Hogger's new model: What the FUCK?!?!

[Skildar]

I'm seeing a lot of comment about hogger whereever there is talk about this new model but to me this is the model of meatball. I'm really happy that the most prominent champion of most of the mission table minigames will be in HD and with new animations, etc.

And could this be a sign, for those like me who loved it, that the Brawler's guild is making a come back?

[Orby]

Didn't you know? Hogger is homeless because Stormwind jacked up the cost of living.

the cost of human skin tents was the defining factor in this result

[Triceron]

Or...they didn't use a placeholder for hogger? It's pretty clear that hogger only got a unique model because of the whining.

Model work is a lot of work, but it can definitely be done within a day. The dude in this video remade the mechanostrider model within 6-8 hours IIRC and it was his first time using WoW's engine. The hogger model is just an edited version of the gnoll models already created, so I doubt it really took them that much time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtty...ab_channel=Tom

Yes of course the work can be done in a day's time. I've done it myself for a HOTS april fools and made my own Hogger model in a day out of my already existing custom Gnoll model.

https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthe..._fools_reveal/

But working in fan content and working at a game studio where work has to go through formal systems of approval is a very different thing. There's no one formally checking over fan work and getting things to be iterated and changed; it's in full control of the artist who can interpret it at will and choose whenever to consider the model complete. That's what you're missing here.

In any professional modelling setting for a big company like Blizzard, hardly anything will just take a day, because everything goes through iterations and improvements, and we're not talking about people using the first model they finish after a solid day's worth of work even if it's really good. It still has to be approved before things even get moved forward into rigging and texturing.

That is why the assumption that the Hogger model is merely a reaction to fan demand is quite unrealistic. The model has to have been planned months in advance in order for us to actually see the final product appear now. It actually can not be applied as some knee jerk reaction that they whipped up between patches because they saw some internet dweebs talking about it. It doesn't actually make sense if you actually know what a model goes through in order to make it to the pages of WoWhead and MMO champion. There are countless hours and days and weks of work you don't see going back and forth on the details which you never knew had to be fixed or changed.

And just taking a look at this Hogger model right now, I can see the armor/clothing is modelled, the straps are not merely textures but would have had to be high-poly modelled to fit with the Rings and they would have generated textures off that high poly sculpt, the top of the mane looks longer and mangier, the scruffs on his jowls are a different pattern than on the regular gnoll, the rips on his pants are different than the pants of the gnoll, and the overall pattern of fur is different which means they may have also gone through a whole new fur treatment in the high poly sculpt. The key takeaway is that the more visual changes there are, the more likely there would have been back-and-forth iteration/approval process done before this bad boy moves on to the next steps.

With this many visual differences, the approval process would not have been as simple as a day of work. As I said, this is far from simply a mere recolor, and taking longer-than-expected is literally why there was a placeholder for him in the first place.

[Unholyground]

It's pretty simple one is young one is old, not that hard to grasp. Go look at Hyena puppies vs adults and you'll see the difference.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

It's pretty simple one is young one is old, not that hard to grasp. Go look at Hyena puppies vs adults and you'll see the difference.

They make young Gnolls already, the one in the OP is just a generic Gnoll.

[Unholyground]

They make young Gnolls already, the one in the OP is just a generic Gnoll.

But you see how their coloring this different right? Even adult sized young ones are whiteish.

[Aedruid]

They make young Gnolls already, the one in the OP is just a generic Gnoll.

In the next phase of WoW graphic updates, this will be the new Hogger model, just needs more spots and more "googly eyes". The look will really tie into the awesome Warcraft fantasy most middle aged men love.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

But you see how their coloring this different right? Even adult sized young ones are whiteish.

They come in multiple Colours kids and adults.

https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-gno...acelift-327715

[Triceron]

You all sound like a bunch of nerds.

I seriously don't see the issue with Hoggers new model. Y'all outta pipe down fr

Nerds on a gaming forum? No way! Can't be possible, I wouldn't imagine it.

[uuuhname]

there's a difference between being a nerd and being a neurotic weirdo who feels the need to nitpick every detail for a fucking NPC.

[Triceron]

there's a difference between being a nerd and being a neurotic weirdo who feels the need to nitpick every detail for a fucking NPC.

Both sound like Nerds to me *shrugs*

[Zardi]

There are no furry connotations or whatever tf...

HE IS A FUCKING GNOLL

You are certainly underestimating the furry "culture". Believe or not, there are people who would like to diddle a werewolf out there.

Gnolls are anthropomorphic creatures ("anthros"), something that on itself calls for rule 34 furry stuff. I dare not look it up, but you can bet it's there.
Current version is more beast-like (which would border zoophilia) while the rework makes them look more sentient and humanoid-like (i.e: fair game) which goes dangerously into furry territory. Then there's also the "scaleys" which are like furries but fantasizing with reptilian stuff rather than mammals. Dracthyr design certainly leans towards those. Again, without looking it up, I'm certain that by now there's a sizeable amount of images of fun with crossdressing dragons.

I don't know who is in charge of character art but the Dragonflight models seem to be intentionally made for -and by- people with this sort of taste.

[FelPlague]

Do you really think it takes more than a day to make a model? And I understand that it's a reskin, which is my point. I mentioned it has no animations tied to it to show just how rushed they were to put this out. The animations exist, they just haven't even gotten around to finishing this specific model yet.

1- Yes it does take more then a day
2- it is not a reskin.

it does have animations tied to it, again, just we cannot view them because they are not activated, it uses the same animations as the regular gnolls do. the model is finished.

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Or...they didn't use a placeholder for hogger? It's pretty clear that hogger only got a unique model because of the whining.

Model work is a lot of work, but it can definitely be done within a day. The dude in this video remade the mechanostrider model within 6-8 hours IIRC and it was his first time using WoW's engine. The hogger model is just an edited version of the gnoll models already created, so I doubt it really took them that much time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtty...ab_channel=Tom

"within 6-8 hours"
"this took 2 work weeks"
mhm.

also out of any model, the mechanostrider is one of the easiest to make, as it is literally nothing but basic shapes, and any jagged edges or scuff is charaecteristic

[Aucald]

This is a thread about a specific WoW model, and talk of models in general - it is not a thread about California, real-world politics, furries, or whatever else the controversy du jour is. Let's return to the actual thread topic.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

You are certainly underestimating the furry "culture". Believe or not, there are people who would like to diddle a werewolf out there.

Gnolls are anthropomorphic creatures ("anthros"), something that on itself calls for rule 34 furry stuff. I dare not look it up, but you can bet it's there.
Current version is more beast-like (which would border zoophilia) while the rework makes them look more sentient and humanoid-like (i.e: fair game) which goes dangerously into furry territory. Then there's also the "scaleys" which are like furries but fantasizing with reptilian stuff rather than mammals. Dracthyr design certainly leans towards those. Again, without looking it up, I'm certain that by now there's a sizeable amount of images of fun with crossdressing dragons.

I don't know who is in charge of character art but the Dragonflight models seem to be intentionally made for -and by- sexual deviates.

Welcome to 2004, the furry’s have been here from The start.

[uuuhname]

what else is there to talk about here besides people self reporting how everything with anthropomorphized animals is furry bait?

[Zardi]

what else is there to talk about here besides people self reporting how everything with anthropomorphized animals is furry bait?

Well, to summarise, that the model (now replaced, thankfully) didn't look like the brutal Hogger, Scourge of Elwynn but rather like a cute Disney-like character.
"Mah name's Hwoggeh! Woof, woof! Wunna be mah fwiend?"

Still, even as cartoonish and whimsical that the Warcraft art style is, this looks out of place.

[uuuhname]

a cartoonish looking model in a game famous for having a cartoon/comic book art style doesn't strike me as out of place. if you're a lvl 1 character I'm sure he still strikes fear or whatever into your heart.

[Relapses]

They make young Gnolls already, the one in the OP is just a generic Gnoll.

Where's the Unsee Juice? Ugh.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I totally forgot about this...

These are Troll looks yeah?

Yup trolls blessed by there respective Loa.