Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[ryanmahaffe]

You were correct!

Can we pretend I used my future seeing powers to predict this instead of just remembering what the leak said?

[Dracullus]

It was pretty obvious to me that group loot will have more modern rules that would prevent from snatching item you don't even need. But I see from wowhead comments still some people have problem with understanding system even after this blue post.

So in general, positives changes are: no more "do you neeeeeeed?" and whispers; yep I clicked 'need', I need this; and second, this will discourage class stacking. Only big problem I see are weapon types that only few specs use, like bows/guns for 2 hunter or warglaives for 2 demon hunter specs.

Please be goood. Please be good. Please.. please, please please PLEASEEE be a good expansion..!! Don't be another BFA and don't be another Shadowlands. 2 bad expansions in a row.

Don't worry, you will find something to call DF worst shit ever created. Probably when you find out that flying mounts have gravity or sth.

[Nymrohd]

It was pretty obvious to me that group loot will have more modern rules that would prevent from snatching item you don't even need. But I see from wowhead comments still some people have problem with understanding system even after this blue post.

I mean this https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...-1/1352473/363 should have been posted with the blog.
I still think that making everything more opaque removes some of the potential for drama among players which is what Personal Loot did.

[Kiria]

I've finally been chosen

[Makabreska]

Necrotic hasn't been that bad in it's latest form. Don't really understand why they deemed it obsolete.

There was a literal tank draught in LFG on each Necrotic week. If affix makes people not play, than something is wrong.

[Raetary]

I've finally been chosen

Congratz.

All i got is the crappy wrath beta, 5 days before launch, for which i never even signed up for.

[Kiria]

Congratz.

All i got is the crappy wrath beta, 5 days before launch, for which i never even signed up for.

I won't lie it's very unstable, I have almost finished creating a character 3 times and its dc'd me.

[Lahis]

Fuck it. Not getting mg into thia beta. I suppose I need to wait for launch to see if Evoker is worth rerolling into.

[Nymrohd]

I won't lie it's very unstable, I have almost finished creating a character 3 times and its dc'd me.

Yeah this build is a disaster. Waking shore in particular is broken.

[Nyel]

Fuck it. Not getting mg into thia beta. I suppose I need to wait for launch to see if Evoker is worth rerolling into.

Depends on your expectations and how Blizzard is going to salvage what this class is supposed to be at launch. Tuning can only do so much and that's a big problem for Evoker still, but there's much more than just that - and they only have a few weeks left.

The Evoker feedback thread is massive, but it's worth digging through it (if you don't want to ready everything, just go over the 100-200 newest posts). Hint: general feedback about Evoker design is not good, for Devastation it's worse than for Preservation though. I'm going to main an Evoker healer, but I'm already sure I (aka Prevoker) will be dead weight in raids and higher mythic+ groups for the first content patches.

[micwini]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzar...on-boes-329108

So, can people now stop worrying about group loot?

Why? They doubled down on the fact that this is not just for testing. None of these points fix the issues that were back in LFR Dragon Soul.
You can easily switch "MAIN spec" mid fight to get an item for the spec you're not playing.

With personal loot, you roll against a computer, not against other players. You don't take away loot from others if you get an item with personal loot. This WILL BE the case with group loot.

Why do some people have such a hard time reading this specific thing you underlined? I don't get it.

[Avikur]

Nope, still not in beta, damn it!

[Lady Atia]

Why? They doubled down on the fact that this is not just for testing. None of these points fix the issues that were back in LFR Dragon Soul.
You can easily switch "MAIN spec" mid fight to get an item for the spec you're not playing.

With personal loot, you roll against a computer, not against other players. You don't take away loot from others if you get an item with personal loot. This WILL BE the case with group loot.

Why do some people have such a hard time reading this specific thing you underlined? I don't get it.

Ok, now you surely are trolling, right?

Because there is no difference between someone getting an item via persoloot who than keeps it (although in your words, he doesn't need said item), or someone rolling need for an item that IN YOUR EYES is not needed. At the end of the day, it's not your decision to make if someone else needs an item anyways, they helped down the boss as much as you. And they don't take away any loot if they press need, not more than with perso loot anyways. Atleast with group loot, you can't get the same item twice anymore.

Stop being entitled, you are not the loot police. And Blizzard already has a mainspec > offspec > no need prio system with their new rolls anyways.

Oh also, just because people are currently playing spec X doesn't mean they don't want to actually play spec Y, or plan to do so but need a certain weapon first, that's why they have the mainspec / offspec system. You know, people are allowed to play more than one role ...

[Nymrohd]

And Blizzard already has a mainspec > offspec > no need prio system with their new rolls anyways.

That system is pointless when you can switch what mainspec means at will.

[micwini]

Ok, now you surely are trolling, right?

Because there is no difference between someone getting an item via persoloot who than keeps it (although in your words, he doesn't need said item), or someone rolling need for an item that IN YOUR EYES is not needed. At the end of the day, it's not your decision to make if someone else needs an item anyways, they helped down the boss as much as you. And they don't take away any loot if they press need, not more than with perso loot anyways. Atleast with group loot, you can't get the same item twice anymore.

Stop being entitled, you are not the loot police. And Blizzard already has a mainspec > offspec > no need prio system with their new rolls anyways.

Oh also, just because people are currently playing spec X doesn't mean they don't want to actually play spec Y, or plan to do so but need a certain weapon first, that's why they have the mainspec / offspec system. You know, people are allowed to play more than one role ...

It seems you can't read, so Im not going to discuss this further with you.

[Lady Atia]

It seems you can't read, so Im not going to discuss this further with you.

Ehm, you ok buddy? Because I answered your complains, it seems like you are the one who has nothing against my arguments so you are back to "QQ me stops talking now".

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That system is pointless when you can switch what mainspec means at will.

Well, you still have to decide on a "per boss" basis what spec you want. Is the issue that someone could get a shield, 1h and 2h from the same raid night? Because same could happen right now with perso loot too, you know?^^

Also, I'm quite sure you have to set your loot spec before the loot dropps. You can't just switch if you see your offspec weapon, lol.

[Lahis]

Well, you still have to decide on a "per boss" basis what spec you want. Is the issue that someone could get a shield, 1h and 2h from the same raid night? Because same could happen right now with perso loot too, you know?^^

With personal loot you are not taking it from anyone.

In group loot, other people can actively see all loot and see this one guy need rolling on everything

[Nymrohd]

With personal loot you are not taking it from anyone.

In group loot, other people can actively see all loot and see this one guy need rolling on everything

It really is this. By making the system opaque, Personal loot directed all the player's distaste (or at least most of it) with their loot experience to the system. Any form of system that gives players agency however and they will blame each other for everything. It is harmful to the community.

[Gorsameth]

Exactly, even if a system internally works exactly the same player perception is a very important thing. The way you user perceives what happens is much more important to them then the technical way it happens behind the scenes.

[Avikur]

Ok, now you surely are trolling, right?

Because there is no difference between someone getting an item via persoloot who than keeps it (although in your words, he doesn't need said item), or someone rolling need for an item that IN YOUR EYES is not needed. At the end of the day, it's not your decision to make if someone else needs an item anyways, they helped down the boss as much as you. And they don't take away any loot if they press need, not more than with perso loot anyways. Atleast with group loot, you can't get the same item twice anymore.

Stop being entitled, you are not the loot police. And Blizzard already has a mainspec > offspec > no need prio system with their new rolls anyways.

Oh also, just because people are currently playing spec X doesn't mean they don't want to actually play spec Y, or plan to do so but need a certain weapon first, that's why they have the mainspec / offspec system. You know, people are allowed to play more than one role ...

I don't agree with this, if they press need and don't actually need it then they absolutely are taking it away from someone who does. At least with personal loot it is a system that is giving loot to people that may not 'need' it rather than a person choosing to be greedy or selfish.

When in a PUG or LFR, If someone needs loot for their main spec then absolutely, they should roll 'need' - if it's for an off spec, to sell for gold, to give to a friend or for transmog then it should be greed imo.

My hope is that blizzard tune the amount of loot that drops based on the fact people will 'ninja' loot so more drops to account for that than when using personal loot although I worry that won't be the case and it'll actually be harder to get loot.