Should Lordaeron City become neutral? [9.2.5 spoilers]

[Varodoc]

You sound like you're about to go to court and sue Blizzard over that.

The fact is that Blizzard has decided that in their lore, their game, the Horde alone now owns Tirisfal Glades, once again.

"Sue"? Over what?

Last I checked, the revamped Ruins of Lordaeron don't function as any kind of capital hub. They are not even a quest hub like Lakeshire. If you count them as a city then Telogrus Rift is a city too.

Besides, what Blizzard has decided is irrelevant to my question.

[Trumpcat]

i mean forsaken are literaly lordaeronians, they are the people who lived (and died and lived again) there, surely it belong to them by right...

Exactly and they created the Alliance.

[Iain]

I was hoping for Blizzard to do that, but to Silvermoon instead.

Exactly. So many derelict places that can be refurbished into hangouts for specific covenants. And rather than making them centralized capitals, Blizzard should instead provide several hubs per covenant, some shared, some singular, all across Azeroth. Adding ships, zeppelins and extra fast flight paths between them so players actually start using these places for transit, populating the world again.

[A Chozo]

Naturally, no. It's territory of Lordaeron, it belongs to the Citzens of Lordaeron. Night Elven and Void Elven Dark Rangers have no rights to enter it, since they are Alliance.

[Finlandia WOAT]

Lordaeron belongs to the Forsaken. Now and forever.

[Nymrohd]

Sure, Horde can't force humans to stay there, unless they want another faction war, which seem unlikely. From Alliance PoV, I'd like to see more of gilnean expansion in northern EK for once, since we've been following regular humans for most of time and it's getting really old.

Argent Crusade is neutral organisation which does not have hostile relations with Forsaken. It also have members of other races, thalassians and undead as wrll, so it's not pure human kingdom too.

Sure the Argents have let everyone join. Their core is still people from Lordaeron. Most of their land comes from claims of Lordaeron nobles that either were or still are members.

[Super Dickmann]

Lordaeron belongs to the Forsaken. Simple as.

[Rockefellah]

Night Elves will grow a new world tree from that winter queen seed in the new cinematic, and horde will reclaim undercity. I imagine Lordaeron will get some new aesthetics, and the new Night elf tree will look a lot like Ardenweald.

I hope the new city will be a combination of Upper- and Undercity

[Varodoc]

Lordaeron belongs to the Forsaken. Simple as.

But, shouldn't those rights extend to the Alliance-aligned Forsaken too, who have now joined the ranks of the Ren'dorei? Don't you think Sylvanas' words could be interpreted that way too?






And before you say "No, they are not Forsaken anymore because they defected", actually Before the Storm called the neutral priest Alonsus Faol a "Forsaken", which means that you don't need to be part of the Horde to be a "Forsaken".

[The Stormbringer]

I don't think it should become neutral, but it should have a small neutral area with an Alliance embassy. It only makes sense, given that the Alliance is helping them reclaim the city and one of their new leaders is pretty neutral herself. A place that Alliance can show up to have free and open discussion, with a diplomat there at all times, just fits.

[Super Dickmann]

But, shouldn't those rights extend to the Alliance-aligned Forsaken too, who have now joined the ranks of the Ren'dorei? Don't you think Sylvanas' words could be interpreted that way too?

And before you say "No, they are not Forsaken anymore because they defected", actually Before the Storm called the neutral priest Alonsus Faol a "Forsaken", which means that you don't need to be part of the Horde to be a "Forsaken".

No, Good Queen Calia has removed all lifeoids from the premises. She'll promise to table the motion to allow them on the grounds of Lordaeron Keep around the same time the Forsaken leave their inexplicably reconquered Gilneas, which should be around the time Blizzard pull the plug on the servers.

[Alanar]

Can I say how funny I find it that I was clicking on different Forsaken NPCs in new Brill to be greeted with "For the Banshee Queen!", "Dark Lady watch over you."?

Noticed the same thing. Clearly an oversight and an annoying one as I think its lazy. Even voss says: no more banshee queen in the questline.

[Rozz]

I don't think it should become neutral, but it should have a small neutral area with an Alliance embassy. It only makes sense, given that the Alliance is helping them reclaim the city and one of their new leaders is pretty neutral herself. A place that Alliance can show up to have free and open discussion, with a diplomat there at all times, just fits.

That would honestly just confirm and justify more skepticism towards Calia, who had made an effort to distinguish herself from the Alliance to be seen as herself and not an agent or a crazed like her brother.

If there is an Alliance Embassy it should occur through normal diplomatic means rather than 'Gen sent spies which decided to help you, so we demand audience in your politics'

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But, shouldn't those rights extend to the Alliance-aligned Forsaken too, who have now joined the ranks of the Ren'dorei? Don't you think Sylvanas' words could be interpreted that way too?






And before you say "No, they are not Forsaken anymore because they defected", actually Before the Storm called the neutral priest Alonsus Faol a "Forsaken", which means that you don't need to be part of the Horde to be a "Forsaken".

That is true to an extent. I think the point of Calia's discussion in Maldraxxus is to introduce several ideas. One of those is redefining their 'race' as a more general shared experience of undeath and losing your home in life.

But the Forsaken faction being more open to other types of undead doesn't mean they'll blur the line as a government body. It's far from a neutral faction if they only accept the Horde and other undead willing to work with them and the Horde.

[Alanar]

I also wonder if Calia will push to use plague eaters on other blighted lands, like Gilneas and Southshore.

Gilneas is certainly going to be retaken by the Alliance, it will be possibly a gesture of good will from Forsaken to leave the place and possibly clean it of Blight.

Southshore, however, can be different case. Alliance would like to resettle it I guess. It makes sense, since it is just between Gilneas and recently rebuilded Stromgarde... TBH, I'd really like to see both worgen and Forsaken increase their activities in northern EK, building new settlements and restoring their own old kingdoms.

Let humans stay south in Stormwind.

I havent payed much attention to gilneas in game as of late, are there even npcs there besides a couple at the broken entrance? Calling back troops and use the knowledge of shadowlands as we saw in 9.2.5 I could see faranell also perfect hes craft and might be able to get rid of blight much more efficient, but thats speculation. I think Gilneas is a very well made city and deserves to be given back to the alliance imo.

Southshore is forgettable imo.. couple buildings and a dock that leads to nothing, would that really be worth the hasstle? Why not use more land on Gilneas lands and actually install some docks there and use them. Even kul tiras could help with boats there.

[Lochton]

So as we know, the Void elves will receive Dark Ranger customization options in 9.2.5 This means that, storywise, a portion of Dark Rangers that once served Sylvanas and the Forsaken, have defected to the Alliance. For many years, Horde players denied the Alliance any right to Lordaeron on the basis that all those who stayed to defend Lordaeron were now in the Horde (Forsaken).

However, now the Alliance has a new claim to Lordaeron, thanks to the aforementioned Dark Rangers who have joined the ranks of the Ren'dorei, and will be playable in 9.2.5.

We also know that High King Turalyon seeks to reclaim former holdings of the Alliance, after the success at Stromgarde, and Lordaeron City would count as a former holding (and former capital) of the Alliance.

Is it fair that Lordaeron remains in the hands of the Horde, when a portion of those who died defending it are now in the Alliance? I believe that Calia should simply share Lordaeron with the Alliance, after all it is only fair that those Dark Rangers would have the option to visit Lordaeron, even though they personally aligned more with the Alliance's ideals than the Horde's.

I'd rather see Stratholme rebuilt and together with the Argent Dawn, kept in neutral control for the Humans and Forsaken that wish to still remain together. Without dominating Forsaken building design.

[Rendark]

But, shouldn't those rights extend to the Alliance-aligned Forsaken too, who have now joined the ranks of the Ren'dorei? Don't you think Sylvanas' words could be interpreted that way too?

And before you say "No, they are not Forsaken anymore because they defected", actually Before the Storm called the neutral priest Alonsus Faol a "Forsaken", which means that you don't need to be part of the Horde to be a "Forsaken".

No they are no longer Forsaken. If they wanted to be a part of the Forsaken they wouldn't have joined the alliance.

[Alanar]

That would honestly just confirm and justify more skepticism towards Calia, who had made an effort to distinguish herself from the Alliance to be seen as herself and not an agent or a crazed like her brother.

If there is an Alliance Embassy it should occur through normal diplomatic means rather than 'Gen sent spies which decided to help you, so we demand audience in your politics'

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That is true. I think the point of Calia's discussion in Maldraxxus is to introduce several ideas. One of those is redefining their 'race' as a more general shared experience of undeath and losing your home in life.

But the Forsaken faction being more open to other types of undead doesn't mean they'll blur the line as a government body. It's far from a neutral faction if they only accept the Horde and other undead willing to work with them and the Horde.

The forsaken are literally a collection of multiple undead now and the new councils point is to give those a voice. Thats the whole point of the council, but they are still forsaken and forsaken are part of the horde. Doesnt mean void elves have any say in this...

Stratholme is cool, but it looks like that just a never ending burning city;(

[Ardenaso]

No, it's the other way around; the neutral Lordaeronians in the Argent Crusade should join the Forsaken and be Horde instead

the Forsaken are their people and the Blood Elves were their allies; helping them in case of Alliance attack should be their penance for Garithos' actions towards the Blood Elves

If Egypt fell to a zombie apocalypse, Brazil can't just go there and 'reclaim' it. It's not theirs.

That's how I see Lordaeron. It belongs to Lordaeron citizens even though they are undead

If Mongolia fell to a zombie apocalypse, and as well as Russia's Tuva, Buriyat, Vladivostok and Khabarovsk; Taiwan can go there and reclaim it. It's theirs according to their claims.

[Rozz]

The forsaken are literally a collection of multiple undead now and the new councils point is to give those a voice. Thats the whole point of the council, but they are still forsaken and forsaken are part of the horde. Doesnt mean void elves have any say in this...

Stratholme is cool, but it looks like that just a never ending burning city;(

I edited my comment to make what you said here more clear in my original statement. As a race they're more inclusive but as a faction they're not.

[Ardenaso]

I'd rather see Stratholme rebuilt and together with the Argent Dawn, kept in neutral control for the Humans and Forsaken that wish to still remain together. Without dominating Forsaken building design.

my idea is to make the Argent Dawn/Crusade Lordaeronians become the "Silver Covenant of the Horde" and join the Horde with perhaps Stratholme as a neutral area like the Sunwell whereas Alliance and Horde Paladins could make pilgrimages there like how High Elves and Blood Elves could make pilgrimages in the Sunwell