The apparent formula for new classes in WoW

[Teriz]

All abilities are nothing but skins and colours. There's no such thing as an ability that cannot be given to ANY class. Literally. With a smidgen of creativity there are no boundries.

If you don’t care about the theme of given classes, sure. However, it’s rather difficult to put the Monk’s abilities in the Warrior or Rogue class for example, or the Demon Hunter’s abilities in the Rogue or Warlock classes.

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Literally any landmass that demons invaded could have introduced Demon Hunters.

Except literally any landmass doesn’t contain the tomb of Sargeras. That gives it a bit more demonic clout than other landmasses.

And again, having a bunch of dragons in the RTS does not mean Evokers are rooted in it. Evokers are fresh, they're new. They've never been seen or mentioned before. This is an entirely new race and class. You're making another reach to apply one of your points to the class. Every new class has been directly from the RTS, until now.

Deathwing was a hero unit in WC2, and we had playable dragons in WC3, and the Evokers will be using the breath attacks of those dragons. These concepts were expanded upon in HotS, just like the DH was.

Where’s the reach?

[Ielenia]

What the average WoW player consumes is irrelevant to the popularity and clout of the character.

... Are you being serious right now? The average WoW player is irrelevant whether a character is popular? Do you even know what the word "popular" means?

I'm pretty sure Blizzard specifically said that they waited for just the right expansion to release the DH class.

And that in no way, shape or form debunks my argument, or even support yours.

Then why haven't they?

... Because Blizzard chose otherwise? How is that even a question? And before you say anything: Blizzard opting to not give the warlocks the necromancy toolkit in no way shape or form means that it doesn't fit.

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Except literally any landmass doesn’t contain the tomb of Sargeras. That gives it a bit more demonic clout than other landmasses.

The demons could have reopened the Dark Portal and started the invasion through the Blasted Lands.

Or opened a new portal anywhere on Azeroth.

[Teriz]

... Are you being serious right now? The average WoW player is irrelevant whether a character is popular? Do you even know what the word "popular" means?

You were talking about what WoW players consume or purchase. Again, that’s irrelevant because we’re talking about the entire WC franchise which includes WC RTS, WC comics and novels, HS, WoW CCG, WC TTRPG, HotS, etc. not ONLY WoW.

And that in no way, shape or form debunks my argument, or even support yours.

It basically means that Blizzard was specifically waiting for an appropriate expansion to release DHs, and Legion with the Broken Isles fit the bill.

.. Because Blizzard chose otherwise? How is that even a question? And before you say anything: Blizzard opting to not give the warlocks the necromancy toolkit in no way shape or form means that it doesn't fit.

I think Blizzard made it quite clear that Warlocks are a demonic-based class, not a Necromancer-based class.

The demons could have reopened the Dark Portal and started the invasion through the Blasted Lands.

Or opened a new portal anywhere on Azeroth.

Those aren’t new landmasses.

[Therougetitan]

1. Somewhat true however Alexstraza is not an evoker or dracthyr or even has knowledge of them. Tied in the sense of they are both draconic. Obviously there are some ties since some of the armor looks Alexstraza themed however that is likely for appearance since it is mentioned Alexstraza doesn't know they exist until they reawaken.

2. Disagree wholly here. Bronze ended up being part of healing and red is part of dps so it got flipped over. Deep breath mechanic is borrowed from Onyxia as they call it deep breath which is onyxia's iconic ability so it was from WoW they brought that fantasy. Wing buffet is a generic obvious ability for a dragon themed class so it is hard pressed to say that was specifically borrowed from the rts it is just an automatic addition. Only thing that seems to be from HotS is the green seed blooming ability. That could change depending what other abilities they reveal but as it stands now any W3/HOTS influence is minimal.

3. True. Northrend had many elements of the death theme. Broken Isles had fel corruption spaced though out but not just that it had many elven influences which is inherently what demon hunters are tied to. Many themes of the War of the Ancients where Illidan became the first demon hunter also present which of course Illidan is heavily tied to the class so it makes sense.

4. Somewhat true though I'm sure an argument can be made they can force those abilities in somehow like demon hunters could be give a wing buffet or do a deep breath type ability where they fly forward shooting eye beams below.

[Capultro]

Evokers are not interesting.
Warden,necromancer,darkranger…they are needed and they are a lot LG interesting.

Evokers havent any sense,they dont exist, only exist the dragon aspects.and the new raze is ridicoulous and pathetic, another worgen that nobody willplay…

[Teriz]

1. Somewhat true however Alexstraza is not an evoker or dracthyr or even has knowledge of them. Tied in the sense of they are both draconic. Obviously there are some ties since some of the armor looks Alexstraza themed however that is likely for appearance since it is mentioned Alexstraza doesn't know they exist until they reawaken.

Its important to note that Evokers are merely Blizzard's stand in for dragons due to technical limitations. Dracthyr Evokers are essentially playable versions of dragons like Alexstraza or Wrathion, hence why they possess their abilities and have mortal "disguises".

2. Disagree wholly here. Bronze ended up being part of healing and red is part of dps so it got flipped over. Deep breath mechanic is borrowed from Onyxia as they call it deep breath which is onyxia's iconic ability so it was from WoW they brought that fantasy. Wing buffet is a generic obvious ability for a dragon themed class so it is hard pressed to say that was specifically borrowed from the rts it is just an automatic addition. Only thing that seems to be from HotS is the green seed blooming ability. That could change depending what other abilities they reveal but as it stands now any W3/HOTS influence is minimal.

Well not really. In HotS, Alexstraza had some clearly nature-based healing abilities like Abundance and Gift of Life, abilities clearly being utilized in the Preservation spec (which was also the name of one of her abilities). So it wasn't much of a flip, since her abilities like Flame Buffet and Dragon Breath were still fire-based and dealt damage. It's also pretty laughable to completely disregard Wing Buffet even though it comes directly from Alexstraza HotS.

As for other HotS dragon abilities, Brian Holinka already mentioned Blessing of the Bronze being a possible raid cooldown. Blessing of the Bronze comes directly from Chromie HotS, and indicates that there's going to be more abilities pulled from the HotS dragons. We should fully expect abilities from Deathwing HotS as well, especially since Evokers can utilize aerial abilities, opening up the possibility for Deathwing's Dragonflight and Cataclysm abilities.

[Phob]

Still wondering the reason for this thread. Like are you complaining that there may be a formula or what?

[Teriz]

Still wondering the reason for this thread. Like are you complaining that there may be a formula or what?

We can use the formula to make stronger determinations of what the next class will be, especially if we know the general expansion theme.

[draugril]

He also appeared in the CCG, in the TTRPG, in WC comics, and other merchandise. Pandaren were the most requested new race for quite some time, and that's mainly due to the popularity of the character. A class/expansion largely based on his character was inevitable.

Patently false. The most requested race always has been High Elves... at least after it was announced that Blood Elves would be Horde, those Blood Elves being the most popular request before that point.

[Jazzhands]

If you don’t care about the theme of given classes, sure. However, it’s rather difficult to put the Monk’s abilities in the Warrior or Rogue class for example, or the Demon Hunter’s abilities in the Rogue or Warlock classes.

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Except literally any landmass doesn’t contain the tomb of Sargeras. That gives it a bit more demonic clout than other landmasses.



Deathwing was a hero unit in WC2, and we had playable dragons in WC3, and the Evokers will be using the breath attacks of those dragons. These concepts were expanded upon in HotS, just like the DH was.

Where’s the reach?

The tomb gives the Demons a reason to target the land mass, that's it.

And it's a reach because Deathwing and Dragons aren't Evokers. They're a fresh race and class with no connections to the previous games other than being related to dragons. They're rooted in WoW, because that's where they make their first appearance and where we're going to start building their history.

[Syegfryed]

Evoker don't even meet the requirement of the first two, and DH don't fit the third. And no hero class came from hots.

The formula after monk is making something half-asset with just two specs cause they can't think of something

[Phob]

We can use the formula to make stronger determinations of what the next class will be, especially if we know the general expansion theme.

But that's like, idk already known and obvious?

[Chickat]

Let me guess - Tinker do or will somehow fulfill all the supposed requirements.

I mean yeah they do easily. Just because you dislike tinkers doesn't mean they aren't a great candidate for a class.

Im indifferent to them. I could see how they have potential to be cool, but I wont be mad if they never come out.

[Garymorilix]

We can use the formula to make stronger determinations of what the next class will be, especially if we know the general expansion theme.

Okay then, use the formula and tell me what the next class will be. Go ahead.

Bullshit. Ofc classes are relevant to whatever expansion they are tied to.
Nobody knew Evokers were gonna be a reality until it got leaked, because nobody knew we were going to the Dragon Isles. Especially since DF is not hinted anywhere in SL, unlike SL was pretty heavily foreshadowed in BfA in-game.

People have been making classes up for decades now, various types of Dragon Knights / Dragonkin included. In fact, Dark Ranger, Tinker and Dragon Knight are like the top 3 fake-leak classes for the past 3 expansions now. So, again, bullshit.

There is no formula. Blizzard announces something and then we know. Sometimes a week or two earlier depending on where stuff leaks.
I can say with a 100% certainty that you wouldn't be able to guess the theme of the next expansion, let alone the next class (that might be 2-3 expacs away even).

[Maljinwo]

Finally, Techslayers will be a thing

[Teriz]

Patently false. The most requested race always has been High Elves... at least after it was announced that Blood Elves would be Horde, those Blood Elves being the most popular request before that point.

Take it up with Chris Metzen.

[Gaidax]

I can say with a 100% certainty that you wouldn't be able to guess the theme of the next expansion, let alone the next class (that might be 2-3 expacs away even).

Easy just make 10 different threads over the years with various popular picks, have one of them deliver in approximation and then make a big self-fellating thread about how you figured everything out all along.

[Teriz]

The tomb gives the Demons a reason to target the land mass, that's it.

Which also makes it a prime location for a demonic invasion. Sageras' Tomb is a pretty major location of demonic power.

And it's a reach because Deathwing and Dragons aren't Evokers. They're a fresh race and class with no connections to the previous games other than being related to dragons. They're rooted in WoW, because that's where they make their first appearance and where we're going to start building their history.

Blizzard specifically said that Drathyr are dragons. Further, the Evoker class is made up entirely of draconic abilities. Again, why do you think they have visage forms like Deathwing, Alexstraza, Wrathion, etc? Why do you think they have Alexstraza, Chromie, and Deathwing's HotS abilities? They are the playable version of those characters.

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Okay then, use the formula and tell me what the next class will be. Go ahead.

I would need to see story hints of what the next expansion is going to be. However, with that said, we really don't have many options left class-wise. It could very likely be the case that Evokers are the final WoW class.

Bullshit. Ofc classes are relevant to whatever expansion they are tied to.
Nobody knew Evokers were gonna be a reality until it got leaked, because nobody knew we were going to the Dragon Isles. Especially since DF is not hinted anywhere in SL, unlike SL was pretty heavily foreshadowed in BfA in-game.

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...s-Concept-2022

Granted I didn't know they were going to be called Evokers, or what the technical limitations would force their forms to look like, but yeah, it was pretty obvious if there was going to be a draconic class, it was going to be a race/class combination utilizing abilities from the HotS dragons.

[Jazzhands]

Which also makes it a prime location for a demonic invasion. Sageras' Tomb is a pretty major location of demonic power.



Blizzard specifically said that Drathyr are dragons. Further, the Evoker class is made up entirely of draconic abilities. Again, why do you think they have visage forms like Deathwing, Alexstraza, Wrathion, etc? Why do you think they have Alexstraza, Chromie, and Deathwing's HotS abilities? They are the playable version of those characters.

Someone already pointed out your issue. You think that because Demon hunters and Broken Isles are related to the Legion, that Demon hunters and the Broken Isles are also connected. That's not how it works. The Broken Isles have no significance to Demon Hunters other than there were Demons there. Demons are gone, so are the Hunters. They have no actual connection to the land, unlike Monks, DKs, and Evokers.

Drathyr aren't the traditional dragons we've always had. They are, once again, fresh. This is the first time we've gotten something actually new, even if it shares similarities with existing entities. It's a perfect example of Blizzard going outside both the MOBA and RTS to make something we haven't had before.

[draugril]

Take it up with Chris Metzen.

Immaterial. Regardless of them being "technically playbable," they were still the most requested race. And remain so, arguably. Pandaren have been an ever-present request, sure, but they were as polarizing back then as Tinkers are now, if not less popular.