[TV] Disney+ Star Wars: Cassian Andor

[Ghost of Cow]

Not exclusive to Disney, either. Villains have definitely become throwaway non-threats across the board, mere devices to deliver cringe-inducing, stereotypical lines and no real impact on anything in the long term.

Heck, even "The Snap" in the MCU despite its ostensible long-term ramifications has largely become a red herring, with no function other than to occasionally remind people that this is a shared universe. If they'd never undone it, that could have been something; but of course you can't just kill off Spider-Man can you, and there we are, back to toothless threats and illusory stakes.

"Multiverse" stuff just makes it infinitely worse, too.

Now you can just do whatever and it's not important because it's not the "real" character, or you can just replace them with a version from another universe, or whatever.

[Biomega]

Rogue One definitely did the best job of that so far so maybe they'll stick to it!

The entire premise of this show is going to be predicated on the enemy being terrifying so it wont work if they cant pull that off

I think it helps that we know they all die in the end. That takes a lot of the burden away, since you don't have to worry too much about long-term continuity (though of course it also means they have to survive this part because we've already seen them in what comes after).

One can only hope that they do justice to the idea that this is a fight against an oppressive, fascist regime that controls most of the galaxy. If they're all bumbling idiots who never hit their target, that really doesn't work - and it makes the parts where they engage in egregious evil-doing feel even more disjointed.

SW is very hit and miss in that respect. Most of the time the Empire is just a bunch of sleazy drones who serve completely replaceable roles; we get preciously little of their motivation and conviction, and most Imperials are decidedly unpleasant assholes. But that can't be the whole of it - you don't run a galaxy-wide Empire like that. There's got to be the true believers, and people who genuinely think that law and order are more important than freedom WITHOUT them being sadistic psychos who ramble on about how much of a hardon they had when they torched their last village full of puppies and kittens. We see preciously little normality in SW, which I get is overdrawn for dramatic effect a lot of the time, but still... With so much content, there's got to be more than that.

They do plenty of work with the "good guys". I just wish they'd invest more time into the villains, too.

[Ashana Darkmoon]

Yeah on that note, since i happen to be rewatching ds9, just saw "darkness and the light" about civilian casualties in rebellions and dealing with the complicated morality there. This would be a super interesting element to have in a true Rebel show, but it feels like they'll probably gloss over that stuff too.

Maybe not! I would enjoy being pleasantly surprised.

[Ihavewaffles]

You're not wrong, but to be fair Rogue One was the closest they've come to it, and this show follows in that tradition (even though it chronologically precedes it).

I was yhinking yesterday, rogue one didn't have a single cute moment/creature (merchandise opportunity)
Would probably have made a lot more money if it did..

I hope this show is also dark


...I don't have words to describe my absolute hate for babu frik, i'd rather watch a rey n jar jar binks episode than something so shoe-horned in..star wars needs to rein in all these fucking muppets targeting kids..

[Biomega]

Yeah on that note, since i happen to be rewatching ds9, just saw "darkness and the light" about civilian casualties in rebellions and dealing with the complicated morality there. This would be a super interesting element to have in a true Rebel show, but it feels like they'll probably gloss over that stuff too.

Maybe not! I would enjoy being pleasantly surprised.

I wouldn't hold my breath.

One would have THOUGHT there might be some nuance when we got a former stormtrooper as a character in TFA - maybe explore how they're all just random people who got conscripted, or how Imperial military service is just a way of life for the underprivileged... But no.

Instead we got a guy who has a change of heart very suddenly and very severely, and goes from "I can't do this anymore, all this killing!" to shouting "WOOOHOOOO!" as he murders former compatriots by the dozens in no time flat. Zero nuance, zero reflection, just Empire-dudes-bad-Rebel-dudes-good without as much a two-second introspection about war and soldierdom.

[Ihavewaffles]

I think it helps that we know they all die in the end. That takes a lot of the burden away, since you don't have to worry too much about long-term continuity (though of course it also means they have to survive this part because we've already seen them in what comes after).

One can only hope that they do justice to the idea that this is a fight against an oppressive, fascist regime that controls most of the galaxy. If they're all bumbling idiots who never hit their target, that really doesn't work - and it makes the parts where they engage in egregious evil-doing feel even more disjointed.

SW is very hit and miss in that respect. Most of the time the Empire is just a bunch of sleazy drones who serve completely replaceable roles; we get preciously little of their motivation and conviction, and most Imperials are decidedly unpleasant assholes. But that can't be the whole of it - you don't run a galaxy-wide Empire like that. There's got to be the true believers, and people who genuinely think that law and order are more important than freedom WITHOUT them being sadistic psychos who ramble on about how much of a hardon they had when they torched their last village full of puppies and kittens. We see preciously little normality in SW, which I get is overdrawn for dramatic effect a lot of the time, but still... With so much content, there's got to be more than that.

They do plenty of work with the "good guys". I just wish they'd invest more time into the villains, too.

Maybe it's only me, but I liked the agent kallus character in sw rebels..

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Alexsandr_Kallus

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I wouldn't hold my breath.

One would have THOUGHT there might be some nuance when we got a former stormtrooper as a character in TFA - maybe explore how they're all just random people who got conscripted, or how Imperial military service is just a way of life for the underprivileged... But no.

Instead we got a guy who has a change of heart very suddenly and very severely, and goes from "I can't do this anymore, all this killing!" to shouting "WOOOHOOOO!" as he murders former compatriots by the dozens in no time flat. Zero nuance, zero reflection, just Empire-dudes-bad-Rebel-dudes-good without as much a two-second introspection about war and soldierdom.

Weren't stormtroopers created to serve the republic as cannonfodder against trade feds robotic armies?
Many of them prob didn't get to see any action since it was mostly the more expensive n competent clonetroopers that did the most, but many stormtroopers prob got the impression they are the good guys, and if Anakin hadn't betrayed Mace Vindu, they would have actually have been good guys today.

I know lucas wanted imperialists to be fascists but with sw clone wars fleshed out, it's understandable somewhat why they ended up with their attitude. To them aliens were their Skynet with their cold merciless robotic armies...

Palpatine probably exploited feelings that had been built up..maybe it makes it easier for imps to be genocidal against non-humans (like Zeb's species in sw rebels) or anyone threatening their order (Mandalorians night of a thousand tears)

[Biomega]

Maybe it's only me, but I liked the agent kallus character in sw rebels..

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Alexsandr_Kallus

I don't watch the animated stuff on principle so I don't know the character... but dear gods, that name.

[Ihavewaffles]

Poster

[Theangryone]

Am I hoping it’s going to be decent? Yep. Do I think that Disney will cock this all up? Yep.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Oh no, has the series now become woke?

Andor Is Star Wars’ ‘Scurrilous Take On The Trumpian World’

No no it’s only woke if some folk don’t like it otherwise it’s perfectly fine and certain other people had nothing to do with it.

[Deadite]

Oh no, has the series now become woke?

No no it’s only woke if some folk don’t like it otherwise it’s perfectly fine and certain other people had nothing to do with it.

Hey the double act is here to try and derail another thread crying about shit that no one has even mentioned. Cool.

[Ihavewaffles]

Yeah...it's prob just liberal speak for "rich guys that are with the empire, or whatevers(think that casino world in last trilogy) that they mentioned a certain politician is just them not being able to resist like a normal adult when speaking about other stuff...like a scifi tv show...

Plz keep that nonsense away from this thread..

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Hey the double act is here to try and derail another thread crying about shit that no one has even mentioned. Cool.

Wait were suppose to be derailing the threads? shit no one tell the boss I've put in like 1000 post about starwars I don't want to get fired.

[PACOX]

Oh no, has the series now become woke?

Andor Is Star Wars’ ‘Scurrilous Take On The Trumpian World’

I don't know much about that writer but that's a lazy comparison. The Empire has always been about fascism. Why even go out your away to attribute the story to someone who doesn't even deserve to named in connection to SW?

No one is remotely thinking about that man when they sit down to watch SW.

All that aside, I'm here to see people take the bait.

[minteK917]

I don't know much about that writer but that's a lazy comparison. The Empire has always been about fascism. Why even go out your away to attribute the story to someone who doesn't even deserve to named in connection to SW?

No one is remotely thinking about that man when they sit down to watch SW.

All that aside, I'm here to see people take the bait.

Yeah, what a weird ass marketing. Why would you even mention this clown in relation to anything you make. The empire had entire slave planets. I dont think you need to market this comparison lol.

Mabye theres gona be an orange imperial officer we just havent seen him yet.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Yeah, what a weird ass marketing. Why would you even mention this clown in relation to anything you make. The empire had entire slave planets. I dont think you need to market this comparison lol.

Mabye theres gona be an orange imperial officer we just havent seen him yet.

Starwars by its very nature has strong ties to real world politics and even specific politicians, it really shouldn’t be a surprise with Lucus him self giving us stuff like this in The past.

According to J.W. Rinzler’s The Making of Star Wars: Return of the Jedi, when asked if Emperor Palpatine was a Jedi during a 1981 story conference, Lucas responded, “No, he was a politician. Richard M. Nixon was his name. He subverted the senate and finally took over and became an imperial guy and he was really evil. But he pretended to be a really nice guy.”

[Biomega]

Yeah, what a weird ass marketing.

That's how marketing works, though?

They'll use anything in the public consciousness of the moment to hook into and hawk their product, that's nothing new.

Of course the Empire has always stood in for fascist regimes of all kinds, now it's just made out to be a play on the latest incarnation of something fascist-adjacent. Probably not going to change much about what the show would have been otherwise, big Empire bad old wrinkly Sith man bad was always about as deep as it goes with SW anyway.

Maybe there'll be some truly egregious references, who knows. I'd definitely lol at an orange officer, though, I give you that.

[Ihavewaffles]

We already had someone orange n angry...

I post this version, cuz it's way superior to any other language version, incl. english, also makes him seem like a better character with that particular voice, instead of just the clown we got in the movie..

I get Roman Empire vibes listening to this...


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Work on Star Wars: Andor's Season 2 Begins Before the End of 2022.

https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-andor-...2-disney-plus/
BY LEON MILLER - 11 HOURS AGO

Andor showrunner Tony Gilroy recently revealed that work on Season 2 will begin before the end of 2022.

Gilroy discussed the Star Wars series' second season at the Disney+ Television Critics Association virtual press day. "We are covering one year in our first 12 episodes that we’ve completed, in fact, we’re finishing our final mix on [Episode] 12 tomorrow," he said. "We are going to do another 12 episodes starting in November and the organizing principle for shooting is that we do blocks of three, so last year we were looking at the difficulty of doing five years, which seemed like it would take us the next 30 years."

The showrunner's comments track with previous reports that Andor is targeting a late 2022 production window for Season 2. These same reports also suggested that principal photography on the Rogue One: A Star Wars Story prequel series' second season will take place at Elstree Studios and not Pinewood Studios, like Season 1, with principal photography schedule to last 18 months. Neither Disney+ nor Lucasfilm have publicly commented on the location or length of the Andor Season 2 shoot, however.

It's also unclear whether Andor's next 12-episode block will continue to eschew the revolutionary visual effects technology used by other Star Wars shows The Mandalorian, The Book of Boba Fett and Obi-Wan Kenobi. Gilroy recently confirmed that Andor Season 1 didn't make use of the Volume, a special soundstage surrounded by an ultra-HD video wall used to display digital effects and virtual environments behind actors and partly-built practical sets. Instead, the series relied on a more conventional combination of location shooting and sets extended via green screen technology.

Andor's emphasis on location shooting is something it has in common with Rogue One, which shot scenes in England, Iceland, the Maldives and Jordan. The two productions also differ in many ways, though, most notably through the absence of several key Rogue One cast members, including breakout character K-2SO. Gilroy recently spoke about why the sarcastic ex-Imperial droid won't appear in Andor Season 1, explaining that the five-year gap between the show and the movie that inspired ruled out K-2SO's involvement for now.

"From a storytelling point of view, there are multiple reasons," he said. "I would say, 'Wait and see.' It's a story we are eager to tell. It's difficult to carry an Imperial droid around with you and not draw all kinds of attention. It's a difficult piece of luggage. When we do it, we'll do it in a spectacular fashion as opposed to presenting it and ignoring it, or presenting it or hiding it, or the bad versions we would have been forced to do."



But yet it looks way better than anything we have seen before in star wars shows...I mean, all those shots of Coruscant alone puts everything before to shame..

[bledgor]

Man if this came before the Disney sequels, I would actually look forward to it. Sadly Disney has tainted SW for me.

[Ihavewaffles]

Man if this came before the Disney sequels, I would actually look forward to it. Sadly Disney has tainted SW for me.

even the Mandalorian?... you make baby Grogu sad..