Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Gorsameth]

what do you mean 'will not last'. The entire military industrial complex exists for this shit.
A lot of the equipment doesn't even really cost any money because they would be getting made anyway even without a need in order to keep the factories busy and 'retain production expertise'.

[Corvus]

Russian telegraph channels are begging Putin to do something about the HIMARS due to the mass casualties it is causing when Russian positions are wiped out by it.

https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/st...phrv1xysbFG2AA

[Edge-]

Is this shit legit? Is Russia just like, using dumpster trucks as troop transports?

Is this the height of Russian strategy?

https://twitter.com/MoscowTimes/stat...15103131254784

In other news, I guess a bunch of Russian gas industry oligarchs keep "mysteriously" dying?

Let's ask Putin - https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/st...53646389968897

"mysterious circumstances" is the leading cause of death in Russi

Well then, I guess there's nothing to see here and this is all normal.

[Corvus]

Latest comedy from Putin - he says Russia has barely started in earnest in Ukraine and dared the west to try and defeat them on the battlefield.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2118321.html

[Edge-]

Latest comedy from Putin - he says Russia has barely started in Ukraine and dared the west to try and defeat them on the battlefield.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2118321.html

Wait, this one has two tweets!

https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/st...39500480970753

[quote]If West wishes to beat us on the battlefield, let them try but they must be quick as we will probably beat ourselves first[/.quote]

https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/st...39871416721410

If West wants to beat us on battlefield, let them try. Ukraine has already sunk our navy

Do they even have generals left? Or do they still have some obese retired generals waiting on the benches for help to get up. Because they're too fat to stand up on their own now.

[Logwyn]

Latest comedy from Putin - he says Russia has barely started in earnest in Ukraine and dared the west to try and defeat them on the battlefield.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2118321.html

I bet air power alone would be enough.

[ifrah]

Their rhetoric isn't beyond what you'd expect, is it really? You could call that comedy if the result of the play would not be what is happening, but yea, I get the point.
Dumpster trucks for troop transport, big deal really. Same with those beyond obsoleted T-62s there's been in the media. They don't care and here's the key take - they don't need to. They have absolutely zero reason nor concern to care.
What they have on the other hand, is artillery and munitions to keep them churning for quite some time. They tried the actually bit more special operation style in the early stages of the war and failed miserably. Now it's back to the basics they can do and have done before, and that does not require state of the art APCs carrying your elite troops to the lines, nor does it take laser guided bombs fired from n-th generation stealth aircraft. Should have saved the source, but there was an article that unsurprisingly they have stockpiled artillery munitions for several years in preparation for this. Does Ukraine have the tools and manpower to handle this? Hope so, but time is certainly not on their side the slightest.

[Kaleredar]

Their rhetoric isn't beyond what you'd expect, is it really? You could call that comedy if the result of the play would not be what is happening, but yea, I get the point.
Dumpster trucks for troop transport, big deal really. Same with those beyond obsoleted T-62s there's been in the media. They don't care and here's the key take - they don't need to. They have absolutely zero reason nor concern to care.
What they have on the other hand, is artillery and munitions to keep them churning for quite some time. They tried the actually bit more special operation style in the early stages of the war and failed miserably. Now it's back to the basics they can do and have done before, and that does not require state of the art APCs carrying your elite troops to the lines, nor does it take laser guided bombs fired from n-th generation stealth aircraft. Should have saved the source, but there was an article that unsurprisingly they have stockpiled artillery munitions for several years in preparation for this. Does Ukraine have the tools and manpower to handle this? Hope so, but time is certainly not on their side the slightest.

Indiscriminately shelling the crap out of an area to invade a largely abandoned spot seems like a quick way to invade… but not one to actually hold the area, if you don’t have the troops or equipment to actually maintain any sort of hold on the region and the enemy musters a force to push back.

[Iphie]

Latest comedy from Putin - he says Russia has barely started in earnest in Ukraine and dared the west to try and defeat them on the battlefield.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2118321.html

Interesting that he mentions negotiations though. I mean I'm sure it's mainly for show but there might be a kernel of truth in there, I'm not a proponent of Ukraine sacrificing land to russia, but I am realistic enough to know that the starting point probably will be an occupied part of Ukraine, which hopefully can be returned at a later moment.

[ifrah]

Interesting that he mentions negotiations though. I mean I'm sure it's mainly for show but there might be a kernel of truth in there, I'm not a proponent of Ukraine sacrificing land to russia, but I am realistic enough to know that the starting point probably will be an occupied part of Ukraine, which hopefully can be returned at a later moment.

This will not happen by peaceful means ever. Whatever land they may cede, will be ceded forever, considering that starting an aggression towards Russia (or anyone else for whatever it matters) is likely not, nor will be in Ukraine's books.

[Fugus]

Can say this, between the January 6th stuff and the Supreme Court the Republicans have done a lot to make sure Americans and the world are more distracted from Russias stuff.

Like they are trying to cause some much damage that you can’t pay attention to it all at once.

[Corvus]

You can't hold a front line with artillery and even before the war Russia had a lack of infantry. Conscripts went to the infantry while contract soldiers filled specialist roles.

Russian artillery is also very inaccurate so numbers don't tell the full picture. Plus artillery is useless without ammo, and over the last couple of weeks a lot (and I do mean a lot) of very large ammo warehouses have been exploding well behind the Russian lines. It's a nightly occurrence. Now vital rail bridges are also being hit. Without trains able to ship in ammo, the whole supply line breaks down.

- - - Updated - - -

Speaking of, there goes another ammo dump.

https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status...FOyqRxuBruP_XQ

[Dontrike]

Latest comedy from Putin - he says Russia has barely started in earnest in Ukraine and dared the west to try and defeat them on the battlefield.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2118321.html

Haven't they lost like a quarter or a third of their military?

[Corvus]

Haven't they lost like a quarter or a third of their military?

They've got a million men in the military (at least on paper - some have been found not to exist and their commanders pocketing their pay) but most aren't in combat roles. Their actual combat troops probably have taken losses in that range, which is why they are pressganging every male in the occupied Donbas and recruiting out of jails to find the cannon fodder they need.

[Iphie]

This will not happen by peaceful means ever. Whatever land they may cede, will be ceded forever, considering that starting an aggression towards Russia (or anyone else for whatever it matters) is likely not, nor will be in Ukraine's books.

I did not say 'cede', I said 'the starting point will be an occupied part of Ukraine', what that means is that russia is present there and their withdrawal is the subject of negotiation, if Ukraine outright cedes land, which I will only support if Ukraine does that without pressure or threat, then that land will indeed be lost forever.

[Logwyn]

I did not say 'cede', I said 'the starting point will be an occupied part of Ukraine', what that means is that russia is present there and their withdrawal is the subject of negotiation, if Ukraine outright cedes land, which I will only support if Ukraine does that without pressure or threat, then that land will indeed be lost forever.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/07/polit...ntv/index.html
Zelensky came out today saying Ukraine won't give up territory for peace. They are in this for the long haul. I'm still warry this is going to spill over across a border somewhere.

[Gabriel]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/07/polit...ntv/index.html
Zelensky came out today saying Ukraine won't give up territory for peace. They are in this for the long haul. I'm still warry this is going to spill over across a border somewhere.

russia is free to try.

[Belize]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/07/polit...ntv/index.html
Zelensky came out today saying Ukraine won't give up territory for peace. They are in this for the long haul. I'm still warry this is going to spill over across a border somewhere.

It's not in Russia's interested in broadening its warfront with someone else. They're barely hanging on in Ukraine, they don't want to start aggressions somewhere else.

[Iphie]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/07/polit...ntv/index.html
Zelensky came out today saying Ukraine won't give up territory for peace. They are in this for the long haul. I'm still warry this is going to spill over across a border somewhere.

Saw it just a bit back, yeah. I should clarify that I don't think Ukraine will, or should, cede anything just that it is possible to start negotiations from a point where there are still russian troops present om Ukrainian soil. Hope that clears up what I mean.

Also, it is in nobody's interest to have this spill over, especially not in russia's.

[Vladier]

It's not in Russia's interested in broadening its warfront with someone else. They're barely hanging on in Ukraine, they don't want to start aggressions somewhere else.

The question is, are Russia's interests anywhere remotely close to those of Putin and his circle, or maybe even is if Putin and his circle are in position to properly judge Russia's situation regarding its interests. Because I'm not actually sure if Putin is actually that well-informed regarding what is actually happening, given his recent speech about how Russia's not even fought with full might. He might just be emboldened by the taking of Lysychansk and fed on his own propaganda.