police chief rots in hell for the remainder of his life. I would not be surprised if he were either in hiding, or has some kind of protection. I wonder if his protection would wait around and not help if someone decided to lash out at him.

(I know this is a bit out of character at what I hope are usually rational posts, but I'm beyond good words at this point)

If I was part of the Prosecutor's Office in that area, after I got my head screwed back on straight, I would be looking at how to charge the Cowardly Uvalde Chief with negligent homicide.

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One of those cops definitely shot a kid.

How could they have? The Uvalde Police Chief kept his officers out of harms way, remember? The Border Patrol Agents are the [unbelievable] heroes, because they could armor up from what they carried in their off duty vehicles while they were at Starbucks.

What in the holy fucking hell is going on in this country?

[Endus]

What in the holy fucking hell is going on in this country?

Fascism. In a nutshell.

Under fascist systems, the police exist to enforce the will of those in power, and to protect themselves as agents of that power. They do not serve the interests of the people, because the people are inevitably the enemy of the fascist State. At best, you're propagandizing the useful majority while purging "offensive" minorities, but which minority groups qualify is a sliding scale that forever chips away at that useful majority until the entire system collapses under its own hubris, or it gets forced to shut down by other nations' use of force against them.

This is, literally, what fascism looks like.

[Edge-]

So this is not the teachers fault in any shape or form.

DPS and local response is in shambles now that they have to find a new scapegoat to blame. That teacher was a really good scapegoat for a few days, they might have to finally start accepting some collective blame themselves...oh the horror of being blame for failing to do your fucking job resulting in the many likely avoidable deaths of children and adults.

[Breccia]

So this is not the teachers fault in any shape or form.

I mean...when you get to the part of the literal disaster which is "because the average American armed with a weapon of war got into the police-protected school, the teacher should--" you can just give up on "fault". The situation is already fucked.

[Sunseeker]

Can I be a MASSIVE dick for a moment and just state: this is Texas. How many of these folks go home and vote against gun control, vote against improving our schools, vote against raising teacher pay, vote for rabid fascist-wannabes and talk about more guns and arming teachers like it's a solution?

Tony Gonzales, R-TX, representative for the 23rd District of Texas, has a 92% approval rating from the NRA. He voted against the Domestic Terrorism Prevention Act. He has 80% favorability with the National Association of Police Organizations. He was literally rated ZERO by the National Education Association. His website says he favors "school choice" aka: vouchers, aka: public funding to private institutions. He has exceedingly high favorability with just about every name-drop conservative organization you can think of and low ratings by almost every organization related to social care, education, or health and wellness.
https://justfacts.votesmart.org/cand.../tony-gonzales

My pity well is at the bottom folks. This isn't about guns. This is the outcome of electing people like this.

Am I saying these folks deserve what happened? FUCK NO. But I am saying: what other outcome was there?

[cubby]

I mean...when you get to the part of the literal disaster which is "because the average American armed with a weapon of war got into the police-protected school, the teacher should--" you can just give up on "fault". The situation is already fucked.

I mean, exactly. The school district literally had their own fucking [cowardly] police department. What else was their job except preventing this from happening?

And the GQP will stay quiet while the sane folks cause the expected and correct uproar until the whole thing blows over, while we quietly continue down the path to Gilead.

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Can I be a MASSIVE dick for a moment and just state: this is Texas. How many of these folks go home and vote against gun control, vote against improving our schools, vote against raising teacher pay, vote for rabid fascist-wannabes and talk about more guns and arming teachers like it's a solution?

Tony Gonzales, R-TX, representative for the 23rd District of Texas, has a 92% approval rating from the NRA. He voted against the Domestic Terrorism Prevention Act. He has 80% favorability with the National Association of Police Organizations. He was literally rated ZERO by the National Education Association. His website says he favors "school choice" aka: vouchers, aka: public funding to private institutions. He has exceedingly high favorability with just about every name-drop conservative organization you can think of and low ratings by almost every organization related to social care, education, or health and wellness.
https://justfacts.votesmart.org/cand.../tony-gonzales

My pity well is at the bottom folks. This isn't about guns. This is the outcome of electing people like this.

Am I saying these folks deserve what happened? FUCK NO. But I am saying: what other outcome was there?

What's really interesting is that this IS Texas, and gun toting [cowardly] legally protected LEO's didn't have the balls to go in and save children. I'm not sure you're expressing just how bigly fucked we all are.
@Endus nailed it.

Fascism. In a nutshell.

Under fascist systems, the police exist to enforce the will of those in power, and to protect themselves as agents of that power. They do not serve the interests of the people, because the people are inevitably the enemy of the fascist State. At best, you're propagandizing the useful majority while purging "offensive" minorities, but which minority groups qualify is a sliding scale that forever chips away at that useful majority until the entire system collapses under its own hubris, or it gets forced to shut down by other nations' use of force against them.

This is, literally, what fascism looks like.

[Deus Mortis]

DPS and local response is in shambles now that they have to find a new scapegoat to blame. That teacher was a really good scapegoat for a few days, they might have to finally start accepting some collective blame themselves...oh the horror of being blame for failing to do your fucking job resulting in the many likely avoidable deaths of children and adults.

I'm sure the police captains lawyers/police union will come up with a new doozy.

[Breccia]

vote against improving our schools, vote against raising teacher pay

They think arming teachers is improving the schools. @Endus might have something to say about that, too.

Unrelated: if my boss told me "this year, instead of a cost-of-living salary increase, you're getting a gun" the next thing he'd say would be "hey, where are you going with that cardboard box?"

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I'm sure the police captains lawyers/police union will come up with a new doozy.

I dunno, they're basically out of options except
a) whoever made the door not lock properly, or
b) themselves, or
c) the society that gives the average American a weapon of war unless they've done something truly horrible, like shoot up a school already.

I haven't seen this door/lock yet, but I can tell you (again?) that mine are an inch of solid wood with that security glass with chicken wire in it, and a deadbolt. It will stop the average American with a bat, knife, or bare hands. It would stop the average American with an axe or crowbar long enough for my students to get out the window. It would not stop the average American with a weapon intentionally made for the US military. Well, not for long, at least. We also know (sigh) have heard earlier reports that the murderer tried one door, it was locked, and moved on. So I'm kind of curious what kind of special doors this and one assumes many other Texas schools have. Maybe one of those Dylng Light steel doors with the double barring lock on one side? Wait, no, those locks actually work.

EDIT: Morbidly curious fucker that I am, I found this within seconds:



It's a guy using various pistols to shoot through a wooden door. Why yes, that accent is exactly what you think it is.

[Endus]

They think arming teachers is improving the schools. @Endus might have something to say about that, too.

1> It gets teachers shot. Both by attackers, who will now presume all teachers are lethal threats and shoot them pre-emptively on sight, and by police trying to secure the school and shooting anyone they see who's armed.

2> They're not trained for it. You want me to be trained for it? Pay for the training. And the weapons. And that training's taking place during the workweek, not on my own time.

3> Oh, right, pay. You're paying me six figures now, right? Since physical security and use of lethal force are now a job requirement? No? Yeah, you're a skinflint asshole and this is about hurting teachers.

4> Having weapons in the schools makes it REAL convenient for an attacker to re-arm. If the bad guy kills the good guy with a gun, then the bad guy has a new gun and the death toll increases. Not to mention getting into the gun safes directly.

5> If cops won't risk confronting shooters, why are we expecting teachers to do it?

Hard to see the "arm the teachers" crowd as being anything but anti-education and hoping they get a lot of teachers killed. There's not a single valid argument to be had, here.

And I say this as a dude who was (briefly, medical release) in the Reserves and worked with weapons in a paramilitary drill/shooting group for several years, traveling internationally to perform. So I'm probably among the best-prepared to make that leap, of my colleagues. And I'm still at a complete "fuck no, and fuck you for even thinking it" about the idea.

[Breccia]

Not to mention getting into the gun safes directly.

Ah yes, the gun safe. Because what everyone wants to hear at their child's funeral, their child's teacher's funeral, or everyone's favorite both, is "if only the teacher had gotten the gun safe open sooner, truly this is their fault".

Which we 100% know would happen, because Texas was blaming the teacher for not locking the door on time.

5> If cops won't risk confronting shooters, why are we expecting teachers to do it?

Pfft. You sound just like



By the way, again, morbidly curious fucker that I am, I found dozens of articles in seconds about why teachers are quitting. Here's one of the more recent ones, and you'll mention "low pay" and "anger" are the top two reasons given. And it's not like Texas pays teachers above average.

I think we all know what happens when you take the money out of an urban area, then add more guns to it.

I dunno, this is Texas we're talking about. Maybe they'd rather have the gun, so they can shoot up a school or something.

[RaoBurning]

EDIT: Morbidly curious fucker that I am, I found this within seconds:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOVv9nGRi9Q

It's a guy using various pistols to shoot through a wooden door. Why yes, that accent is exactly what you think it is.

My school/work has all pretty heavy metal doors on every classroom, at least. Everywhere except the front office and the 2 routes from the office leading into the mail building, come to think of it. Oh and the back door to the library Where my office is. Damn.

Man here says metal doesn't hold up any better, which sucks, though I didn't see any other demo videos in his catalogue. Just a whole lot of gun porn. I admit I only scrolled through a few months of uploads.

[s_bushido]

But I am saying: what other outcome was there?

Thoughts and prayers.

[Poopymonster]

Just part of the cost of living in Texas.
Today's forecast. It's 98 out there with 65% humidity, so it'll feel a lot hotter. For the kids a 55% chance of pre puberty perforation, 75% in the downtown area.

[Ausr]

1> It gets teachers shot. Both by attackers, who will now presume all teachers are lethal threats and shoot them pre-emptively on sight, and by police trying to secure the school and shooting anyone they see who's armed.

2> They're not trained for it. You want me to be trained for it? Pay for the training. And the weapons. And that training's taking place during the workweek, not on my own time.

3> Oh, right, pay. You're paying me six figures now, right? Since physical security and use of lethal force are now a job requirement? No? Yeah, you're a skinflint asshole and this is about hurting teachers.

4> Having weapons in the schools makes it REAL convenient for an attacker to re-arm. If the bad guy kills the good guy with a gun, then the bad guy has a new gun and the death toll increases. Not to mention getting into the gun safes directly.

5> If cops won't risk confronting shooters, why are we expecting teachers to do it?

Hard to see the "arm the teachers" crowd as being anything but anti-education and hoping they get a lot of teachers killed. There's not a single valid argument to be had, here.

And I say this as a dude who was (briefly, medical release) in the Reserves and worked with weapons in a paramilitary drill/shooting group for several years, traveling internationally to perform. So I'm probably among the best-prepared to make that leap, of my colleagues. And I'm still at a complete "fuck no, and fuck you for even thinking it" about the idea.

Also, what's to stop a determined student unexpectedly overpowering the teacher and grabbing their gun to start a rampage?

[Captain N]

Also, what's to stop a determined student unexpectedly overpowering the teacher and grabbing their gun to start a rampage?

The brain dead answer I've gotten to that question is that the gun will be secured in a safe located under their desk or in a closet to prevent such a thing. Because we have so much extra money in the public school system to install firearm safes in every classroom in the United States.

[Mihalik]

I was unable to comment as I was on long forum "holiday".

But I really want to point something out that I notice almost everyone else has missed here.

Gun control worked here. Until the one barrier that prevented this rampage was lifted. This guy couldn't borrow his daddy's guns. He had no "black market" connections to buy a gun (let's be honest, can you imagine this awkward little shit stain trying to buy a gun off and actual criminal?). He went on a rampage once the restrictions to access have been lifted. So clearly, the problem here is access.

Also, the whole Good guy with a gun bullshit....even assuming an impecable police response...it wouldn't have prevented the shootings. Maybe some lives would have been saved, but deaths wouldn't have been prevented.

Finally ...to the arm teachers crowd ...funny, there's no money for paying teachers but there's money to buy guns and give them tactical training.

Yes, from now on teachers needn't only be educators (all of whom are untrustworthy Marxists trying to brainwash children into the anti white gay agenda) but also tactical operators, all that on a barely living wage salary. Anything else you want them to do while we're at it?

[Ausr]

The brain dead answer I've gotten to that question is that the gun will be secured in a safe located under their desk or in a closet to prevent such a thing. Because we have so much extra money in the public school system to install firearm safes in every classroom in the United States.

Then they SEVERELY underestimate how smart and clever kids/teens are to figure that shit out if that's the answer.

[Belize]

I'm deeply concerned by this decision of Abbott's. It's literally the best and right thing to do. And he did. Usually he would run the other direction, like pass a law saying it's illegal to help victims and anyone doing so can be turned in for a $10k bounty.

It's pretty simple "21 people, including 19 kids are gunned down while the ThIn BlUe LiNe had their thumbs stuck up each other's asses, followed by a video message to the NRA supporting unlimited guns" is pretty bad this close to an election.

He's desperate for any good publicity.