Man its nice to see lore I recognise as Warcraft back. So keen.
That last portion, they did that for Vashj so I am almost sure they'll do it for Sabellian. He's already a bit of a supposed afterthought, being from TBC and having very little actual relevance since then. So them thinking of him for this expansion is still very surprising to me. That means, they probably haven't forgotten him being known to the player character, especially the long time player or anyone going through Outland on the Chromie Time.
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I don't know if Blizzard would actually let the players choose who actually leads the Black Dragonflight, but the idea that it would mean mortals simply picking their Aspect in lore is a big assumption in itself. It'd make far more sense for you to build reputation by helping them build influence so they're chosen in the end. In other words, they shouldn't be chosen by the players directly, storywise, but whoever gets the most help from players will end up winning the conflict.
Actually, his dialogue is friendlier towards the Horde back in BC. He considers Rexxar a trusted friend and is relatively nice to the Horde players he sends, but mocks the local Alliance leaders and acts like they're begging for his help. The only Alliance character he comes to respect is you.
There's 5 if you count Galakrond, their leader. Unlike the others, he's already dead, but from what we've seen so far, I suspect he'll return somehow as the main antagonist for the expansion. Judging from previous descriptions, he was probably the Primal Incarnate of Decay, which leaves only Spirit as the unrepresented element.
Sabellian could very much NOT be back any earlier. By moving to Outland, Sabellian and any eggs born there were removed from the influence of the Old Gods. To return before the fall of N'zoth would have simply corrupted him again and doomed the eggs. Unlike Ebyssian and Wrathion he just did not have the luxury of being severed from the whispers. Unlike Wrathion he is a mature dragon capable of strategy; for all the emotional connection players have with Wrathion given we've been around for all his character development, most of his plans have backfired spectacularly. Sure he helped save Azeroth from the old gods but he also helped set up TWO invasions of Azeroth by messing with Draenor (though our character is the one most to blame for the Legion invasion). Meanwhile Ebyssian never was interested in leadership or on the affairs of the planet even though he has been around for ages (and would have been able to take the Earthwarder's mantle during Cataclysm instead of Thrall).
Also I think the Dragonflights would be better off spreading the power instead of investing so much into the Aspects anyway. Sure, have a leader but as a first among equals thing instead of an absolute monarch.
If they left it to a vote from the players it's gonna be Wrathion lol.
1. Do you struggle with the concept of debate? Because this is literally what we were debating. I think they can (based in lore) you think they can't because (????).
2. Yes which is why I phrased it as a hypothetical not a prediction.... If you don't want to argue about a hypothetical then don't engage with hypothetical. I'm not making you reply. You don't want to have "who would win Goku or Superman" discussion, cool. But don't Engage with it then complain it meaningless later on....
I think it was finally safe to leave Outland because N'zoth got killed.
Btw while Sabellian himself did not show up till now, another dragon of Blade's Edge did. Obsidia returned to Azeroth and was said to be the last black broodmother before Alex had us kill her in Cata. I do wonder if Insidion, Rivendark and Furywing will come alongside Sabellian (Furywing could be a new broodmother).
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All the people arguing that it's ridiculous that Mortals would vote on the Black flight's leader, or what we would force them to choose one - wouldn't iot make much more sense for us to just help the one we would want? Approach the dragon you want to help, they beckon us over and "Hey, want to help me with a job or two? I need to look more impressive than [other dragon] and I could use our help with a few little tasks." Then just have whichever dragon had the most quests done in support 'wins'.
The long ignored Albino Dragonflight returns!
Wasn't there something said about them being unstable on Azeroth/away from the Nether energies of Outland? Or did that get retconned somewhere?
Ah, so that idea's less tinfoil. The more I hear about this, the more I feel like Sabby's going to be Horde-sympathetic and Wrathion Alliance-sympathetic. I'm not sure if they're trying to explicitly divide the support of the Black Dragonflight (perhaps it will allow the Dracthyr to be fully integrated into their chosen factions instead of just being auxiliaries following a particular expedition?) or simply to create a slight skew in favor of one faction over the other, but it seems like this is building up to something along those lines.
It's what you are debating. I already pointed out that I reject that premise and it's not what I want to discuss. Find someone else who is interested in that topic if you want to discuss that.
I'm not engaging with it. I keep saying I don't care for it, yet you insist on bringing it up and trying to make the conversation about it every time.2. Yes which is why I phrased it as a hypothetical not a prediction.... If you don't want to argue about a hypothetical then don't engage with hypothetical.
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"You sit in OG/SW waiting on a Mythic+ queue" by Altmer <- Oh, the pearls in this forum...
"They sort of did this Dragonriding, which ushered in the Dracthyr race." by Teriz <- the BS some people reach for their narratives...
Knowing blizzard they'll just go with Wrathion because hes more well known. There is also a good chance that he is corrupted.
hopefully we will see some interactions between Sabellian and Samia Inkling
Samia Inkling says: Hi there, cutey! Do me a favor... ask the Baron what he wants me to do about you know what.
Baron Sablemane says: Tell her that I don't want to be connected with it at this time. The Cenarion Expedition should be more than happy to rid themselves of them.
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Samia Inking says: Deal with them? How am I supposed to deal with them?
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Samia Inkling says: What does the baron want?
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Samia Inkling says: Has he found the one, yet?
Baron Sablemane says: No. Inform her that I'm still searching for the prophesied one that is to assist me in the battle. There are very few promising candidates.
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Samia Inkling says: Tell him that they have refused his "offer".
Baron Sablemane says: Very well, but make certain she knows that the blackwhelps are to be captured first.
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Samia Inkling says: Ask him how he wants to proceed, then come right back!
Baron Sablemane says: Tell her to use the druids for that!
Samia Inkling says: Tell him our Cenarion friends have been most helpful.
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Baron Sablemane says: Hello, little one. What news do you bring?
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Baron Sablemane says: Must I tell her every little thing to do? I have larger issues of my own to deal with here.
Samia Inkling says: Deal with them? How am I supposed to deal with them?
Baron Sablemane says: If they will not bend knee, then she is to see to it that they are destroyed!
I hope to see the little baby as an adult dragon now
Isn't also a plot from the old soldier cinematic with thrall that outland is dying out? like the planet is slowly undoing, makes sense why the black dragons there would go to azeroth.
Since Furywing and the other brooding Black dragons in Ogri'la (Insidia, Obsidia, and Rivendark) were all the targets of a quest to kill and acquire their teeth, it's likely all four are considered canonically dead. The only remaining living members of the Black Dragonflight I can think of would be Wrathion, Sabellian, Serinar (whose whereabouts are currently unknown), Ebyssian, and possibly Nihil (who is permanently banished to an extradimensional realm from which he cannot return).
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