No, YOU'RE The idiot that doesn't know what they're talking about...
I went digging since you're being an ass about it. You could earn gladiator title/shoulders/mount/weapon in WOTLK until SEASON FUCKING 7. That means you had two seasons of 2v2. Like I said, they removed the ultra top tier rewards mid-xpac. You could still do it (as in the queue even existed) AND you could get everything but the absolute top tier rewards from 2v2 still, so I'd say that still counts as existing and being able to do it.
This is also a bald faced lie. It was always LOLRET until wrath. Again, did your raid stack rets like they did pure dps (rogue/war/mage)? No? THEN THEY WERE WEAK IN PVE. Filling a token slot isn't "balanced".
Ret was far from 2 button facerollers. Get over your hyperbole. And, like I said with the exception of the very first season, rets weren't OP in arena. Even when they were OP they weren't as OP as mace spec rogues in TBC and their "reign" of being OP didn't last nearly as long as plenty of other classes with OP streaks have. Also, lets not even mention how entirely mediocre ret was in raids until later. They were never straight OP like release DK was.
If you're talking HOLY paladins, I really wouldn't know. Fuck being someone else's support.
I was there and I was able to witness the statistics for class/specs in both arena ladders and raid charts? I was in the best guild on my server. We were the only guild who cleared heroic ICC. Most servers only had 1-2 guilds that ever managed that. I was the best of 3 rets in my team. I know wtf I'm talking about. I had 98th percentile+ parses.
Again, DKs started out seriously OP. Their best DPS build was something dumb like 15/15/20 or whatever. THEN they got hit with multiple hard nerf bats across the first season, then they were relatively balanced.
Also, what happened to your precious "hurr durr AS OP AS WARR?"
Ah yes, talking about clouded vision of people who don't know anything they're talking about. Let's take a look at some stats eh?
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ats-Blue-Posts
Those OP paladins and their bottom tier representation in 2s in the actual brackets it matters (2200+). Those OP paladins (who were almost guaranteed to be all holy) in that middle-of-the-pack 3v3 representation. Those OP paladins and their mid tier representation in 5v5!
https://www.warcrafttavern.com/wotlk/dps-rankings/
https://blizzardwatch.com/2022/07/13...-king-classic/
Ah yes, the ol' ret paladin in solid b-tier that only makes it into S tier at the very last season due to ICC being so many undead and finally getting some good set bonuses!
YOU remind me of everyone from WOTLK era. Crying about paladin being OP simply because ret finally got to be even somewhat competent at their fucking job. Jesus I remember arguing with this one fucking rogue for hours back in the day about how paladin shouldn't ever be strong because it's too popular and class representation is what is most important so it has to stay weak.
Get the fuck out of here with your garbage memory and your cherry picked blue post that's talking about the differences they're making to the patch they're going with for WOTLK release.
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AH yes, more fuel to rebuke your bad position:
https://www.engadget.com/2010-05-06-...s-by-spec.html
Look at all that OP paladin stuff! Wow. You know what I DO see? Is that even in it's strongest PVE patch of the xpac in it's strongest raid environment, it STILL wasn't actually OP like you're saying. WTF did you play, some dumb trash like feral? Or are you just bad?