Why do I need to support the Horde rebuilding Tirisfal as an Alliance player?

[Venziir]

Who da hell is Calia?

Where/when ingame can I learn about that character?

Nowhere?

It doesnt exist then.

She's been canon since pre-WC3 though. And in game since Legion.

[shise]

Who da hell is Calia?

Where/when ingame can I learn about that character?

Nowhere?

It doesnt exist then.

She exists since before World of Warcraft... Go figure, maybe you need to do some research.

[Swnem]

I think the point of the OP is that why are the characters of this fantasy world... like Genn sending you to help the forsaken which are essentially his and his people's mortal enemies.

He is just sending a spy in to help Calia if needed (things could've gone ugly) and report on what is going on. It is not the Hero of the Alliance getting sent in there like a big statement of support. It's the story of a generic no name spy. We are pretending to be them.

[VladlTutushkin]

Undead were once humans of Lordaeron.

They did not decide to become undead, it happened.

When they came full of sadness and love to us, we refused them and called them monsters, we were violent against them.


I don´t think it´s wrong to finally, lend them the help they always deserved.

False. Alliance was not "violent" towards the forsaken. Forsaken started the killing first.

[shise]

False. Alliance was not "violent" towards the forsaken. Forsaken started the killing first.

Ewh no... When the first Forsaken reached out to their old families, they literally got threatened away. Even when they stated who they were.

The Forsaken didn´t do any killing, they simply wanted to join the humans back. More modern times are another thing and then they had all the right.

After a while, humans knew what the Forsaken were, and they still deemed them as monsters.

[Accendor]

We delivered a Fatescribe to the Jailer, delivered the Primus' sigil to the Jailer, delivered Xal'atath to N'zoth and then Sylvanas, released Gul'dan . . .

We are powerful morons in service to a plot that has no respect for us. We are just there as cameras for the plot they want to show, with absolutely no respect for our own narrative agency.

And THIS surprises you?

Ok, fair point

[VladlTutushkin]

Ewh no... When the first Forsaken reached out to their old families, they literally got threatened away. Even when they stated who they were.

The Forsaken didn´t do any killing, they simply wanted to join the humans back. More modern times are another thing and then they had all the right.

After a while, humans knew what the Forsaken were, and they still deemed them as monsters.

Forsaken first betrayed Gairthos... and while he was a bastard that does not make it "okay" to slaughter his people too. Lordaeronians by the way.

And them being told to go back to Lordaeron in Stomrwind was no excuse for starting to experiment on humans, torture and commit war crimes.

[Accendor]

Umm.... Yes, it is. You asked for feedback, you got it. It's not our fault you don't like the feedback you got.

And once again I think you do not understand what story discussion means...

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I don´t think it´s wrong to finally, lend them the help they always deserved.

Maybe _BEFORE_ they burned down Teldrassil after we already forgave them Theramore.
They generally have earned exactly nothing. On the contrary, if you see all the fucked up shit they are up to (Hi human farms in Silverpine forest e.g.), they should be grateful not to be hunted down for good.
Which is totally ok, I am not complaining about the truce and just living them "live" in peace, but helping them, right now in THIS capacity - just no.

[Lahis]

I have no idea what is going on in the minds of Blizzards story writes, I really do not.
It was just one expansion ago that we fought to destroy UC, now we help the forsaken to restore Lordaeron despite nothing has changed in the meantime?

I will not even start with all the other problems the alliance story ONCE AGAIN has and that only seems to be getting worse every single patch, but the whole PREMISE of this questline is so dumb, I ONCE AGAIN can't believe somebody approved it to be released.

Blizzard has realized that there are so little Alliance players that it is just more efficient to only make quests for Horde and give the handful of remaining Alliance players disquises to also do those quests

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Who da hell is Calia?

Where/when ingame can I learn about that character?

Nowhere?

It doesnt exist then.

Priest Order Hall.

[Lahis]

Desolate council was always in favor of working with Alliance, actually.

That was the old council that was slaughtered by Sylvanas. No survivors there.

[Xilurm]

"I decided it's how it is, so it's how it is!"

OK.

Say, when you raid Stormwind and kill faction leader, that canon too? It happened ingame after all, no? You even had quests for it.

I didn't decide anything. You can have your headcanon if you want. Blizzard has stated who is the "winner" for some of the raids. They haven't stated anything for this yet, so until they do, Alliance players helping the Forsaken is canon wether you want it or not.

[Varodoc]

Ewh no... When the first Forsaken reached out to their old families, they literally got threatened away. Even when they stated who they were.

The Forsaken didn´t do any killing, they simply wanted to join the humans back. More modern times are another thing and then they had all the right.

After a while, humans knew what the Forsaken were, and they still deemed them as monsters.

Because they are monsters. They are unnatural. They should not exist.

Look what they did to Gilneas and Southshore.

Azeroth is the world of the living, undead don't belong in it, but that's alright because they are aware of this too. They are just too scared of Hell.

[owbu]

When a war is over nations usually start to normalise their relations. Sometimes a goverment gets replaced (this happened here) or there is some sort of temporal occupation or small bits of lands being exchanged, but as a normal Alliance player who supports Alliance policy, accepting the new Horde Goverment and helping them rebuild is the normal thing that would happen in a situation like that.


You can roleplay as some sort of ultraradical Nationalist, who hates the people of the Horde and refuses to accept the Forsakens claim to Lordaron, and start a protest in Stormwind instead of doing the quests of course. But that's definetely not the current stance of the Alliance goverment and it wouldn't fit with their role in the lore if it was.

[VladlTutushkin]

When a war is over nations usually start to normalise their relations. Sometimes a goverment gets replaced (this happened here) or there is some sort of temporal occupation or small bits of lands being exchanged, but as a normal Alliance player who supports Alliance policy, accepting the new Horde Goverment and helping them rebuild is the normal thing that would happen in a situation like that.


You can roleplay as some sort of ultraradical Nationalist, who hates the people of the Horde and refuses to accept the Forsakens claim to Lordaron, and start a protest in Stormwind instead of doing the quests of course. But that's definetely not the current stance of the Alliance goverment and it wouldn't fit with their role in the lore if it was.

Well its a shit stance. Forsaken done nothing to show that they wont plague and kill more humans, which they DID during an armistice before, in Classic and etc. They were kidnapping, assassinating, raiding, blighting and sabotaging Alliance in EK no matter the situation between the factions.

Why should Alliance help them now?

[Syrah-the-Old-One]

It's fairly simple tbh : placing Calia as head of the Forsaken, because she has close ties to the Alliance, will help make sure another war doesn't come up because of the Forsaken.

So Alliance really could really benefit from her leading the Forsaken, and keeping them at bay. And in order to do so, she must gain the Forsaken's trust by rebuilding their ancestral home (even if most of them already would follow her as the heir of the Menethil line).
Also, it prevents the Forsaken from maybe trying to invade another place for them to settle in.

[LazarusLong]

False. Alliance was not "violent" towards the forsaken. Forsaken started the killing first.

Forsaken tried to send envoys to the Stormwind, but every single one was killed. Only after that they approached Horde. Per Sylvanas novel.

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Well its a shit stance. Forsaken done nothing to show that they wont plague and kill more humans, which they DID during an armistice before, in Classic and etc. They were kidnapping, assassinating, raiding, blighting and sabotaging Alliance in EK no matter the situation between the factions.

Why should Alliance help them now?

Someone did not read Before the storm.

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Ysera suggested Tyrande to take a seed to the Dragon Isles, if you stayed to listen to conversation after the cinematic. She did not specifically name "Dragon Isles", but it was clear enough from the way she addressed that land.

So this will be the next step, especially given Blizzard confirmed that Tyrande is one of the major characters in Dragonflight.

I hope we at least get a breadcrumbs with the pre-expansion, but yeah, the story will probably be resolved in Dragonflight.

[Ealyssa]

I just do not get why I, as an Alliance player, would want to support her?

But nobody actually gives a fuck that you support it or not buddy...

It's not a participative game creation. You are not at any steps asked to participe to the lore's continuation. A game is a cultural product you are free to consume or not. But nobody cares that you don't like its direction really.

Don't like it, don't play it. So no, you don't have to support it at all. Feel free to leave.

[VladlTutushkin]

Forsaken tried to send envoys to the Stormwind, but every single one was killed. Only after that they approached Horde. Per Sylvanas novel.

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Someone did not read Before the storm.

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I hope we at least get a breadcrumbs with the pre-expansion, but yeah, the story will probably be resolved in Dragonflight.

Its you who read it without paying attention.

The envoys were turned back at the gates of Stomrwind, and how they died is still a mystery. Nobody knows if humans killed them or if they got killed by Onyxia or if they ran into a pack of gnolls and got eaten.

Sylvanas just ASSUMED the absolute worst scenario and acted in absolutely worst way.

Its literally a direct reference to her and Jailer situation - he showed her the worst of the afterlife and she chose to act in the worst way possible to "fix" it.

She overreacts, always. Saurfang duel comes to mind too.

[Aydinx2]

"Oh but we'll move out of Gilneas".
Last i looked that place wasn't exactly crawling with Forsaken, thanks for giving us a purely symbolic gift.

In game doesn't reflect what is going on in the lore. Gilneas is lost to the Forsaken.

[loras]

In game doesn't reflect what is going on in the lore. Gilneas is lost to the Forsaken.

Evidently, thing is there has also been stuff that contradicts that. Like the forsaken fleeing to Orgrimmar after the Undercity fell.

That's the problem with deviating from "show, don't tell" in in-game storytelling; it's just not believable.