No? Not at all, really. They're still dracthyr, after all. Even in visage form, they're quite visually draconic. I don't think there's really anything odd or silly about them still doing draconic things such as breath magic and the like, in a form that might not be their true form, but is still quite visually draconic.
Luckily, you're not the one who decides that. And considering Blizzard already mentioned they're considering that idea, seems you're on the wrong side of the argument here.
On top of that, again, my argument still stands: you don't need to be in salamander form to cast spells.
Neither are you, and, as I mentioned above, Blizzard has already mentioned they're considering the idea of letting dracthyr players fight in visage form, so.... yeah.Well thankfully you're not in control of class design for the DE.
Because they choose to, not because they have to.
It's kind of ironic that Danuser wrote the Visage Day short story, which is actually a pretty touching story about finding and celebrating your unique identity. And then they go on to shoehorn everyone into a very narrow representation of what Dragons are 'supposed to look like'.
I never insinuated that I wanted to be. Personally, I don't care. I would more than likely be someone who sticks mostly to true form in combat and visage form for stuff like RP. All I'm saying is that if Blizzard did want to explore the possibility of letting dracthyr evokers fight in their visage form (which they do; that's not my take) then I don't really see why they couldn't.
And per usual you misinterpreted their meaning. That said, if you honestly believe Blizzard is going to have the dracthyr in Visage form during combat on any significant level that’s your business.
And again, they’re not casting spells. Hence the charging mechanic.On top of that, again, my argument still stands: you don't need to be in salamander form to cast spells.
Again, you’re free to believe that….Neither are you, and, as I mentioned above, Blizzard has already mentioned they're considering the idea of letting dracthyr players fight in visage form, so.... yeah.
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That’s pretty much what’s going to be happening.
I would say they’re not because it’s quite clear where their design is headed. Unfortunately people stick to a throwaway line that Ion stated to avoid undermining their design, instead of looking at the actual design philosophy of the race/class. In short, having the Dracthyr fight in visage form undermines the entire concept behind the race and the class. I don’t see any scenario where what people are describing here takes place.All I'm saying is that if Blizzard did want to explore the possibility of letting dracthyr evokers fight in their visage form (which they do; that's not my take) then I don't really see why they couldn't.
And thank goodness for that.
How can "But we're looking to find ways to work humanoid form into combat" be interpreted in any way than "we're considering the idea of allowing you to fight in visage form"? There's no misinterpretation here, PR speech or not.
Tell me: if I'm misinterpreting their words, what is the correct interpretation?
Except... they are casting spells. Charging or not is irrelevant.And again, they’re not casting spells. Hence the charging mechanic.
It's not about belief. It's what they said. Funny how Blizzard interviews are "the word of god" for you, but suddenly when they go against your narrative, they're no longer to be believed?Again, you’re free to believe that….
"They're looking to find ways to do something" is hardly a confirmation, because if they never find it, they can simply say "we looked, and we couldn't find a way to do it".
Breathing fire/magic out of your mouth isn't casting a spell.Except... they are casting spells. Charging or not is irrelevant.
There's a difference a difference between a single throwaway comment, and a race/class that is clearly following the mentioned design goal.It's not about belief. It's what they said. Funny how Blizzard interviews are "the word of god" for you, but suddenly when they go against your narrative, they're no longer to be believed?
For someone who was absolutely certain that blizzard would 100% find a way to “fix every issue with playing a large quadrupedal dragon like Alexstraza or Wrathion” instead of a humanoid dragonkin race…you surely have a hard time seeing how easy it would be to have the Dracthyr fight in visage form.
Animations for all the breaths already exist in all current races. (Directed breaths = monk breath of fire. Pyre AoE breath = battle roar)
Arguably even the flying while in combat can be done in visage form, as we’ve already had animated wings for our characters that even put us in a ‘levitate’ animation. (Cata legendary daggers, wrathion trinket, etc)
Only spells I see that’re issues are the Onyxia bombing run spell, and the racial tail swipe/wing gust.
If it were to be 100% visage only, tail swipe could just be a stomp, wing gust could use the animated wings mentioned above.
Could have a DH eye beam style temporary shift for the Onyxia style bombing run.
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Honestly the only legitimate issue I’d see with fighting in visage form would be if the code is taken directly from Worgen…
Because then they’d have to change it up a bit to make it so you wouldn’t shift in combat, but I don’t know the actual code so I don’t know if it’s as simple as removing “if (in combat){turn into worgen/dracthyr ();}” or if it’s going to be spaghetti code that’d break the game like the TF2 coconut jpg if removed.
And they did fix that issue, by simply standing them on their hind legs.
However, in the case of fighting in visage form, that would go against the design goals of the DE.
There’s really no point arguing about this, because it’s not going to happen. Refer to the gifs I posted above. Blizzard has made their design goals with the Dracthyr crystal clear. That design is the player performing all of their combat in dracthyr form. Even the Dracthyr racials back up that design philosophy. If they had any intention of doing what you’re describing above, they wouldn’t be “looking into it”, it would have been implemented into the game a long time ago.Animations for all the breaths already exist in all current races. (Directed breaths = monk breath of fire. Pyre AoE breath = battle roar)
Arguably even the flying while in combat can be done in visage form, as we’ve already had animated wings for our characters that even put us in a ‘levitate’ animation. (Cata legendary daggers, wrathion trinket, etc)
If you want to be an elf or human doing arcane or fire magic and showing off your armor in combat, roll a Mage. If you want to be an elf that constantly switches in and out of a winged form, roll a Demon Hunter.
They’re clearly building something new and different with the Dracthyr Evoker.
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Incorrect.
If it were their design goals that completely 100% restrict them from letting them fight in visage form (for some reason?) then Ion would’ve said so instead of saying they’re looking into making it a thing.
They’ve been no stranger to making it known when feedback differs from design goals.
Throwback to “You think you do but you don’t.”… or their refusal to “pull the ripcord” for covenants until 9.2
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So what you’re saying is that Evoker is only different than mage because of a model?
If I use a toy (like reflecting prism) to make a Dracthyr look like a visage form do they become a mage?
Again this isn’t worth arguing about. It’s already been decided.
There’s a rather large difference between a fire breathing monster and a robed spellcaster. My point is that if someone is looking to be simply an elf casting spells because they miss how their armor looks, the Dracthyr Evoker isn’t the class for them.So what you’re saying is that Evoker is only different than mage because of a model?
If I use a toy (like reflecting prism) to make a Dracthyr look like a visage form they become a mage?
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Refer to the gifs I posted and the multiple quotes from Blizzard in regards to the goals of creating the Dracthyr. It’s not to have you fighting in visage form.
The racials being Wing Buffet and Tail Swipe should be a big clue.
You’re right. It’s been decided that they’re looking into how to make it work.
So it is only the model that differentiates Mage from Evoker according to your logic.There’s a rather large difference between a fire breathing monster and a robed spellcaster.
My point is that if someone is looking to be simply an elf casting spells because they miss how their armor looks, the Dracthyr Evoker isn’t the class for them.
With that logic we might as well get a class based on the faceless ones. Or a naga sea witch class.
The model influences the abilities. Mages don’t have massive wings to blow enemies back, or fly around in combat. Mages aren’t draconic, so they can’t breath magical flame from their mouths. Mages aren’t covered in scales, so they won’t have armor-based abilities based on scales covering their body.
Not even close to what I’m talking about…..With that logic we might as well get a class based on the faceless ones. Or a naga sea witch class.
Honesty my feelings as well. I LOVE the idea of a dragon-like character actually using DRAGON abilities, like breath attacks and what have you, presumably a claw-slash or tail-swipe as well. My concern is that, since they look "too human", it doesn't really check-out why they can't wear armor.
Like... what is the POINT of making them look like scaley-humans?
Is it so they can wear armor? That would make sense, but they can't wear armor. Is it so they can use regular animations? That would also make sense, but no other races can play as their class.
In my opinion, if you're not going to bother having them wear armor, then just go ALL-IN all that, and make it a worthwhile sacrifice. Make them look SUPER draconic. And yeah, an option between standing "upright" on their hind legs, or "hunched" on all fours, would be super cool. And credit where credit is due, I think the actual FACE options of the Dracthyr look pretty good.
But if Blizzard ISN'T willing to make those sort of changes, then I don't really think they have a leg to stand on when it comes to "why can't they wear armor". And if you're going to have all these human-looking animations, then it makes more sense to give them a more permanent Visage-form and just pop into Dragon-form during attacks that demand it.
I think the former is a lot more exciting, but either way is totally valid.
Having said all that, I REALLY hope they let us choose from any race (or at least those native to Azeroth) for our Visage forms. I don't need a bunch of flamboyant scales or hair colors. The horns are kind of cool, but I can even go without those, if it means being able to run around as something like a Dark Iron or maybe a Nightborne.
I also kind of hope that perhaps down the road, maybe we could see a Tank-spec based on the Black Dragonflight, but I have a feeling that's pretty wishful thinking.
So throwing animated wings on a visage form like the cata daggers/wrathion trinket would solve that issue. Or alternatively temporarily shifting into Dracthyr form for those two specific flying related buffs/spells.
There’s nothing saying that a dracthyr (or even an actual dragon) couldn’t breathe fire in visage form.
Oh but shadow priests aren’t huge lovecraftian horrors without a face.Not even close to what I’m talking about…..
Kind of like mages aren’t winged humanoid dragonkin.
Except no one is saying that this is "confirmation that it's going to happen". We're only saying it's a confirmation that the developers are aware of what part of their playerbase wants, and is not against looking for ways to reach a compromise.
Which is the entire point against your claim of "it is what it is and it's not going to change".
Their visage forms don't have mouths now? On top of that, the other race models already have a "fire breathing" animation. See: Breath of FireBreathing fire/magic out of your mouth isn't casting a spell.
No. No, there is absolutely zero difference. It has no difference in weight.There's a difference a difference between a single throwaway comment, and a race/class that is clearly following the mentioned design goal.