Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
I can't tell you who's winning, but I don't see Russia backing down.
When they are done with Ukraine, invasion of Finland and Sweden is unfortunately looking probable if they haven't joined NATO until that point. Everyone will act shocked, again, and I will come again and say "I told you so". If they officially join NATO, Russia will undermine them in other ways.
Where did I say they would attack a NATO country?
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The US wants to enforce NATO expansionism because it serves their purpose geopolitically. With a single stroke, they managed to force Russia to invade a brotherly nation, and weakened the EU because they knew that they were dependent on Russian energy.
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What? Do you ever post any arguments or do you always use perverse ad hominems?
Nobody forced Russia to do anything, and the US didn't force Ukraine to do anything. Russia could have just not invaded Ukraine.
They didn't invade because they were "scared," they didn't invade because the US "insulted their pride," they didn't invade because they "disagreed with NATO," they invaded purely because they wanted to continue to expand Russia's borders to exploit Ukraine's resources and thought they could scare other neighboring countries out of considering NATO membership. Any other reason is dressed up lies.
Russia's reasons for invading had nothing to do with self-preservation. It's wholly and entirely based on a dictator's wishes of recapturing the lost, failed glory of the USSR.
As for why the US and EU are helping out? Maybe because they learned from history that dictators with delusions of grandeur seeking to expand their borders in Europe aren't happy with appeasement and that the word of said dictators isn't worth dirt, and want to stop the situation from getting worse. Imagine if Hitler had been stopped at Poland.
In this situation, Ukraine, the US and the EU are the good guys. And if you don't like that... tell Russia not to be so terrible. There's only one country invading a sovereign nation in this situation, and it's Russia, invading Ukraine.
Hell, if Russia "had to invade Ukraine to show NATO they aren't to be trifled with" they failed in that pretty spectacularly. Their economy is crumbling and will continue to crumble, they're sending tens of thousands of their young men off to die pointlessly while millions more have fled Russia never to return, their war resources are shot to hell, and NATO basically gets to kill Russian soldiers by giving weapons to Ukraine without imperiling a single NATO member life.
So either Russia is malicious but incompetent in their invasion, or they're blindingly stupid. I'm going to go with some measure of both, but you seem to want to paint these war crime committing invaders as "victims of the mean ol' US" somehow.
Russia can't muster an invasion on a country they share an extensive land border with and have all but completely stalled out after 6 months of fighting, and at no point have their logistics, supply chains, equipment, manpower or morale seen anything resembling a positive improvement.
Who says they can attack any other country? They gonna pull the troops and resources required to invade Finland and Sweden out of thin air?
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We posting fanfic wet dreams here now? Finland will bury Russia.
Some people believe in Russian supremacy with such fervor and faith that they simply are beyond saving...And what comes to this fanatic side-choosing matter, Finland will embrace US any day over Russia. A world without Russia is immeasurably better than world without US.
I'll pick the bickering of anti-US posters rather than not having basic necessities of plumbing in a russian world.
Russia can't beat Ukraine, but they will somehow beat Finland and Sweden?
And whether they join NATO is not even relevant. Both Sweden and Finland are part of the EU mutual defence treaty, if Russia attacks them the EU (And UK) fill give them full active military support. Then Russia can chose to let the EU (and UK) shoot at them for free, or shoot back and NATO gets triggered anyway.
There is no world in which Russia attacks Finland or Sweden and doesn't get humiliatingly defeated. Again.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
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Putin must have died, haven't seen or heard from him in a long while.
It seems Trump wants to do that, sure, but I doubt it's going to happen. And even if US were to leave NATO, I'd imagine rest of it's members would carry on in some form or another. And as far as Russia is concerned, it ought to be more than enough.
And who knows, perhaps NATO might become more appealing to others without US involvement? Especially if Trump becomes the president again.
The US isn't continuing to pay Russia billions of dollars to buy energy they should have weaned themselves off of back when Russia started its expansionary crusade 8 years ago and has by far been the largest provider of military aide to Ukraine.
So slow your roll there.
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