A new raid tier releases once every 9 months and comes with a dozen bosses. FFXIV raid tiers comes out once every 6 months and only contain 4 bosses. If you include trials then that is about 1-2 additional bosses. So with WoW you have a dozen bosses that are current for 9 months, vs FFXIV's 4-6 bosses that are current for 6 months.
I find FF14s encounters far more imaginative and immersive than WoW, which often ends up as a battle of picking the right weakauras and paying almost no attention to the actual battlefield.
Yeah I super love when someone else makes a mistake so I die and spend 8 minutes staring at the ground waiting for this epic "war of attrition" to end in the same failure it does 99.9% of the time. What an epic experience.
- FFXIV fights have hard enrages on a timer, and if any player botches a mechanic once, they get one shotted and/or their damage is severely debuffed, meaning that the group decides to wipe right then and there and start over. Rather than an exciting WoW fight where the team uses their tools to manage a steadily declining situation and win the war of attrition, FFXIV progression is about doing a dance over and over again until all 8 players nail every single mechanic for 8-10 minutes.
"stop puting you idiotic liberal words into my mouth"
-ynnady
I'll be entirely honest, if you're only enjoyment is going in and throwing yourself a boss again and again until dead... I'd suggest probably playing Elden Ring or one of the Dark Souls games. that sounds more like you're thing then what 14 has to offer. While you COULD enjoy it for just the raiding, it honestly sounds like you're saying 'but I only like the sausage on my meat lovers pizza, so I'll only eat that'. You're kinda throwing away the rest of the experience.
I'd personally suggest giving the story and the rest at least a chance, in which case you might be surprised. Otherwise, there are is a fair bit of hard raid content that you'd likely enjoy, but as I said, it would likely be better to go with a different game.
To be fair, it's Val. He is kinda well known as someone who kinda is always talking bad about 14, despite it seemingly be where he talks the most and being well versed in it. It's kinda better just to treat him as shouting into space and move on.
Yes you can enjoy it
If you are looking for a gear threadmill, however, it might not be your thing as gear is not as important in this game
This world don't give us nothing. It be our lot to suffer... and our duty to fight back.
No, I don't consider being habituated into performing tedious daily chores to be a fun video game experience.
You do it once for the spectacle and then never again. Unless you want to farm it every week for a glamour that you have a low chance of rolling for. Aka, wasting your time on arbitrary game design.2. The latest alliance raid
If you enjoy raiding then yes you can do that, but you have fewer current bosses to fight than in WoW and YMMV on the fight design.3. The latest normal/savage raid
If you like FFXIV fight design, then yes this can keep you occupied for a few months until you have the glamours you want. FFXIV does not release ultimates on a regular basis so once you've exhausted them, that's that for a few years.Ultimate raids
Can be fun gimmick content for a short while.Deep dungeons
Hey, if you're into grinding mobs for hundreds of hours on end for transmog, you do you.Eureka/Bozja
Again, in the context of FFXIV this is entry tier raid content. New raiders do them to get their foot in the door and then leave them behind once they are in the actual raids.Extreme trials
There are multiple things to break down here.Crafting
The crafting minigame itself is a little more engaging than most crafting systems in gaming. However, you still have to deal with the tediousness of acquiring materials, which are often locked behind an arbitrary timer meant to habituate you into wasting your time each day every day on a video game. Wasting time on a videogame ≠ having fun, especially when you could be spending that time on a different game that gives you far more fun in a shorter amount of time. You can game the auction house trying to make enough money to buy and decorate a house (actually obtaining one is unlikely, though, given how awful the housing system is), but I can't be bothered to waste the limited hours of my life doing so and certainly wouldn't recommend that other people do the same.
How is this fun?9. Collecting
Some of the minigames are pretty fun to do in small bursts but is not an enduring endgame.10. Gold saucer
Gets stale very quickly. Does not have the breadth of depth of WoW or GW2 PvP.11. Crystalline conflict
Frontline is a chaotic, 24 vs 24 vs 24 zerg fest where melee die within seconds in a mosh pit and ranged spam attacks into whatever blob is in front of you. There is no coordination here like in WoW BGs or in GW2's WvW wars.12. Other PvP
Being habituated into wasting your life doing tedious chores every day is not healthy. The actual storylines themselves are meh.13. Tribe reps
Again, grinding mobs for dozens to hundreds of hours for arbitrary rewards.14. FATEs
It isn't that there is nothing to do. It is that there is very little meaningful things to do that are worth spending your limited free time doing, when you could be playing a different game, reading a book, building model ships, selfpublishing books, learning how to play music, spending time with your family, or literally anything else, and get more fun out of it.Yeah, nothing whatsoever to do.
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No WoW raider is going to consider LFR a form of content they're interested in.
Given FFXIV's track record on keeping to its promises lately, we shall see if that actually happens.And two are coming out in Endwalker.
I would not recommend being habituated into wasting your time doing tedious chores chasing imaginary number upgrades.
Really? That was the opposite of my experience.
"I don't like it so its not content"
"I don't like it so its not content"You do it once for the spectacle and then never again. Unless you want to farm it every week for a glamour that you have a low chance of rolling for. Aka, wasting your time on arbitrary game design.
Some of us like having smaller, more frequent raids to do.If you enjoy raiding then yes you can do that, but you have fewer current bosses to fight than in WoW and YMMV on the fight design.
A lot of people get a lot of mileage out of doing them on multiple jobs,a nd progressing them is hundreds of hours for most people.If you like FFXIV fight design, then yes this can keep you occupied for a few months until you have the glamours you want. FFXIV does not release ultimates on a regular basis so once you've exhausted them, that's that for a few years.
"I don't like it so its not content"Can be fun gimmick content for a short while.
"I don't like it so its not content"Hey, if you're into grinding mobs for hundreds of hours on end for transmog, you do you.
It's still content.Again, in the context of FFXIV this is entry tier raid content. New raiders do them to get their foot in the door and then leave them behind once they are in the actual raids.
"I don't like it so its not content"There are multiple things to break down here.
The crafting minigame itself is a little more engaging than most crafting systems in gaming. However, you still have to deal with the tediousness of acquiring materials, which are often locked behind an arbitrary timer meant to habituate you into wasting your time each day every day on a video game. Wasting time on a videogame ≠ having fun, especially when you could be spending that time on a different game that gives you far more fun in a shorter amount of time. You can game the auction house trying to make enough money to buy and decorate a house (actually obtaining one is unlikely, though, given how awful the housing system is), but I can't be bothered to waste the limited hours of my life doing so and certainly wouldn't recommend that other people do the same.
"I don't like it so its not content"How is this fun?
"I don't like it so its not content"Some of the minigames are pretty fun to do in small bursts but is not an enduring endgame.[/QUOTE}
"I don't like it so its not content"
"I don't like it so its not content"Gets stale very quickly. Does not have the breadth of depth of WoW or GW2 PvP.
"I don't like it so its not content"Frontline is a chaotic, 24 vs 24 vs 24 zerg fest where melee die within seconds in a mosh pit and ranged spam attacks into whatever blob is in front of you. There is no coordination here like in WoW BGs or in GW2's WvW wars.
QUOTE]Being habituated into wasting your life doing tedious chores every day is not healthy. The actual storylines themselves are meh.
"I don't like it so its not content"Again, grinding mobs for dozens to hundreds of hours for arbitrary rewards.
"I don't like it so its not content"It isn't that there is nothing to do. It is that there is very little meaningful things to do that are worth spending your limited free time doing, when you could be playing a different game, reading a book, building model ships, selfpublishing books, learning how to play music, spending time with your family, or literally anything else, and get more fun out of it.
Notice a running theme here? You know, there are a lot of things I don't like either. For example, I don't like football, but wouldn't it be super weird for me to hang around football forums telling everyone why football sucks and baseball is better?
"stop puting you idiotic liberal words into my mouth"
-ynnady
This is how you know that this poster is being dishonest and just defending one game over the other. This whole, "addons just beat the boss for you!" nonsense of a meme.
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This is all off-topic, though. So stop dragging it into a thread where the OP wants to know opinions on whether or not they'll enjoy it as a endgame raiding game.
oh yeah,these wow addons trivialize those encounters so much,its why everyone clears mythic week 1 so easy and fast /facepalm
this addons meme is so funny,yeah some of them are strong,but the worst addons were broken years ago,time to get up to date
also no addon is gonna beat the boss for you,the days of lines showing you where to stand like in wod are gone,and ironicaly EVEN THEN PEOPLE FAILED
Almost everyone I play FF14 with is a former WoW raider. All of them love alliance raids, in particular the newest one. Given the way you post this may be shocking, but you don't speak for everyone else.
You mean its awesome record on player engagement?Given FFXIV's track record on keeping to its promises lately, we shall see if that actually happens.
Yes, really, and that opinion is shared by all the former wow raiders I play FF14 with. All of us were very exhausted with playing the UI rather than playing the fight. We were all exhausted with weakauaras being more important than playing the game well. We were all exhausted with needless gear walls that prevent us from completing content. We were all exhausted with a raid model that expected us to run the same raid 50 times on multiple difficulties.Really? That was the opposite of my experience.
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The people that do clear mythic first have full time add-on programmers on their teams in order to get them ahead. It's pathetic.
Oh, so that's why the world firsts are working with full time add-on developers.this addons meme is so funny,yeah some of them are strong,but the worst addons were broken years ago,time to get up to date
Cool.also no addon is gonna beat the boss for you,the days of lines showing you where to stand like in wod are gone,and ironicaly EVEN THEN PEOPLE FAILED
"stop puting you idiotic liberal words into my mouth"
-ynnady
Ignore all the off-topic nonsense from the people more interested in "my game is better than your game" squabbles.
You absolutely can enjoy XIV as purely a raiding game, but it'll be a...lets say shorter game than WoW in that regard. You'll get your gear faster, and the main endgame raiding content will have fewer bosses.
Are those bosses fun? Yep, they can be. Challenging? Yes, for sure. So if you think you'd enjoy a game that spares you all the nonsense like Covenants and various forms of borrower power grinds, then XIV may be a great choice to try out.
It's a good thing I never said that then.
If someone asks the difference between wow and ff14 raiding, the function of addons is incredibly important to the difference.This is all off-topic, though. So stop dragging it into a thread where the OP wants to know opinions on whether or not they'll enjoy it as a endgame raiding game.
"stop puting you idiotic liberal words into my mouth"
-ynnady
The most difficult thing to do is accept that there is nothing wrong with things you don't like and accept that people can like things you don't.
You have to unlock everything through the Main Story questline, so you'll be slogging through that though I believe you can pay to skip all that.
I go in with a group of 20-ish players per week (PF the last spots if necessary) and it's just constant goofing off (rescuing tanks getting tankbustered into a group, etc) because it's not at all challenging. They are fun but when I hear someone asking about "endgame" it's typically regarding difficult content. Which basically is Extremes/Savage/Ultimate. Not the 24 mans. However they do give that nice upgrade coin that's can get your gear up to savage-level.
The nice thing about ffxiv compared to wow is you can run pretty much every previous "endgame" content at the original level even with item level restrictions in place. So while the current content is 4 savage fights + 3 extremes (strong case for endsinger being the only relevant one) you effectively have all the savages and extremes from 5 expansions' worth of content available.
"stop puting you idiotic liberal words into my mouth"
-ynnady