World Revamp

[Dancaris]

Preferably near the Demon Fall canyon so they can also heal the land.

But Demon Fall is iconic place for orcs. Grommash died there, freeing nation from demon blood. Maybe give some land to make small outpost near entrance with road to Demonfall? With removing Warsong Lumber Camp and Splintertree Post from Horde?
And make normal way to Stonetalon? Make lumber camp near the Fold NE subzone, with end of zone is combined with Horde in Stonetalon peak? South part of zone is taurens, and north one - NElvish.

[Kokolums]

i just had a dream Blizz revamped the world and also rebooted the story too.

i watched the cinematic. it was an old Thrall in Demon Fall Canyon talking with young Med'an. Thrall was going on and on about how he is warchief but he is too old too lead and too frail to die in battle. Thrall has chosen Med'an as new warchief. Thrall leads Med'an to this firey furnace in DFC as other orcs look on. Thrall says DFC was the first base camp for the first orcs in Azeroth. That first campfire was never extinguished. The fire kept burning and was preserved in this furnace. There are only 2 ways for Orcs to die with honor: die in battle or be consumed alive by the first campfire. He turns to Med'an and says "YOU are warchief now!" then jumps into the fire and burns alive behind smoke and ash.

World Of Warcraft Rebooted!!!!

[Dancaris]

i just had a dream Blizz revamped the world and also rebooted the story too.

i watched the cinematic. it was an old Thrall in Demon Fall Canyon talking with young Med'an. Thrall was going on and on about how he is warchief but he is too old too lead and too frail to die in battle. Thrall has chosen Med'an as new warchief. Thrall leads Med'an to this firey furnace in DFC as other orcs look on. Thrall says DFC was the first base camp for the first orcs in Azeroth. That first campfire was never extinguished. The fire kept burning and was preserved in this furnace. There are only 2 ways for Orcs to die with honor: die in battle or be consumed alive by the first campfire. He turns to Med'an and says "YOU are warchief now!" then jumps into the fire and burns alive behind smoke and ash.

World Of Warcraft Rebooted!!!!

So your ideal warchief neurtal half-human, quarter draenei and quarter orc? Yea, totally fitting to lead the Horde. /s

[Lochton]

Then I'm definitely against this idea : adding content is good, removing some is never a good idea. A + B is always > A, no matter the value of A or B since you can't really have "negative value content".
If anything, Cataclysm proved that quit well.

And thus, we'll never get a true-sized world if we have to drag the old world and update that as well, especially silly when you have Project Classic to sate your 'old world' needs.

[Cæli]

WoW Classic being a thing kinda negates this entirely. You do know that, right?

Also, zones that have changed for recent expansions (Blasted Lands, Silithus, Darkshore/Teldrassil, Tirisfal Glades) give you the option of reverting back to their Cataclysm-era versions via an NPC.

You can't explore and experience classic content without remaking the progress or part of the progress you've already did. Classic can help to revive the gameplay part but preservation shall also happen in retail in my opinion.
Zidormi isn't always there (as far as I know, the old icrecrown zone is lost currently for instance). The burned teldrassil zone (darkshore) is lost also I believe. I also don't trust blizzard to always put zidormi. Really, people shall be reasoned and reminded all the time about preservation. Without a group of passionate players, classic would have not happened.
Altering something is one thing, but it shall be rejected entirely if there is no mention of the need to preserve. And many player for sure don't care about that. Many just want to consume. Wow shall be preserved in its entirety and it is far from being the case and a given, when you see so many players keen on attacking it.
If the person wanting to update something emphasizes that it shall also be preserved, fine.

[Aurabolt]

You can't explore and experience classic content without remaking the progress or part of the progress you've already did. Classic can help to revive the gameplay part but preservation shall also happen in retail in my opinion.

Zidormi isn't always there (as far as I know, the old icrecrown zone is lost currently for instance). The burned teldrassil zone (darkshore) is lost also I believe. I also don't trust blizzard to always put zidormi. Really, people shall be reasoned and reminded all the time about preservation. Without a group of passionate players, classic would have not happened.

Altering something is one thing, but it shall be rejected entirely if there is no mention of the need to preserve. And many player for sure don't care about that. Many just want to consume. Wow shall be preserved in its entirety and it is far from being the case and a given, when you see so many players keen on attacking it.
If the person wanting to update something emphasizes that it shall also be preserved, fine.

To my knowledge, the only pre-Cata content that disappeared forever was the Battle for the Undercity. It was pretty fun and the fact it was abruptly removed without explaination was what bothered a lot of folks. We would come to understand later it was done so you don't have to go back to SW/Org to quest. The chain just stops with the Wrathgate cutscene.

That aside. I've seen this debated for the last few months in a few places but I do think Blizz would have to add a Cata Classic with another revamp of EK+K. The question to ask at that point I don't see being asked with Wrath Classic is if Achievements from retail should be shared with Wrath Classic and potentially Cata Classic. Accountwide Achivements were introduced in Cata so it's a fair thing to ponder.

WoW Classic, TBC Classic and Wrath Classic. These restore content lost with Cata's introduction. Also, the post-Cata versions of Teldrassil/Darkshore can still be done now by talking to Zidormi. Same with Silithus. Icecrown is still accessible via the Timewalking Campaign. I'm questing there with three alts right now. I know what I'm talking about.

[Myradin]

i just had a dream Blizz revamped the world and also rebooted the story too.

i watched the cinematic. it was an old Thrall in Demon Fall Canyon talking with young Med'an. Thrall was going on and on about how he is warchief but he is too old too lead and too frail to die in battle. Thrall has chosen Med'an as new warchief. Thrall leads Med'an to this firey furnace in DFC as other orcs look on. Thrall says DFC was the first base camp for the first orcs in Azeroth. That first campfire was never extinguished. The fire kept burning and was preserved in this furnace. There are only 2 ways for Orcs to die with honor: die in battle or be consumed alive by the first campfire. He turns to Med'an and says "YOU are warchief now!" then jumps into the fire and burns alive behind smoke and ash.

World Of Warcraft Rebooted!!!!

Durotar Fried Chicken?

[HansOlo]

Are there any hints from devs or things that have been datamined throughout the past few expansions which hint towards a revamp for Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor? Think after Dragonflight it would be amazing to see the entire game brought up to todays standards with the old zones placed in Caverns of Time. Also great time to give us a complete flight overhaul with the new physics and player housing.

100% positive on that it will happend at some point. It will be a card, they would eventually pull off.

I can imagine Cataclysm like revamp. Not a complete reboot(simply because of the massive scope of the project otherwise).

[Zardas]

And thus, we'll never get a true-sized world if we have to drag the old world and update that as well, especially silly when you have Project Classic to sate your 'old world' needs.

We can get it : just create a new supercontinent, either on Azeroth or on another planet/plane, no need for a revamp for that. As for classic, the issue is that it's not in the same game, I want to be able to do all the quests both pre and post-cata on my main., removing content is a nightmare for completionists.

[Lochton]

We can get it : just create a new supercontinent, either on Azeroth or on another planet/plane, no need for a revamp for that. As for classic, the issue is that it's not in the same game, I want to be able to do all the quests both pre and post-cata on my main., removing content is a nightmare for completionists.

As a completionist and one who loves to see progress, I know that there will be a need for sacrifices to see a project in development. Otherwise, we would run with Classic, New Classic, Progression servers, and more. If a WoW2 hit, there would most likely not be a Chromie-Time to phase to anyways, and to see the world expand further to get a little closer to the size it should, would most likely call for a WoW2 anyways.

[Zardas]

As a completionist and one who loves to see progress, I know that there will be a need for sacrifices to see a project in development. Otherwise, we would run with Classic, New Classic, Progression servers, and more. If a WoW2 hit, there would most likely not be a Chromie-Time to phase to anyways, and to see the world expand further to get a little closer to the size it should, would most likely call for a WoW2 anyways.

definitely disagree, sacrificing old world content is not a necessity in order to get progress, you can just keep adding content on the game, there can't be too much content. heck, even if you just want a revamp of EK and Kalimdor (which would seems more boring to me than a whole new supercontinent, but anyway), but could always have them in a special instance, with the odl world still being available in another instance.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

Are there any hints from devs or things that have been datamined throughout the past few expansions which hint towards a revamp for Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor? Think after Dragonflight it would be amazing to see the entire game brought up to todays standards with the old zones placed in Caverns of Time. Also great time to give us a complete flight overhaul with the new physics and player housing.

You don't need to datamine to see evidence. Just go look at the warfronts from BFA and all the updated artwork.

If/when it happens is anyone's guess at this point. Heck it might just come down to what Microsoft wants to do with WoW at this point.

[arkanon]

I'm always confused when I see the scope of some of the recommendations, when we are talking about Blizzard.....the same people bringing us overwatch "2".

Just ask yourself, what was the last project blizzard completed that was anywhere near the scope of Cats...people need to take a step back and start being honest with themselves.

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You don't need to datamine to see evidence. Just go look at the warfronts from BFA and all the updated artwork.

If/when it happens is anyone's guess at this point. Heck it might just come down to what Microsoft wants to do with WoW at this point.

Any guesses what you think they might do? Microsoft I mean.

[Gaidax]

In my opinion, if they keep adding more zones.. the world is going to get too big, why not go back to old zones and make them more relevant and better looking.

Because fuck that.

Been there done that. I'd rather see something actually new than something old with a fresh coat of paint.

[Mysterymask]

i just had a dream Blizz revamped the world and also rebooted the story too.

i watched the cinematic. it was an old Thrall in Demon Fall Canyon talking with young Med'an. Thrall was going on and on about how he is warchief but he is too old too lead and too frail to die in battle. Thrall has chosen Med'an as new warchief. Thrall leads Med'an to this firey furnace in DFC as other orcs look on. Thrall says DFC was the first base camp for the first orcs in Azeroth. That first campfire was never extinguished. The fire kept burning and was preserved in this furnace. There are only 2 ways for Orcs to die with honor: die in battle or be consumed alive by the first campfire. He turns to Med'an and says "YOU are warchief now!" then jumps into the fire and burns alive behind smoke and ash.

World Of Warcraft Rebooted!!!!

....the fact that your ideal wow is one that brings back Me'dan makes me so happy you don't write at blizzard and puts you 1 step below the guy who fucking made him

[Skildar]

The new stables in the capital cities are likely a cutesy hint at a revamp, as they seem to have no impact on DF. Maybe they will be built over the course of the expansion?

Also models like stone giants, Centaurs and Gnolls, who were among the last old world models needing a revamp, all suddenly getting updated is suspicious, as are the revamped boat and ship assets.

I think there is also a new Orc Burrow flightpath model that isn't in the alpha? As well as anither new human building. Both of which don't appear on the Dragon Isles (as well as all the new human buildings added to the files in SL)

They're likely a spot to customize your dragon while in stormwind or orgrimmar

[Lord Pebbleton]

I am torn on this topic.

On one hand, I would love to see the old world graphically updated, even if nothing new is really added to it. Updated inns, boar models, terrain etc. Some creatures have already been remade, like hyenas or dragon whelplings, but they just look out of place if you put them near a pixelated shack that looks straight out of Everquest.

On the other hand, I understand it would be a MASSIVE thing to do for little benefit. And even if they did, eventually those graphics too would get outdated and they would have to do it again in the future.

I suppose if they keep updating one piece at a time, the situation will eventually get up to expectations. But they would still need to re-do the terrain...

[VinceVega]

I Don't think that will ever happen.

Not at once at least. Maybe they close off most of the world and out the old world in chomrie time. Then release zones in patches. Which will 100% make people bitch like crazy.

It is WAY too much work for what blizz gets out of it to rework nearly 20 years of zones.

What they get out of it is basically nothing. Zones people set foot in once and never again. Leveling does not need every zone.

The investement is simply too big to to for blizz for getting nothing out of it.
If there ever is going to be a wow 2.0 (which i doubt) it will happen then. Never ever before that. And they will never revamp the whole world.

Also Blizz is incapable of creating evergreen content. Or unwilling... idk

[Shadowferal]

Just ask yourself, what was the last project blizzard completed that was anywhere near the scope of Cats...people need to take a step back and start being honest with themselves.

Mists of Pandaria was fairly immense.

[Cæli]

To my knowledge, the only pre-Cata content that disappeared forever was the Battle for the Undercity. It was pretty fun and the fact it was abruptly removed without explaination was what bothered a lot of folks. We would come to understand later it was done so you don't have to go back to SW/Org to quest. The chain just stops with the Wrathgate cutscene.

That aside. I've seen this debated for the last few months in a few places but I do think Blizz would have to add a Cata Classic with another revamp of EK+K. The question to ask at that point I don't see being asked with Wrath Classic is if Achievements from retail should be shared with Wrath Classic and potentially Cata Classic. Accountwide Achivements were introduced in Cata so it's a fair thing to ponder.

WoW Classic, TBC Classic and Wrath Classic. These restore content lost with Cata's introduction. Also, the post-Cata versions of Teldrassil/Darkshore can still be done now by talking to Zidormi. Same with Silithus. Icecrown is still accessible via the Timewalking Campaign. I'm questing there with three alts right now. I know what I'm talking about.

Is it icecrown as it used to be or icecrown with the shadowlands skybox?