Perhaps now people will have to make sure they stockpile their own mats and do some actual work.
Perhaps now people will have to make sure they stockpile their own mats and do some actual work.
Make a druid alt with herbalism/alchemy, fly around for half an hour and make your own flasks/pots? I never understood anyone complaining about high consumable prices when it is so easy to self supply. Heck fly around half an hour more and sell the stuff if it was so horrendously expensive on your realm.
A lot of people don't want to farm herbs or play with tradeskills at all. I sure as heck don't find it riveting to afk for 40 minutes crafting potions. I do it because playing markets is fun, and it's fun enough for enough people that I've never had any issue having a guild where multiple people could potentially supply cauldrons.
What is your solution? Fuck anyone ever being able to make real money through farming or crafting because you can't handle the idea of someone having more gold than you? You might as well be saying we should eliminate mom and pop operations because how dare someone move from lower to middle class off their own effort and ingenuity. No one should be allowed to run a profitable and successful business, that'll solve everything!
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Buying tokens with change to spare for other things. Buying rare mounts and toys. Helping friends or supplying your guild. Making your own business venture more profitable to secure a reasonably steady income. Really the same shit that people do with money IRL. Fun, Charity, and Business.
I do understand what price gouging means. It means you want set a unfairly high price due to greed.
That isn't how this AH works. IN fact, you and the other prices gougers were controlling hte market and keeping prices high. Now that you have fare more people selling goods, it is a lot harder for you to control the market and keep prices up. This helps the consumer as they can now purchase good for far cheaper and it is far more a free market.
So you admit you are lazy and want gold handed to you? It's this form of entitlement that is ruining society. Everyone wants everything handed to them and do not want to put any of their own effort into it.
What I want is fairly priced goods and as long as we have greedy whales like you being able to control the market, we don't get that. Thanks to these changes, we get those reasonable prices. We don't care that you are successful. We have a problem with you being excessively greedy while doing it and making it so less people can actually afford it.
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LOL reddit. That is not a legit source. Your 36 million is not laughably small as the great majority of palyers have nowhere near that.
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Ironic that you claim you are getting F'd over when you are F'ing over many consumers by keeping prices ridiculously high due to your own greed.
Nobody gives a damn how much gold you have. What we do give a damn about is keeping prices fair for everyone. You just care about your greed and feeling superior to everyone else as if making the most gold in a game makes you special. It does not.
Another pointless cross realm degeneracy, I mean feature.
Merging the servers apparently is harder than creating all these things. Even though they recently merged them in Classic, but won't do it in Retail because?
Nobody would need garbage like this if everybody played on a big, healthy server.
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Let's keep this real simple, just answer these 3 questions for me since you're so damn sure of yourself that you want to demonize anyone who wants to make any profit ever.
What is the magical "fair price" that base goods should be sold for?
What is the exact profit margin that you think people should be allowed to make?
How did you decide to come up with the above 2 numbers that makes you so damn sure that it's better than a free market where people decide how much to buy and sell things for?
Man, I am rolling in the gold since this change had occurred!
Still think this a bad feature even a few weeks on. Kind of makes some professions feel pretty pointless as there's next to no profit margin for Enchanting in Shadowlands and most other commodity based professions. In most cases now I'm mainly trying to get rid of mats as prices drop as more and more items flood the market and people keep undercutting, often despite items selling extremely quickly.
I usually like to have an Enchanter/Alchemist to supply my main with Enchants/Consumables going into a new Expansion as I feel one of the best ways to profit in the past has been to be self-sufficient. Looking at Dragonflight I don't really know if it matters as the amount of Mats/Consumables being loaded onto the AH will quickly lower prices to reasonable and then cheap value. Using the larger servers I played Alts on (Silvermoon/Tarren-Mill) the profit margins on those Servers already was somewhat small with 9.2.5 and the merger of the Region just removed it.
I'm not stressing for gold, I have enough to buy anything I really want. But that doesn't mean I feel that part of the game should be ruined when a much better fix would be additional realm connections. Then again Blizzard is profitting from letting Servers fall to a state of garbage, as our Guild is currently moving to Silvermoon because of how dead Shadowsong has become and a lack of support since Aszune connected to it back in 2014. It's quite obvious to me that connecting realms to a point of having a few mega servers with populations similar to Silvermoon, Kazzak and Tarren-Mill would be a much better solution of players, especially seeing their work with Classic and closing off most of the dead servers.
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Silvermoon - Shadowsong/Aszune - Tarren-Mill/Dentarg (SL Mage Tower: 29/36)
So what number is that? What should farmers be getting paid for the mats they provide and other people buy to craft into usable items for other players? How much should those other players be allowed to upcharge their service of crafting?
I can't speak for all the servers obviously, but the only time I saw people doing price resets (on both low and high pop servers) is when the finished product was selling for less than the cost of materials, or the price of materials dropped so low that it was no longer worth farming them for reasonable profit for your time. You people must have some number in mind of what peoples time is worth because ya'll are getting so offended at the idea of someone intelligently playing the market to make money.
Novel idea, if the price is too high you can either make your own or just not buy it. We're talking very beginner level economics here, but some people who haven't even considered the very basics of running your own business and how supply chains work think they know better. Just a bunch of "eat the rich" and "How dare someone make money" buffoons that feel a sense of self-righteousness in wanting to ruin the economy.
Yep. The auction house goblins just don't want to admit that within their servers they were able to operate monopolies and cartels to insure profits.
I was clearly talking about the costs pre-merge...
The number is what the market settles on. More competition = lower prices. Don't like it, oh well. The only people crying over the changes are the poor goblins who read an intro to macroeconomics book and decided they were the Jeff Bezos of Moonguard.
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Flipping (both WoW and IRL) is one of the scummiest ways to get rich. People who do that are literal leeches on the economy. At the very best, they bring no added value, but more often than not, their added value is negative (removing goods from the market in order to create artificial scarcity to drive the price up).
What do you think stock trading is?
When did I argue for a free market economy? I'm not a globalist, and think markets should be limited by region for regulation and management purposes. We currently do this to a degree by country, but I even think some of our stronger economies should fragment.
"Welp, that's just the market setting prices" is a pretty rich argument coming from someone who was just complaining about the market setting prices. You pretty clearly understand that this change fucked people over, but you enjoy it. No need to hide your sadistic glee in seeing people lose economic freedom and class mobility in the game. In the end, all that matters is that you get to buy cheap shit, I get it.
The “fair” price of goods is such that most anyone can easily afford the necessary items to function at the level they wish to play the game at without much extra effort expended beyond them playing the game in that method. The market basically bottoming out allows more people to afford more things.
And don’t give me some nonsense about the cost of labor or a man being entitled to the sweat of his brow or somesuch non-applicable tripe. This is a fantasy wizard game. You have no bills to pay in WoW or children to feed or mortgages to pay off. The only remotely equivocal expenditure is if you buy game time with gold via the WoW token, but… if you can no longer afford to do that, guess you’ll have to go back to shelling out 15 cold hard dollars… just like was necessary for most of WoW’s life.
If I were still interested in making gold (I ground up the five million for the brutosaur in the final patch of bfa and stopped caring after that) then I’d simply shift my focus to the more obscure materials that are largely underexploited. I checked, and my old sources for gold when people would undercut the prices on osmenite or end-game bfa fish when I was doing the brutosaur farm are still selling for hundreds of gold each. So maybe try thinking outside the box.
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