Oh Blizzard, how you have fallen (Diablo Immortal).

[rhorle]

Look I wont disagree with you that me detesting them on a forum is pointless.

So move on then. Why surround yourself with things about a company you detest? It is amusing how some of those complaining the loudest about the predatory addictiveness of DI are themselves addicted to hating on Blizzard.

[RobertoCarlos]

Not the same?

Okay... I'm not convinced. They are providing a platform, you are log in to a server, you gain access to the resource.

Both require same technology.

So tell me - why does Netflix cost or how should Blizzard earn money in this case?

Ok ill try run with your analogy.

Firstly one is a sub cost that provides entertainment and some of that entertainment is exclusive to netflix such as stranger things, queens gambit etc.

The other is a mobile game that is free to play via download on a mobile or PC.

Right away diablo sounds like its ahead right because its free entertainment? I can't disagree with that logic.

The problem arises when I like said entertainment and I cant go any further other than throwing LUDICROUS amounts of money at it because its designed that way BECAUSE its free to play. Id rather pay a flat out price or a sub to gain access to unlimited content and not be gated by casino slots. Ya feel me

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So move on then. Why surround yourself with things about a company you detest? It is amusing how some of those complaining the loudest about the predatory addictiveness of DI are themselves addicted to hating on Blizzard.

Because diablo is easily one of the my favouite IP's of all time and i want to still be semi optimistic for d4 I guess even though everything points to it being a shit show.

Shame on me for having hope still i guess

[HansOlo]

Ok ill try run with your analogy.

Firstly one is a sub cost that provides entertainment and some of that entertainment is exclusive to netflix such as stranger things, queens gambit etc.

The other is a mobile game that is free to play via download on a mobile or PC.

Right away diablo sounds like its ahead right because its free entertainment? I can't disagree with that logic.

The problem arises when I like said entertainment and I cant go any further other than throwing LUDICROUS amounts of money at it because its designed that way BECAUSE its free to play. Id rather pay a flat out price or a sub to gain access to unlimited content and not be gated by casino slots. Ya feel me

1 whale pays 100 people. If that's so - they should squeezed the crap out of people. Good for them - they know how to run buisness.

They did do thier market research and they decided that they can charge this much. Good for them.

[Drudi]

As someone that has been playing Diablo Immortal for free and has not spent even a single penny on it, I'm going to have to disagree with you on basically your entire post. I have also played PoE for free and also enjoyed that game, also without ever spending a single penny. There is nothing in the game that "literally forces you to spend money." That would be called theft. It is entirely up to the player and their self-control whether they spend or not, Blizzard is quite literally incapable of forcing you or anyone else to spend money, at least not without massive lawsuits. Your enjoyment of the game isn't dictated by the cost. Many pay-to-play games are massively unfun, while many free-to-play, pay-for-cosmetic games are massively fun. If YOU are unable to enjoy the game without spending money, that is entirely a YOU problem. Again I want to make it clear, I agree that Diablo Immortal is heavy-handed on the monetization, but at no point does it "force" you to spend money on it.

No reason to argue with you since you’re not informed, as your opinion on Poe shows. You can START the game for free. But once you get to the endgame - mapping - you are either buying inventory slots or slowing your progress by dedicating 90% of your time to inventory management.
And no, this is not playing, because you obviously can’t enjoy the game this way.

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No? You don't buy mobile games(atleast not the major ones). But you buy the fun part. That is the design philosophy. Very simple - been around for last 2000 years since the first gamble got introduced.

No problem here with paying for the fun. But then stop calling the game free, as it’s not free anymore

[RobertoCarlos]

1 whale pays 100 people. If that's so - they should squeezed the crap out of people. Good for them - they know how to run buisness.

They did do thier market research and they decided that they can charge this much. Good for them.

"Good for them"

While the industry goes down the drain pipe?

No thanks.

[Elim Garak]

No problem here with paying for the fun. But then stop calling the game free, as it’s not free anymore

You decide if it's free or not. You have that choice.
But you cannot seriously expect to have free games like PoE without end-game monetization. And you will not have a game like PoE if it had a box price only.

[RobertoCarlos]

Gotta love how people always use path of exile as their example because its probably the best example of free to play on the market.

So naturally that means its the same as D:immortal or clash of clans.

[korijenkins]

"Good for them"

While the industry goes down the drain pipe?

No thanks.

Free market capitalists love the idea of others making money at their expense, don't chastise him!

[RobertoCarlos]

Free market capitalists love the idea of others making money at their expense, don't chastise him!

That money trickles down right?

All those whales being exploited means we get even more content and games right?

It doesnt just go to shareholders and top executives pockets in bonuses!!! that would be crazy!

[Nymrohd]

That money trickles down right?

All those whales being exploited means we get even more content and games right?

It doesnt just go to shareholders and top executives pockets in bonuses!!! that would be crazy!

I mean, the f2p games would not exist if not for the whales. Other games may well exist in their place (potentially better games).

[Dhrizzle]

The problem arises when I like said entertainment and I cant go any further other than throwing LUDICROUS amounts of money at it because its designed that way BECAUSE its free to play. Id rather pay a flat out price or a sub to gain access to unlimited content and not be gated by casino slots. Ya feel me

Because diablo is easily one of the my favouite IP's of all time and i want to still be semi optimistic for d4 I guess even though everything points to it being a shit show.

How many hours do you reckon you've played so far? I'm guessing you've finished the campaign, completed grinding the sets for a couple of builds, maxed out the lower level gems and hit paragon 30ish?

As you've done all that for free doesn't it seem worthwhile to drop a few quid on on of the bundles, or just quit now and enjoy that you have had an awesome time for free?

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That money trickles down right?

All those whales being exploited means we get even more content and games right?

It doesnt just go to shareholders and top executives pockets in bonuses!!! that would be crazy!

I think you're trying to be sarcastic but I've had many, many hours of free entertainment because other players have foot the bill.

[Elim Garak]

Free market capitalists love the idea of others making money at their expense, don't chastise him!

Making money at someone else's expense is literally stealing or slavery. While capitalism is about trade and exchange of services for money.
You get fun for money out of games.

[Nymrohd]

How many hours do you reckon you've played so far? I'm guessing you've finished the campaign, completed grinding the sets for a couple of builds, maxed out the lower level gems and hit paragon 30ish?

As you've done all that for free doesn't it seem worthwhile to drop a few quid on on of the bundles, or just quit now and enjoy that you have had an awesome time for free?

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I think you're trying to be sarcastic but I've had many, many hours of free entertainment because other players have foot the bill.

I mean you cannot have possibly completed the sets for any builds since set rings only drop at Hell IV.

[RobertoCarlos]

I mean, the f2p games would not exist if not for the whales. Other games may well exist in their place (potentially better games).

100% we would have better games if they didnt spend said time focusing on practices that get their games banned in certain countries and were promoted as "free to play" when "free to play" means " a level we deem appropriate for free to play before we gate you"

[Nymrohd]

100% we would have better games if they didnt spend said time focusing on practices that get their games banned in certain countries and were promoted as "free to play" when "free to play" means " a level we deem appropriate for free to play before we gate you"

See I've played a lot of DI in the last couple of weeks and I have not really felt gated. The only time I ever felt at a disadvantage was yesterday because the Cycle reset and all the whales were back at Bronze 5 climbing their BG ranks. Everywhere else I've managed to keep up. The only real gate is CR.

[RobertoCarlos]

See I've played a lot of DI in the last couple of weeks and I have not really felt gated. The only time I ever felt at a disadvantage was yesterday because the Cycle reset and all the whales were back at Bronze 5 climbing their BG ranks. Everywhere else I've managed to keep up. The only real gate is CR.

How long has the game been out?

The entire system is designed for whales to race ahead through hell paragon levels.

When you're hitting the next level of hell/loot that will already be 1month+ too late.

That isnt in the spirit of gaming yet we have fiend after fiend defending this shit.

[Nymrohd]

How long has the game been out?

The entire system is designed for whales to race ahead through hell paragon levels.

When you're hitting the next level of hell/loot that will already be 1month+ too late.

That isnt in the spirit of gaming yet we have fiend after fiend defending this shit.

I don't think people are getting that far ahead in paragon levels. I am keeping up with my server's paragon level (40) and I think I've seen people in the high 40s

Also, what is "The spirit of gaming"? Who defined it, Santa Claus?

[RobertoCarlos]

I don't think people are getting that far ahead in paragon levels. I am keeping up with my server's paragon level (40) and I think I've seen people in the high 40s

Also, what is "The spirit of gaming"? Who defined it, Santa Claus?

Effort/skill determined your success, Not the threshold on your credit card limit.

But yeah santa claus. Thats the same.

[Nymrohd]

Effort/skill determined your success, Not the threshold on your credit card limit.

But yeah santa claus. Thats the same.

Yeah I don't get this obsession some people have with meritocracy in gaming. It's entertainment, not a sport. Maybe because we grew up on different games.

[RobertoCarlos]

Yeah I don't get this obsession some people have with meritocracy in gaming. It's entertainment, not a sport. Maybe because we grew up on different games.

Or maybe some people got used to video gaming actually being a product you brought outright and it wasnt a live service that also acted as a gambling vice.

Maybe.

But anyway you seem to have an agenda on this, so tell it to someone who still gives a shit and doesnt see past your fake shit for what it is.