Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Nymrohd]

The Creation Catalysts especially were used to create Worlds and launch them across the Dark Beyond and seed life to every corner of existence.

But shouldn't that be the job of Zereth Vitae???

[Raetary]

Steve Danuser says exactly this *several times* during the Zereth Mortis reveal video. I mean, devs are constantly contradicting the lore & this will surely be retconned because he doesn't seem to think through the implications of introducing lore into the setting but he did say it.

Nope, he nor any other dev in the dev-preview said anything of the sort.

In fact the very first thing they say about Zereth Mortis is that, and i quote:

Zereth Mortis was created by the First Ones, and it is intended to create Afterlives.

Which they then repeat in some fashion or another a dozen times throughout the damn video.

[Xilurm]

Bleh don't even mention Kalecgos. That romance



just stop. I rather not deal with that again. But on a more...calmer note.

Jaina and Kalec is such a random silly thing. Jaina had Arthas as a romance interest, that was part of her story. They didn't need to another romance arc after that. People don't need to be in a relationship to be happy.

Never liked characters jumping from one romantic interested to another in stories. Kinda makes the previous one less important.

[Makabreska]

Jaina and Kalec is such a random silly thing. Jaina had Arthas as a romance interest, that was part of her story. They didn't need to another romance arc after that. People don't need to be in a relationship to be happy.

Never liked characters jumping from one romantic interested to another in stories. Kinda makes the previous one less important.

Well, that's how people operate, and Arthas was an old story by that time.

[Xilurm]

Well, that's how people operate, and Arthas was an old story by that time.

That's why I said in "stories". I just don't find it interesting storytelling. Besides, they don't have free will, they are just written that way. I'm just saying it didn't need to be written or part of her character development.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Presumptious to assume people don't eventually find someone else. Jaina's not that kinda character either(NOt that this is the most important piece of WC lore right now >.>).

[Xilurm]

Presumptious to assume people don't eventually find someone else. Jaina's not that kinda character either(NOt that this is the most important piece of WC lore right now >.>).

Ok but did it have to be a dragon? Also, that's not even what I meant! I'm talking about fictional characters. There's a difference!

[Lady Atia]

Ok but did it have to be a dragon? Also, that's not even what I meant! I'm talking about fictional characters. There's a difference!

What's wrong with him being a dragon? He can always use his visage form which is as much part of himself as his dragon form. WoW dragons aren't GoT dragons ...

[Xilurm]

What's wrong with him being a dragon? He can always use his visage form which is as much part of himself as his dragon form. WoW dragons aren't GoT dragons ...

Sure they are more vastly more "sentient", but they also use those forms to interact with mortals and make them feel more at ease than having to be in their dragon forms all the time. It's more of a "mask" than what they actually are. But I'm just wondering, why would a dragon even find attraction towards a humanoid?

Then again, this is Kalec we're talking about, not his first time doing something like this.

[Ersula]

That's just patch hype wording. The patch notes reworded it so that it showcases that Zereth Mortis and the Sepulcher in particular made all things in the Realms of Death.

SL and Zereth Mortis are basically a taste for things to come regarding the other cosmic realms and their zereths. To give us an idea and general understanding of what to expect going forward with these plots.

I will accept that all the zareths have automa, but I will point out that establishing that there are 6 automated robot-lands is the least interesting way they could have established a cosmic universe, pretty much hastening the inevitable addition of "Firstier Ones" above the First ones to give the setting a sense of existential mystery.

[Lady Atia]

Sure they are more vastly more "sentient", but they also use those forms to interact with mortals and make them feel more at ease than having to be in their dragon forms all the time. It's more of a "mask" than what they actually are. But I'm just wondering, why would a dragon even find attraction towards a humanoid?

Then again, this is Kalec we're talking about, not his first time doing something like this.

No, it's made clear both in the (actually quite well written) visage form short story and ingame with the Dracthyr that the visage forms are an integral part of themself, not just some mask.

"Ebyssian said to look inside and let the magic within express how I wanted to be seen."

And why shouldn't a dragon who spends quite some time in his visage form not find attraction (or better said .... love?) towards a humanoid? Again, it's not like WoW dragons hate it to be in their visage forms or anything.

[Lady Atia]

I will accept that all the zareths have automa, but I will point out that establishing that there are 6 automated robot-lands is the least interesting way they could have established a cosmic universe, pretty much hastening the inevitable addition of "Firstier Ones" above the First ones to give the setting a sense of existential mystery.

Why? The existence of the First Ones gives the setting the "existential mystery" you want, and it was needed since Legion took exactly that away from the Titans. I'm quite sure we will see the other Zereths simply because they will be something people want to see - the hype will be on a scale of the Elemental Planes, Nyalotha or Nazjatar, but I somewhat doubt they will repeat the "mistake" from Legion again.

It's funny how you people seem to criticise exactly the thing you want lol.

[Ersula]

Nope, he nor any other dev in the dev-preview said anything of the sort.

In fact the very first thing they say about Zereth Mortis is that, and i quote:

Which they then repeat in some fashion or another a dozen times throughout the damn video.

An Additional Quote from that video:

This is the land of progenators & this is their workshop: Where they created everything we experience in the Shadowlands & Azeroth; even realms we have yet to know.

On a side note they also say 'We will learn more about Zereth Moris & The First Ones themselves over the course of this content" which isn't really true. We learned jack-shit about the First Ones, even if you do all the Enlightened content.

It's funny how you people seem to criticise exactly the thing you want lol.

Its funny how you people just want to see the same content over & over but a different shade of green.

[Nymrohd]

Another thing. The Primalists keep telling us we are being manipulated and more importantly that "You should have joined us"

I kind of hope the pre expansion questline actually has them try to recruit us. Maybe meet some people like Koroleth, Kurog and Dathea

[Xilurm]

Seeing other Zereths would be the equivalent of seeing multiple "Ulds" (Uldaman, Ulduar, Uldum etc)

Though I don't think that they will eventually not make the same mistake the did with the Titans. How long can they keep the First Ones from showing up?

ALTHOUGH.... Them being dead and gone would be really interesting. Think the Proteans from Mass Effect.

[Sondrelk]

Mehhh I don't compare them at all tbh. The Uld facilities can be used to "shape" stuff sure, but they exist as planetary facilities to help reshape already existing worlds and whatnot in a more ordered and "less chaotic" fashion.

Whereas the Zereths are basically workshops built around a blueprint of existence itself. Where without the Zereths, NOTHING would...well...be a thing or be made.

I wouldnt even say the Uld prefix denotes something meant to help the world soul, but rather just somewhere the titans or titanforged created.
Comparatively the Zereths seem to specifically be there to create more of their respective realm, the same way Zereth Mortis just exists to ensure the Shadowlands runs smoothly, and to create more of it if needed.

[Xilurm]

Mehhh I don't compare them at all tbh. The Uld facilities can be used to "shape" stuff sure, but they exist as planetary facilities to help reshape already existing worlds and whatnot in a more ordered and "less chaotic" fashion.

Sorry I should've clarified. I'm saying they might feel the same due to the mysticism surrounding them. Uldaman was my favourite Vanilla dungeon because of the lore you find inside and how much bigger it makes the scope of the Warcraft universe. So as long we find more Zereths and they have that mysticism surrounding them, lore about some ancient race that abandoned this place and is now somewhere out there in the stars, they can end up feeling the same and filling up the gap the Titans left when they got fully revealed.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I think they need to take it easy with the cosmic themes(Instead of ditching it entirely, just get us comfortable with it, not shove us off a cliff.

Another thing. The Primalists keep telling us we are being manipulated and more importantly that "You should have joined us"

I kind of hope the pre expansion questline actually has them try to recruit us. Maybe meet some people like Koroleth, Kurog and Dathea

They probably know something we don't, or its ironic and they are being manipulated.

[Revamp Man]

I think they need to take it easy with the cosmic themes(Instead of ditching it entirely, just get us comfortable with it, not shove us off a cliff.





They probably know something we don't, or its ironic and they are being manipulated.

They claim the Titans lied to us so I'm going to assume it is something involving the elements based on the leak that predicted themes for the expansions up to 13.0

[Bsirk]

They claim the Titans lied to us so I'm going to assume it is something involving the elements based on the leak that predicted themes for the expansions up to 13.0

Do you remember where that leak is located? Just so we could have a refresher.