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No. Lordaeron should remain as is. The Undead returning home means Gilneas can properly return.
Something like this?
I think the Argent Lordaeronians should just join the Horde at this point since the Forsaken are their people, the Blood Elves were their closest allies during the Alliance of Lordaeron days, and Calia Menethil is their royalty and she's Horde
there's also the Blackthorn Bandits who were allies with Sylvanas (well yeah they were possessed but it's within the realm of possibilities that they continued being allies for their best interests; I'd even wager that the human spies of Thrall were the Blackthorns) and they could persuade the Ravenholdt to join them
The Alliance gets the Horde's most popular race. The Horde should get the Alliance's most popular race in return. Alteraci Humans for the Horde!
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I think this would of only been possible if Calia was the made the Queen of Lordaeron. But then you likely would of had fringe humans and Forsaken both rebelling against her on different fronts and core base loyal to her while likely very distrusting on one another. That actually could of been an interesting plot point if properly developed.
I think that Alterak should belong to Horde here, with Andoral and upper half of Silverpine forest. Eastern plaguelands with Hearthglen - neutral with Alliance affinity.
Northern Lordaeron - Horde bridge between forsaken and BE.
Then south part of upper EK - Alliance with small hub in Hummerfall and Raventusk.
A bit more simple an idea, really.
Eastern and Western Plaguelands as they are, managed and protected by the Argent Dawn and Cenarion Circle, offering a unified home within the lands, and Stratholme as the capital. No separation. Argent Dawn stands for protection and Cenarion Circle for the renewal of the lands.
There would not be taken land from others, as we already see the Forsaken work on their lands, and negotiating the opportunity for Gilneas to return and fully claim theirs.
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I doubt it will be explained. Like you said it's almost certainly a case of "Blood elves got something, give it to void elves too.". Although Void Elves have some major skin tones, hair styles and colours that the blood elves do not have. It would be nice for those (without the void tentacles obviously) to go the other way. Instead of hardly seen jewel pieces.
During the third war, especially circa undead campaign, the ironically called alliance of lordaeron, abandoned lordaeron
we're talking about stormwind, stromgarde, kul'tiras, dalaran, alterac. Gilneas L I T E R A L L Y erected a huge wall instead of aiding.
yeah. abandoned.
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nice try, but burning your city (to kill attackers) while rehoming the refugees isn't the same thing.
a pyrrhic victory and abandonment aren't the same at all.
The alliance of lordaeron watched lordaeron suffer. Gilneas put up a wall lmao
wonder why the forsaken are horde? Because the alliance abandoned them.
Quel'thalas was alliance territory too... and they also got abandoned during the third war.
Abandoning allies is kinda what the alliance does.
I think the idea of Undercity being Horde and Lordaeron being neutral would be pretty alright. That being said, the entire questline in 9.2.5 is about Calia being accepted into the Forsaken, so it's pretty squarely owned by the Forsaken at this point.
I kind of assume night elves and void elves getting dark ranger customization is a "coolness over lore accuracy" moment because honestly it doesn't make a whole lot of sense no matter how I look at it. Void elves being dark rangers would be incredibly rare or nonexistent, and night elf dark rangers we know of were a part of the Horde...and I mean, they might have defected but we've never seen any evidence that I can think of.
What I am saying is that she at least evacuated her people (forsaken refugees in orgrimmar) and that the alliance of lordaeron completely ignored lordaeron until the end of the third war.
Sylvanas and the horde forsaken/lordaeron undead will forever have more claim to lordaeron/undercity whatever you want to call it over the stormwind humans that abandoned them during the third war.
GILNEAS BUILT A WALL TO KEEP THEMSELVES SAFE LMAO THEY DID NOT CARE ABOUT LORDAERON
Right.
Dark rangers = not automatically forsaken
Forsaken is the Faction of the playable undead race but also the race.
Most of the Dark rangers are what are called Darkfallen i.e undead elves.
Alonsus Faol is not a forsaken as in the faction(horde), but as in that he is a undead who has will power.(forsaken race) but his also NOT ALLIANCE, he makes that very much clear in the same book that you quoted.
When Nathanos Blightcaller reproached Alonsus for fraternizing with the Alliance High King, Faol claimed he was politically neutral as he was not a member of the Horde, but a simple priest of the Light. He remained in the Undercity for a few days to address any questions or concerns about the Gathering. According to Blightcaller, at one point he suggested that Faol pledge fealty to Sylvanas and the Horde, but the archbishop demurred, saying he preferred "'to serve the Light rather than kings or queens.'"
while there are Living Lorderanians in The Alliance, their actual claim on Undercity is not really worth much, considering that Calia i.e the Heir of the throne of the Last King of Lordaeron is still around. there may be claims but right now, the Alliance is not exactly position to push for those claims
I'm an alliance main player, I don't want the Undercity, I want blizzard to stop stomping on the night elves for a frigging change, because bloody hell right up until fairly recently Alliance is 96% human questlines, 1% dwarfs, 1% Worgen 1% etc etc and that's just counting the main races and not the allied races..because oh boy..
also..Dark rangers HAS NOT CLAIM TO LORDAERON, they are not native to that kingdom, they have never served that kingdom, at all. there might be outliers but the grand scheme of things, no there is no claim from the dark rangers who now serves the Alliance for Lordaeron.
TLDR: Dark rangers has no claim to lordaeron, please read the whole thing before quoting something and please your poll is biased.
nah i'm good. they should update all the cities and honestly start to remove stuff from Stormwind/Orgrimmar once the cities are updated
or Make things more common in other cities. but hey that's a discussion for another day.
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Stormwind was in civil war from the Defias uprising.
Stromgarde was apparently being besieged by trolls, bandits, and ogres. You will note that it is destroyed in WoW and occupied by these monsters.
Kul Tiras was an insular nation that couldn't exactly do much for a mainland country. Nonetheless, Daelin travelled to Kalimdor to look for the Lordaeron survivors which he knew landed there.
Dalaran was literally a city state, what were they supposed to do against an entire kingdom blighted with zombies? Plus, they were literally next to the scourged Lordaeron and had to look after themselves too. If they tried to help Lordaeron City, the Scourge would just attack the undefended Dalaran.
Alterac was already destroyed and occupied by bandits.
Gilneas had left the Alliance after the Second War.
Quel'Thalas literally left the Alliance after the Second War???Quel'thalas was alliance territory too.
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Nope, you're wrong. Sylvanas stated that the Forsaken have a right to Lordaeron by virtue of being its founders and she did not specify that Dark Rangers are excluded from this claim.
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As a disclaimer, I don't think the Alliance has any claim to Lordaeron as it currently stands. The Forsaken are the people of Lordaeron, it's their city and they are the majority of the remaining people of Lordaeron, so it's up to them if they want the Alliance to enter or not.
The Alliance didn't simply "[watch] Lordaeron suffer". Gil'neas had pulled out of the Alliance and constructed the Greymane Wall at the end of the Second War, and Stormgarde pulled out at the same time. This would go on to being one of the worst scenarios that could have occurred as they were the two closest neighbors of Lordaeron, excluding Dalaran.
Regarding Gilneas' gate, it was barred during the Scourging of Lordaeron. When Genn did order troops through the gate (albeit, in fear the wall would break) they were promptly slaughtered by the Scourge and raised into undeath. The only other northern human nation that was not allied with the Alliance, the Kingdom of Stormgarde, was barely able to hold the Scourge back and could not advance. Essentially, the kingdoms were unable to effectively combat the Scourge regardless.
Something else that should be kept in mind is that all of the events in Warcraft 3: Reign of Chaos, which includes the Scourging of Lordaeron, occurred within a year. Moreover, the Scourging of Lordaeron was essentially complete by the time that Archimonde was summoned by Kel'thuzad, and was itself the final nail in the coffin for the northern human kingdoms as Archimonde would go on to destroy Dalaran.
No, the Kingdom of Quel'thalas left the Alliance of Lordaeron after the Second War and before the Third, which was the instigating event which caused the Kingdom of Gilneas and Kingdom of Stromgarde to leave the Alliance. When the Scourging of Lordaeron was underway and Quel'thalas was being attacked, not only was there nothing the Alliance was able to do at that time, as three of the closest kingdoms within the Alliance of Lordaeron had opted to pull out, there was nothing they were obligated to do. It was Quel'thalas that abandoned the Alliance, not the other way around.Quel'thalas was alliance territory too... and they also got abandoned during the third war.
Sylvanas didn't even win the popular vote, she was elected by an indirect election of representatives. #NotMyWarchief