Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[wowrefugee]

I understand blizzard are trying to redeem themselves somehow but the black elves and gay/lesbian couples feel SO forced in the campaign ... You want to do a favor to minorities? Don't write them at the expanse of the story ...

You're asking Blizzard to be capable of good writing. The story is not suffering because of diversity and inclusion - there is no evidence of this.

Would you say heterosexuality is the reason the story parts that involved Tyrande and Malfurion sucked? I would hope not, at least.

[Luck4]

Feels weird that we haven't gotten the release date yet (usually we get it like half a year before), but I'm guessing since they didn't announce a delay to 2023 yet its going as planned.

The fact that they haven't announced a release date yet makes me think they're still not confident about the "leaked" deadline, so they're procrastinating it as much as possible to get a week or two if needed. Releasing an expansion in December isn't unprecedented, Cataclysm, the last draconic expansion, was released on December 7, 2010.

Personally, I think this posture is problematic because we can get another rushed expansion.

[Raetary]

When is Dragonflight Music?

Everyone always asks 'when is Dragonflight music', but no one ever asks HOW is Dragonflight music.

[Highlord Hanibuhl]

Everyone always asks 'when is Dragonflight music', but no one ever asks HOW is Dragonflight music.

Why is Dragonflight Music?

[Revamp Man]

The fact that they haven't announced a release date yet makes me think they're still not confident about the "leaked" deadline, so they're procrastinating it as much as possible to get a week or two if needed. Releasing an expansion in December isn't unprecedented, Cataclysm, the last draconic expansion, was released on December 7, 2010.

Personally, I think this posture is problematic because we can get another rushed expansion.

Shadowlands release date announcement probably gave them ptsd

[Nymrohd]

You unlock worldquests via the leveling campaign (as soon as lvl 68). Did you skipped that and focused on side quests instead to reach max level?

The opposite, I only did the main campaign to keep as much as possible fresh and spammed dungeons. Finished the chromie quests, returned to Valdrakken and then nothing. Nothing when I dinged 70 either.

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Just to add to this, there is a bug in the latest build where you cant complete the Thaldrazus campaign and unlock WQ

Aha, I guess that's what happened for me. And several others since I asked in chat and several people had the bug.

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I understand blizzard are trying to redeem themselves somehow but the black elves and gay/lesbian couples feel SO forced in the campaign ... You want to do a favor to minorities? Don't write them at the expanse of the story ...

Can you tell me an example where the story suffered in order to include diversity?

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When is Dragonflight Music?

I think you've been told several times that in most past betas, music is added in the last 2-3 builds.

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Btw really hoping they do some more work on the UI changes before launch. They need to let us move around at least the bags and the leveling bar.

[Highlord Hanibuhl]

Btw really hoping they do some more work on the UI changes before launch. They need to let us move around at least the bags and the leveling bar.

I highly doubt they would not implement something along the lines of a snap-system for elements

[Makorus]

I feel like Prepatch Date + Release Date are gonna be announced next week.

Wouldn't be this week as to not take away from Wrath Classic, and next week gives you one more full rotation for people to unlock the Teleports/finish the Fated Raids before Prepatch.

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I highly doubt they would not implement something along the lines of a snap-system for elements

I mean, you still don't have precise pixel movement for stuff. Just having to drag it and hope it looks good and even suuuucks.

[Nymrohd]

I feel like Prepatch Date + Release Date are gonna be announced next week.

Wouldn't be this week as to not take away from Wrath Classic, and next week gives you one more full rotation for people to unlock the Teleports/finish the Fated Raids before Prepatch.

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I mean, you still don't have precise pixel movement for stuff. Just having to drag it and hope it looks good and even suuuucks.

They could at least have a system to make it align to other UI elements. Imo we do need precision movement, the ability to link blocks (so you can move them together) and for everything to be available for editing; right now the quest/achievement tracking, bags, menu and xp/rep bars cannot be moved at all.

[Makorus]

They could at least have a system to make it align to other UI elements. Imo we do need precision movement, the ability to link blocks (so you can move them together) and for everything to be available for editing; right now the quest/achievement tracking, bags, menu and xp/rep bars cannot be moved at all.

Yeah, it's a great start, but the way it is right now, I'll still use my old UI addons.

Trying to make two ability bars align is soooooooo annoying.

[Nymrohd]

Yeah, it's a great start, but the way it is right now, I'll still use my old UI addons.

Trying to make two ability bars align is soooooooo annoying.

I kind of hope we might get addons that build on Edit Mode. Because when it comes to ease of use, it really is solid.

[Nathanyel]

Evoker for other races was just a red herring to not have to give the final "no".

I doubt they even meant "other races", more likely there'll be more Visage body types to represent other mortal races.

[Gloriandus]

Unless they magically update the PTR/beta client with "here's a ton more of the UI revamp we've been holding out on" within the next couple of weeks, something tells me it'll ship in pre-patch "as is". I see a lot of big wish lists for the UI on the beta/PTR forums, but based on Blizzard's M.O., you just know that most of the requests will never be filled. They're going to do the bare minimum of a revamp, and call it good.

A snap feature seems like something you'd do right off the bat. Same with resizing individual elements instead of relying on the UI scale slider to handle it. Element fading is another; in Bartender, I have the micro menu faded out completely off in a corner, for example, but pops right in when I mouseover it.

I mean, they have a template in FF14's UI edit mode. Is that one overly granular for "normal" players? Maybe. But the options are THERE, and all they had to do is copy it. With Blizzard, though, we've come to understand that for every inch they give, they require a foot in return.

[Nymrohd]

I doubt they even meant "other races", more likely there'll be more Visage body types to represent other mortal races.

I mean Evoker even has talents that augment Dracthyr racials instead of Evoker abilities. The class is very much tied to the race. But more visage options should be possible down the line.

Personally I am far more interested in Dracthyr getting more classes. I'd switch my warrior to Dracthyr yesterday.

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Unless they magically update the PTR/beta client with "here's a ton more of the UI revamp we've been holding out on" within the next couple of weeks, something tells me it'll ship in pre-patch "as is". I see a lot of big wish lists for the UI on the beta/PTR forums, but based on Blizzard's M.O., you just know that most of the requests will never be filled. They're going to do the bare minimum of a revamp, and call it good.

A snap feature seems like something you'd do right off the bat. Same with resizing individual elements instead of relying on the UI scale slider to handle it. Element fading is another; in Bartender, I have the micro menu faded out completely off in a corner, for example, but pops right in when I mouseover it.

I mean, they have a template in FF14's UI edit mode. Is that one overly granular for "normal" players? Maybe. But the options are THERE, and all they had to do is copy it. With Blizzard, though, we've come to understand that for every inch they give, they require a foot in return.

Yeah I don't really expect them to add anything at this point. My wishlist would probably most go to addon makers. UI addons can be a bit daunting to use. If we had some solid UI addons that worked to augment edit mode though, I think they'd be much easier to use.

[Nyel]

I mean Evoker even has talents that augment Dracthyr racials instead of Evoker abilities. The class is very much tied to the race. But more visage options should be possible down the line.

Personally I am far more interested in Dracthyr getting more classes. I'd switch my warrior to Dracthyr yesterday.

I really don't think Dracthyr will ever get non-magic classes as they don't fulfill the fantasy Blizzard is imagining for them. Dracthyr are spellcasters, which only leaves the three light classes. And I don't expect Blizzard to give Dracthyr melee animations. They already have casting animations, so Priest, Warlock and Mage are easy. If we'll ever get more classes for them, I'm pretty sure it'll be just these three.

[Raetary]

I really don't think Dracthyr will ever get non-magic classes as they don't fulfill the fantasy Blizzard is imagining for them.

They are magically engineered lizard soldiers, physical combat is very much in their repertoire.

[Nyel]

They are magically engineered lizard soldiers, physical combat is very much in their repertoire.

And this is based on what exactly? Because the Dracthyr (Evoker) class fantasy is clearly centered around magic and not "real" hand-to-hand combat. The only thing where they are using their physical appearance in combat is when they're using their wings (and their tail, which is more of an afterthought though).

[huth]

They are magically engineered lizard soldiers, physical combat is very much in their repertoire.

I fail to see the connection. Soldier doesn't mean that somebody engages in physical combat. It means they are being paid for their work and that work being military in nature.

[Nymrohd]

And this is based on what exactly? Because the Dracthyr (Evoker) class fantasy is clearly centered around magic and not "real" hand-to-hand combat. The only thing where they are using their physical appearance in combat is when they're using their wings (and their tail, which is more of an afterthought though).

I mean if they were engineered to just be casters, shouldn't their forms be far smaller to make them more mobile, harder to target, easier to hide?

[Highlord Hanibuhl]

I recon based on how popular the Dracthyr will be, they will add new classes for them.

Do remember that some new (allied) races are not that popular, so it'd be smart to test the waters first.

EG: Zandalari and Void Elf are really popular, even more so than classic races such as Dwarves or Gnomes. But if it were as popular as Kul Tiran or Mechagnome, with less than a percentage of the playerbase playing them, it'd be a waste of resources to get them to play other classes.

That being said.. one can argue that the Dracthyr aren't played enough because of the Evoker-class, as this is also a factor that weighs in.