Oh Blizzard, how you have fallen (Diablo Immortal).

[GreenJesus]

This is not even Blizzard's work.. Haha... It is NetEase.. Diablo Immortal is a joke, a cheap project to deploy until Diablo 4.

Blizzard is the one that decided to partner with netease.

[Th3Scourge]

The most depressing part about DI is the fact that Wyatt Cheng said DI has as many resources as D4.

Resources that have gone in to this disgustingly predatory cash grab instead of developing and releasing D4.

It's not like they needed the profits from DI to be able to fund D4. Now we will get either a delayed or diminished D4 product as a result of the re-allocation of resources.

[ek0zu]

I played it for like an hour, maybe a little more and i uninstalled, i don't see why Diablo in 2022 is still relevant.

[Piesor]

Enjoying the game from a casual point of view. Played a few hours in PC and on mobile and definitely having fun for now. Hit lvl30 and dodged every try from Blizzard to get into my wallet.

Why do players even spend so much money to see their gamertags on a leaderboard? Nobody actually gives a fuck. Don't you guys have real lives?

[Elim Garak]

Streamer Quin69 tried PvP yesterday after spending +3k NZD on his character... and went as expected totally obliterating everyone without being killed.
Yeah... imagine being F2P player and trying to climb in PvP ladder, LOL.

Why? It would be better to imagine being Quin69 and having fun you paid for.

[fazaim]

The game has a lot of details and features so they have to slowly unlock them for you as you progress. Otherwise new players would be overwhelmed by all the information.


It's just the game letting you know that an option is available.


-It's not a predatory business model. There's nothing unethical about it.
-Nobody is forced to play and nobody is entitled to their preferred game experience unless they created the game.
-You can experience most of the game for free.
-As far as I know F2P players can still achieve almost all of the same things but at a slower rate.

Why even bother, man... Like, this is complete shit, why defend it by saying smell is matter of preference and opinion. It's just a poo on the floor, mate, keep walking.

[dwarven]

Pretty sure a culture will develop in this game where the P2W people are outcast. Like look at this guy’s gems, oh he’s P2w so it doesn’t count and no one cares.

[Kumorii]

Streamer Quin69 tried PvP yesterday after spending +3k NZD on his character... and went as expected totally obliterating everyone without being killed.
Yeah... imagine being F2P player and trying to climb in PvP ladder, LOL.

This is why the model works. Not because of people playing the game. But people spending money for views or to make a point....
Curious, is Quin69 supporting the shop or not?

In the end by doing this he's supporting it regardless of reasons.

[Dhrizzle]

They could just make a good game and put a price tag. Instead of embracing this ridiculous new way of making games.

F.... This type of games.

I dunno man, I like playing games for free. And you have to remember the primary market for mobile gaming is places like China where many people can't afford to pay upfront.

[Elim Garak]

Pretty sure a culture will develop in this game where the P2W people are outcast. Like look at this guy’s gems, oh he’s P2w so it doesn’t count and no one cares.

No one will care about such nonsense. What usually happens - the clans form around a whale. And if Blizzard makes it right the whale will be able to buy stuff for his clanmates. Which whales love to do because it makes them feel good.

[Nymrohd]

No one will care about such nonsense. What usually happens - the clans form around a whale. And if Blizzard makes it right the whale will be able to buy stuff for his clanmates. Which whales love to do because it makes them feel good.

I don't think you can do that. Trading is through the platinum marketplace, not direct.

[Elim Garak]

I don't think you can do that. Trading is through the platinum marketplace, not direct.

It's like being done in multiple f2p games. it's called a GIFT. Also special clan features for when a whale buys something - the clan mates get a free chest of stuff. The bigger the price tag - the bigger the chest

Come on, it's 2022. We have the technology.

[Mendzia]

Why? It would be better to imagine being Quin69 and having fun you paid for.

This is why the model works. Not because of people playing the game. But people spending money for views or to make a point....
Curious, is Quin69 supporting the shop or not?

In the end by doing this he's supporting it regardless of reasons.

He clearly stated that he is doing it for stream content and pushing the P2W stuff to the limit to see how really bad it is.
Two birds, one stone.

[Lochton]

Blizzard is the one that decided to partner with netease.

Yup.. Kinda forced to if you want in on the Chinese market, to ally with someone that speaks government kiss-ass. They gave the legacy of an amazing IP to be sullied by NetEase. I know some told me, on MMO-C, to give it a chance, but I report what I said at the announcement. It is an insult, a joke, they gave their baby to the abusive babysitter.

[Elim Garak]

He clearly stated that he is doing it for stream content and pushing the P2W stuff to the limit to see how really bad it is.
Two birds, one stone.

Are you saying he didn't have fun? Or that blizzard cares for the motivation behind the revenue increase? I might also bet a horse if I had one - that that stream led to people downloading and playing the game - that's free user acquisition, also some of them might have paid for a starter pack. Big thanks to Quin69!

I wouldn't be surprised if he's working with Blizzard as influencer - doing the outrage PR campaign.

[MoanaLisa]

Pretty sure a culture will develop in this game where the P2W people are outcast. Like look at this guy’s gems, oh he’s P2w so it doesn’t count and no one cares.

It's much more likely that the P2W folk will ignore the F2P players as non-competitive and irrelevant to the game they're engaged in. That will happen rather quickly and if the game holds true to form with other mobile games is already well on the way. Besides if you believe half the people in this thread those that would cast out the P2W people won't be playing the game. Ergo, they have already cast themselves out. And good for them if that's how they feel.

Really, the most interesting thing about this thread is the general ignorance of how big money mobile games actually work. Blizzard's job is to make money. 20 years ago they could do that one way. Today they must do it another way if they wish to compete in the mobile market. They won't have any success charging $39.99 or more for a no-store title. That market just doesn't work that way.

It's sort of striking that there is this belief that Blizzard will do what's best for players instead of what's best for Blizzard. Y'all have been taken in if you believe that. Blizzard has always done what they judge to be best for Blizzard. How that works out for players changes over time. The truly funny thing about this is that D:I players can likely stay in an upper tier of players for around $15-$20 a month.

Make a budget, stick to it, spend $15/month ($.99 cents every other day) on boosts or whatever from the store and you're likely to do OK. Really it's not so different from WoW.

[Mendzia]

Are you saying he didn't have fun? Or that blizzard cares for the motivation behind the revenue increase?

I dunno if hes having fun.
Do not ask me that.
It is probably middle ground: from one side it is so sad how P2W this game is and from other side having ridiculously OP character due $$ and oneshotting people that can be fun i guess?...
He also said he will make YT video with his thoughts pretty soon so we will know.

I might also bet a horse if I had one - that that stream led to people downloading and playing the game - that's free user acquisition, also some of them might have paid for a starter pack. Big thanks to Quin69!

You clearly do not know his content then.
It is more like 'investment' as he has +20k viewers daily now.
It is similar to YT people buying new cars... and then destoying it and uploading video from that to get even more money from views.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's working with Blizzard as influencer - doing the outrage PR campaign.

He is definitely not as he said many times that PoE is much better than anything related to Diablo now.

[Elim Garak]

I dunno if hes having fun.
Do not ask me that.
It is probably middle ground: from one side it is so sad how P2W this game is and from other side having ridiculously OP character due $$ and oneshotting people that can be fun i guess?...
He also said he will make YT video with his thoughts pretty soon so we will know.

Obviously. More views, more money for him. I guarantee you he didn't lose any money paying to win. In fact he probably made bank.

You clearly do not know his content then.

I don't even know who he is. And I don't need to.
The Youtuber business model is not a secret.

It is more like 'investment' as he has +20k viewers daily now.

Yeah, it's a business.

It is similar to YT people buying new cars... and then destoying it and uploading video from that to get even more money from views.

Yeah, and they are not LOSING ANY MONEY DOING IT.

He is definitely not as he said many times that PoE is much better than anything related to Diablo now.

Haha. It's ironic how Blizzard is slammed for doing anything for money. But a youtuber doing the same thing is a trusted individual.

[GreenJesus]

I dunno man, I like playing games for free. And you have to remember the primary market for mobile gaming is places like China where many people can't afford to pay upfront.

Cant afford to pay up front, but will pay hundreds of dollars to casino roll for a 2D jpeg in Grand Line or Fate GO? How does that make any sense?

Regarding streamers whaling, it does shine a light on the issue. Asmon did a fully pumped 10 legendary crest run he bought with money and then a F2P no crest run. The p2W run had 10 legendaries drop... the f2p run had a single blue item drop.. it is good to be able to show people the glaring difference in game play. However some of these streamers are clearly just doing it for farming stream content and more reddit posts on LSF to argue with.

[Kumorii]

He clearly stated that he is doing it for stream content and pushing the P2W stuff to the limit to see how really bad it is.
Two birds, one stone.

Not really two birds in one stone then. Because it supports the model.
In fact I would argue streamers doing this over and over and over again is why it becomes more and more egregious. Players watching them and donating then to spend money on this helps as well.

If you want this model to be gone, you only have to ignore the shop and also ignore streamers who try to profit over buying shit from the store.

Buying from it to prove that it's bad is like you buying an overpriced house to prove its overpriced. You just bought it, so clearly it's not the wrong price.
Clearly the store isn't bad, since he paid for it. I don't think developers care if people pay to prove a point, only that they pay.


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I have to point out though... the quality of armors and the high detail on it is crazy for being a mobile game. It's much better than D3.