Should Lordaeron City become neutral? [9.2.5 spoilers]

[Celvira]

Yea true, but dont you think that Gilneas would also just go back to what it was at the end of worgen starting area when we get back? Maybe a few new outposts and new npcs out there.
I really do love the style and small streets and dark alleys. It would be a huge shame if it ends up being some small isle with a couple of tents and buildings and thats it, while in the backround you would still see the big city with clocktower etc. Damn that would be such a cockblock.

They could pull a FFXIV and have the players help rebuild the city in exchange for experience and rewards. For context, one of the regions had their city partially destroyed, so the developers held an event which spanned multiple months rewarding crafting/gathering professions additional experience and event-specific items for donating items to select NPC's. Each tier of reconstruction saw new buildings being added, and eventually the entire ward was rebuilt and converted into a new zone for player housing.

They could theoretically do the same for The Undercity for equality purposes.

[Firefall]

Horde always - it was the Forsaken's home in life and it should be there home in death.

This, why is this hard for people to understand? The people that lived there are now unliving there. The Alliance doesn't have a claim to it, everyone who was there is still there.

[Celvira]

This, why is this hard for people to understand? The people that lived there are now unliving there. The Alliance doesn't have a claim to it, everyone who was there is still there.

Because there are still living, breathing natives who still live within Lordaeron? You know, The Forsaken's fellow friends and family before they became a walking corpse? They still live within Lordaeron and still have a claim to the region as much as The Forsaken do. The caveat is that we can't expect Blizzard to accurately map an entire regions full-population, but based on areas such as Light's Hope Chapel and Hearthglen we can extrapolate that living citizens of Lordaeron are anything but a dying footnote. Also, common villages dotting the landscape wouldn't be as interesting as spooky ghost towns or rampaging monsters, so the rule of cool certainly applied when Blizz developed Lordaeron.

This isn't even considering Gilneans who desperately wish to return home after being expelled by The Forsaken.

[Varodoc]

This, why is this hard for people to understand? The people that lived there are now unliving there. The Alliance doesn't have a claim to it, everyone who was there is still there.

Did you not read my OP? A group of Forsaken have now defected over to the Ren'dorei.

[Tanaria]

Did you not read my OP? A group of Forsaken have now defected over to the Ren'dorei.

What significance do they have over the story when the main bulk of Forsaken are still Horde and are returning to Lordaeron?

The only "Forsaken" who are/were an Alliance race with any sort of relevance were Night Elves and lorewise, they are all still Horde.

[pokcmvmxckm]

The Alliance attacked the city, sure Sylvanas blighted it, but why the hell would the forsaken let the people who sieged their home in? I'm sure Humans with forsaken relatives will be let inside the city but not the players. Besides, I doubt the Night Elves will be letting the Horde into their new city whenever they get that.

[cparle87]

I've got an idea.

New Night Elf City is shared with the Horde.

Sure it would piss off the Alliance / Night Elf fanbase but tough crap

I'd be down with a shared city, kinda like how Dalaran was. Surface has a tree where the elves can live, and its roots go down into the Undercity where the undead live and help purge it of residual poison. Kinda like how Andorhol was in Cata with a Forsaken side, Alliance side, and the old human ruins in between. But not at war.

[Tanaria]

I'd be down with a shared city, kinda like how Dalaran was. Surface has a tree where the elves can live, and its roots go down into the Undercity where the undead live and help purge it of residual poison. Kinda like how Andorhol was in Cata with a Forsaken side, Alliance side, and the old human ruins in between. But not at war.

Or Night Elves just have to live with Tauren, Blood Elves, Darkspear Trolls and Nightborne in their city. Along with the Worgen of course.

[Flatspriest]

The only way Undercity should become neutral is if Teldrassil becomes neutral when it is regrown.

[Skytotem]

I don't understand how people think a floating necropolis and the forsaken are linked.

Those places are Scourge buildings and the Forsaken have never used those sorts of buildings before.
Lordaeron was their home in life and in undeath.

Well only because they didn't have access to them, the Forsaken are pragmatic and have a history (though as the Valkyr and sanlayn have shown, a bad one) of repurposing scourge stuff

[deenman]

Should be aliance and those filthy undead should be put where they belong,in the ground!

Its rly funny if you think about it,in any realistic scenario the horde should have been decimated time and time again,but blizz had to pull out some weird deus ex everytime because of mUh GaMePlAy

[Rendark]

Did you not read my OP? A group of Forsaken have now defected over to the Ren'dorei.

Then they are not forsaken anymore.

[Mysterymask]

Should be aliance and those filthy undead should be put where they belong,in the ground!

Its rly funny if you think about it,in any realistic scenario the horde should have been decimated time and time again,but blizz had to pull out some weird deus ex everytime because of mUh GaMePlAy

Cause telling half your playerbase "oh btw you're dead now change to alliance or play something else" is a real smart sales strategy

[Rhlor]

So as we know, the Void elves will receive Dark Ranger customization options in 9.2.5 This means that, storywise, a portion of Dark Rangers that once served Sylvanas and the Forsaken, have defected to the Alliance. For many years, Horde players denied the Alliance any right to Lordaeron on the basis that all those who stayed to defend Lordaeron were now in the Horde (Forsaken).

However, now the Alliance has a new claim to Lordaeron, thanks to the aforementioned Dark Rangers who have joined the ranks of the Ren'dorei, and will be playable in 9.2.5.

We also know that High King Turalyon seeks to reclaim former holdings of the Alliance, after the success at Stromgarde, and Lordaeron City would count as a former holding (and former capital) of the Alliance.

Is it fair that Lordaeron remains in the hands of the Horde, when a portion of those who died defending it are now in the Alliance? I believe that Calia should simply share Lordaeron with the Alliance, after all it is only fair that those Dark Rangers would have the option to visit Lordaeron, even though they personally aligned more with the Alliance's ideals than the Horde's.

The people who called this land their home in life, do so in death as well. Lordaeron belongs to the Forsaken - always and forever.

if you want to live as an undead in the alliance you can. but lordaeron belongs to the forsakan and only to the forsaken! for the pallid lady

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Did you not read my OP? A group of Forsaken have now defected over to the Ren'dorei.

so they are not forsaken. the forsaken is the name of a faction not of a race, the race so to speak is undead
if you are going to live with the alliance you are no longer a forsaken you are an undead within a faction of the alliance in this case the void elves

[Magical Mudcrab]

Should it? No

This is it, /thread.

I understand why the Alliance thinks they should have access to Lordaeron: it was a city within the Alliance of Lordaeron and was once occupied by humans; however, that doesn't mean the humans of the other kingdoms own the city. The Forsaken are the former citizens of Lordaeron, and it is theirs more than it is anyone else's. Arguably, they did give it up when they decided to blight it, but I don't think the decisions of Sylvanas diminishes their claim to the land.

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Maybe, if the Forsaken got a new city for themselves elsewhere, ideally a floating necropolis type place.

How amazing would it be if the Forsaken got Naxxaramas-style Necropoles to counter the Dranei and Lightforged ships?

[Skytotem]

How amazing would it be if the Forsaken got Naxxaramas-style Necropoles to counter the Dranei and Lightforged ships?

And then Kalimdor Horde could have one that's reverse engineered from Legion crap and powered by elementals instead of souls

And Zandalari could have one that's literally just a troll ziggurat temple that flies on Loa power.

[Dancaris]

Good bait, 3 pages already.
To the topic - right after new NE tree will be horde territory.

[Feanoro]

Cause telling half your playerbase "oh btw you're dead now change to alliance or play something else" is a real smart sales strategy

You mean like telling half your playerbase "oh btw we design everything with Horde in mind, we're totally fine with players forced to go Horde for group play, change to Horde or play something else"?

[cparle87]

Should be aliance and those filthy undead should be put where they belong,in the ground!

Its rly funny if you think about it,in any realistic scenario the horde should have been decimated time and time again,but blizz had to pull out some weird deus ex everytime because of mUh GaMePlAy

Just like the faction you're playing as in SC1 is always the one who wins, until they're not and they get stomped every time. I'm honestly wondering if you're even thinking before you spit vitriol when you realize that having two factions in a multi person game means neither can ever definitively win. While also ignoring the fact that things respawn and you try to apply things like "they should've run out of troops 5 xpacs ago" to a video game.

[Kithelle]

I'd rather have Gilneas back to be honest