I'd have liked the Evoker to have a tank spec

[Trumpcat]

It makes perfect sense when you realize that Evokers are casters, and Blizzard isn’t going to make a caster class a tank.

Until you change spec and you're not a caster. Like Druids.

[Teriz]

Until you change spec and you're not a caster. Like Druids.

Druids are a “Jack of all trades” class. They essentially have Warrior, Rogue, Mage, and Priest’s playstyle all under one roof. It’s the clas for altoholics who don’t like to reroll.

Evokers are more along the lines of Mages, Priests, and Warlocks. A pure caster class.

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It would have been really cool to be able to tank with them. But you know Blizzard, it aint gonna happen, they don't tend to give players what they want

The best shot for a mail tank is Shaman at this point, unless we get Tinkers down the road.

[Bonerlord]

literally every new class added to the game since vanilla has had a tank spec

i think we have enough at this point. they should focus on making the current tanks more fun to play to entice more people to play them

[Zulggun]

What's with people's obsession with tanks? I bet if blizzard adds cloth class next some will beg for tank too.

[Ielenia]

Ion said they would maybe do it later. So there is a small hope if many people ask for it. Having only 2 specs is make incomplete content.

They never said they would "maybe add a tank spec" to the evoker class. They said they're "open to the idea of adding a third spec in the future" which is PR talk that essentially means "we don't want to do it, but since we aren't exactly allowed to vehemently shut down doors for future opportunities, we'll just say we have no current plans for it" or, in short, "don't count on it."

[Th3Scourge]

Ion said they would maybe do it later. So there is a small hope if many people ask for it. Having only 2 specs is make incomplete content.

When he said maybe, he meant no

[Feali]

What's with people's obsession with tanks? I bet if blizzard adds cloth class next some will beg for tank too.

Because everyone loves to complain that we don't have enough tanks in the game but don't want to play tanks themselves.

[Mace]

They never said they would "maybe add a tank spec" to the evoker class. They said they're "open to the idea of adding a third spec in the future" which is PR talk that essentially means "we don't want to do it, but since we aren't exactly allowed to vehemently shut down doors for future opportunities, we'll just say we have no current plans for it" or, in short, "don't count on it."

I don't know about you, but having a new spec would be exciting, i'ts like having a new class, somewhat. I'm all for an Evoker tank spec coming down the line and a DH ranged spec.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

I don't know about you, but having a new spec would be exciting, i'ts like having a new class, somewhat. I'm all for an Evoker tank spec coming down the line and a DH ranged spec.

Lucky for you, we are not only getting 2 new specs in Dragonflight but an entire new class to go with them!

[Mace]

Feel free to post a quote from Blizzard saying this. Throughout their developer interviews, they repeatedly called Dracthyr dragons, and when you enter Stormwind and/or Orgrimmar, your dracthyr is called a dragon repeatedly, and you aren't trusted. Nowhere are they ever called "half-dragons" or anything other than dragons or dracthyr.

Oh do I have to? They tell us Deathwing made them from combining humanoid (likely Elven/Vrykul) and Dragon- They aren't pure dragon, nor are they pure humanoid.

It not only makes sense they have two forms, but that this is integrally part of their identity and not a disguise. I mean, the visage form has clear dragon identifiers, you can't make it a spotless featureless plain humamoid.. which is what a disguise is.

When they or dragons will disguise - all the horns, scales, everything will go. Visage doesn't have this.. I can't see how you would conclude it is a disguise.


THe concept is cool

Its in the opening questlines. When you arrive in Stormwind, Wrathion says that like other dragons, the dracthyr can assume a visage form to make themselves more acceptable to the mortal races. In other words, the dracthyr are capable of taking on a mortal visage EXACTLY like the dragons do.

This hints that they can do full disguises, and I woudl really hope that Dracthyr will be able to disguise as any humanoid they choose - this is NOT visage form, but actually an existing race customisation, like worgen - but unlike VIsage form, you can't fight with your disguise in combat - you can fight with your dragon form or visage form in comabt because that is part of your.

this woudl maek Visage form more liek a shapeshift, but a bit mroe integral, because unlike shapeshift, this is part of who they are..

Except you can't do that until you get to Stormwind and you encounter the mortal races. If they were part mortal, why would they not be able to use their visage forms until they actually see the mortal races? Why would Wrathion explicitly say that the Dracthyr need to use their visage forms to mingle with mortal races just like other dragons do?

He would say this because it makes it easier for them to interact with mortals - if you can do two forms, and one looks like your mortal side, duh.. given how dragon form is scary to them, you'd use the humanoid form.


But the humanoid form is not any race we know - so it isn't a disguise - it helsp them interact better with scared racist mortals, but it's not a disguise.

A disguise will have no trace of your dragon blood or aspect. You'd be like Kalecgos or Chromie - look completely half-elven or gnome (respectively.)

[Kithelle]

A tank spec would mean remove so much of their cooler abilities and attacks since Tanks are melee, so no thanks, i rather they make a new cool tank class in the next expansion after Dragonflight, then adding a tank spec that would miss out on so many Evoker specific spells.

That too...especially in pvp it would be insane to have all that mobility and be able to tank damage, and heal

[huth]

Ion said they would maybe do it later. So there is a small hope if many people ask for it. Having only 2 specs is make incomplete content.

No, he said they might do another spec later, but specificially ruled out tank.

[TriHard]

What's with people's obsession with tanks? I bet if blizzard adds cloth class next some will beg for tank too.

A cloth tank would actually be really fucking cool though

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No, he said they might do another spec later, but specificially ruled out tank.

Could do a melee dps spec in that case, they're dragons after all.

[ohwell]

I love this sentence because every new class we got has a tank spec but you deliberately specified only "hero classes".

It's defined as ones who start at a higher level technically as of the last they stated.

[God Save The King]

The idea between the different tanks right now is due to their "fantasy". Plate wearers tank by taking the blows, blocking them and moving on while leather wearers tank by dodging them. Not sure how a mail wearer tank "fantasy" would play out. A mix of both? Seems odd to me personally..

Eh not quite. Warriors and paladins definitely have the 'block' fantasy, with paladins leaning more into % mitigation through the light (e.g. hallowed ground). Death Knights are the parry/life drain fantasy. Monks are heavy dodgers while bears are meat shields with massive armour pools. Demon Hunters are all about kiting/placement.

We don't have a spelltank, which is a clear fantasy missing. Evoker would fill that nicely. A defensively weak tank (lower armor/dodge/parry) that uses spells/absorbs/heals to survive along with moderate armor. It'd be kind of like the old Monks with Guard + Old DKs.

We also lack an affliction specialist tank which could be given to a warlock or new clothie too. A frail tank that survives by putting massive debuffs on the enemy.

[Echo of Soul]

And I want hunters to have a healing and a tank spec. We don't always get every stupid fucking thing that we want like caster classes starting to be tanks for no good reason.

[Mace]

Lucky for you, we are not only getting 2 new specs in Dragonflight but an entire new class to go with them!

YEh... I'd loke more. Im full on for class identities/class skins.

And if adding an extra spec to some classes can do the job , that would be cool.

i mean, if i got a ranged spec for the DH, and a tank spec for theEvoker - it'd give the class a new lease of life, makeit more exciting, - i see no downsides.

other extra specs I would give.

New Specs
1. DH ranged spec
2. Evoker tank spec
3. Shaman tank spec
4. Priest damaging light spec (but a light skin of shadow does equally well)
The reason I don't do paladin range is because Paladins were warriors embracing the light, or priests taking the light to battle as meleers - essentially being ranged light warrior is effectively becoming a priest using light powers offensively.

I think that's it for new specs

New class
Tinker - range/tank/melee

Class Skins
Hunter: Dark ranger and Ranger

[Ielenia]

I don't know about you, but having a new spec would be exciting, i'ts like having a new class, somewhat. I'm all for an Evoker tank spec coming down the line and a DH ranged spec.

Getting a third spec is one thing. Getting a new tank spec is another thing entirely.

If Evokers were to ever get a third spec-- if ever, mind you-- it's practically guaranteed it's not going to be a tank spec. Because it goes against the concept of the class. That's like saying demon hunters could get a healing spec.

[paxen]

As stated multiple times, blizz has tried adding tank specs to address the tank shortage and it just doesn't work. Having a new class be healer/ranged is a good thing, there are too few of both in the game as it is, especially ranged. Having said that...

I would counter-argue, as someone who likes tanking and ranged DPS but dislikes the Balance playstyle, that we do need another class that can tank and do ranged DPS. We have numerous tank/melee dps, tank/heals, heal/melee dps, heal/ranged dps, melee/ranged dps. We have only one class that can tank/ranged dps.

I'm exactly the same, currently I main dps but like to have a tank spec for M+, and that forces me into melee (I also don't like Balance). Giving Evokers a tank spec would be great just for letting me play Devastation while still having the option to tank. Same argument goes for giving DHs a ranged spec (so I can pew pew in raids and run first in dungeons).

But every class has a dps spec, wont hurt to at least have 1 mail wearing class and 1 cloth wearing class that can tank.

Dracthyr actually can fill that role thanks to a dragon form that you would imagine is naturally more tanky.

I can only see a cloth pet based class being able to tank, like if we get a Locus Walker that uses void creatures to tank, that would make sense.

A cloth tank class would be brewmaster! Fantasy monks are noted for wearing no armor/cloth armor. The only reason WoW monks wear leather is because agi cloth didn't exist back when they were added back in Mists - blizz would have had to add a ton of items just for monks. With the later rework where all armor has your main stat, depending on spec, monks could now wear cloth if they wanted them to. It would mess up transmogs a bit, but changing monk sets into cloth armor wouldn't be huge job (hopefully).

[Teriz]

Oh do I have to? They tell us Deathwing made them from combining humanoid (likely Elven/Vrykul) and Dragon- They aren't pure dragon, nor are they pure humanoid.

Except that’s not what they said. They said that Deathwing took the essence of dragons and combined it with the adaptability of mortals. He magically combined qualities, not literal beings. No specific race was ever mentioned, and “mortal races” can mean anything from elves to murlocs.

It not only makes sense they have two forms, but that this is integrally part of their identity and not a disguise. I mean, the visage form has clear dragon identifiers, you can't make it a spotless featureless plain humamoid.. which is what a disguise is.

Except Wrathion very clearly tells the Dracthyr to use their visage form to disguise their true draconic form from the people of Stormwind so that the people will be more at ease around them.

When they or dragons will disguise - all the horns, scales, everything will go. Visage doesn't have this.. I can't see how you would conclude it is a disguise.

Uh, Alexstraza and Ysera have very clear horns on display in their visage form.