Justice for Helya.

[Grazrug]

As it seems. Odyn was a lying idiotbag and did nothing but keep the mortal in the dark about pretty much everything. He is the true villain of this game and the entire community owes Helya an apology for treating her like that. Helya should be made much more sympathatic since all she wanted is to get back at the prime designate for twisting and torturing her. When will give Blizzard us the opportunity to get quests from her and hunt down Odyn?

[Nymrohd]

As it seems. Odyn was a lying idiotbag and did nothing but keep the mortal in the dark about pretty much everything. He is the true villain of this game and the entire community owes Helya an apology for treating her like that. Helya should be made much more sympathatic since all she wanted is to get back at the prime designate for twisting and torturing her. When will give Blizzard us the opportunity to get quests from her and hunt down Odyn?

Yeah but she went about getting back on Odyn by torturing the souls of his followers. What did they do to her?

[Grazrug]

Yeah but she went about getting back on Odyn by torturing the souls of his followers. What did they do to her?

They willingly eat up his lies and aided him in massing an army for his personal gain instead of trusting the dragons that they can keep holding watch over Azeroth on their own. The Valarjar are basically a massive fanclub meant to spread the glory of Odyn by the sword.

[Rendark]

When will give Blizzard us the opportunity to get quests from her and hunt down Odyn?

Never because that's dumb.

[Grazrug]

Never because that's dumb.

It is clearly that Helya was in the right all along. People should suspect Odyn was up to something shady when he sent assassins to take down two Vrykul children before they were old enough to lead the Tideskorn.

[Aucald]

Yeah but she went about getting back on Odyn by torturing the souls of his followers. What did they do to her?

Not just Odyn's followers, but Helheim has unrelated souls in it like Tuskarr, various types of animals and other fauna, and even the souls of assorted dwarves, tauren, Forsaken, and humans. Helya's not picky when it comes to claiming souls to deposit in her little corner of hell.

[Lolites]

eh... what? Odyn being dick doesnt make Helya good person...
they were adversaries, but they were both shitty, so no, Helya doesnt deserve apology after trying to kill US few times, and torturing innocent souls...

[Aucald]

It is clearly that Helya was in the right all along. People should suspect Odyn was up to something shady when he sent assassins to take down two Vrykul children before they were old enough to lead the Tideskorn.

What Odyn did to Helya was monstrous, and Odyn is terrible because of it in addition to an assortment of other reasons. Guy's just sort of an all-around git, really. Unfortunately, Helya became the monster that Odyn made her, and in succumbing to rage and despair, she became something that's also not worthy of emulation or continued existence. Helya could've stood down when she managed to successfully curse and trap Odyn for thousands of years - but in pursuing her vengeance to the max, she became a force that was just as evil and capricious as he is.

[Jester Joe]

Odyn making questionable/outright wrong decisions though doesn't change that at the end of the day, he's still at least on the side of protecting Azeroth and he was a big part of repelling the Legion even.

Helya was basically on the Legion's side on the other hand, and as found out in Shadowlands, she was intentionally assisting them and not just out of spite.


There is no "justice" for that.

[Grazrug]

Odyn making questionable/outright wrong decisions though doesn't change that at the end of the day, he's still at least on the side of protecting Azeroth and he was a big part of repelling the Legion even.

Helya was basically on the Legion's side on the other hand, and as found out in Shadowlands, she was intentionally assisting them and not just out of spite.


There is no "justice" for that.

Where? Odyn participating in the battle didn't change the outcome. The final stretch on Argus was soley done by the army of the light.

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What Odyn did to Helya was monstrous, and Odyn is terrible because of it in addition to an assortment of other reasons. Guy's just sort of an all-around git, really. Unfortunately, Helya became the monster that Odyn made her, and in succumbing to rage and despair, she became something that's also not worthy of emulation or continued existence. Helya could've stood down when she managed to successfully curse and trap Odyn for thousands of years - but in pursuing her vengeance to the max, she became a force that was just as evil and capricious as he is.

A fitting revenge would be having Odyn removed entirley. Just like Loken Odyn became corrupted and even dismissed the wisdom from all the other keepers thinking making his private army would be better then just letting the dragons handle the protection of Azeroth. Now the dragons are on their way of getting their power back which makes Odyn's decision even look more stupid then before.

[Rustedsaint]

No, she’s was originally a vrykrul who all were preety much racist assholes at the time, so I doubt she was a pure innocent maiden who didn’t do nuffin to all other local life.
Yes odyn is an ass who done horrible things he thought would allow him to help Azeroth thou we saw in shadowlands that he was misled by the jailer/troll god.
this doesn’t excuse how she went around killing, trapping souls and corrupting people.
Helya probably gonna get some storyline later on since she currently sealed away and we gonna need her to find something.

[Rendark]

It is clearly that Helya was in the right all along. People should suspect Odyn was up to something shady when he sent assassins to take down two Vrykul children before they were old enough to lead the Tideskorn.

Helya is an evil bitch that teamed up with nipple man to kill all life everywhere. I don't feel bad for her at all.

[Super Dickmann]

I will disavow any expansion where Odyn stops getting away with it. That he's both a massive hypocrite and fairly inept but is still chugging along is a running joke by this point.

[Grazrug]

I will disavow any expansion where Odyn stops getting away with. That he's both a massive hypocrite and fairly inept but is still chugging along is a running joke by this point.

You and me mate. We think the same way.

[Mehrunes]

Odyn is textbook example on how Blizzard's moralization is a joke, because whenever they upfront decide a character is evil, everyone opposing them automatically becomes justified and faces no repercussions. Helya's evil? Welp, then Odyn being the proto-Lich King is just water under the bridge. No comeuppance will ever reach him. Even for him threatening the fate of the entire world by giving a Skovald one more chance (that Odyn pulled out of his ass on the spot, even though it completely contradicted the point of the trials) to get the Aegis to satiate his VALOR fetish.

An earlier example would by Vol'jin (and his squad) back in Cata and MoP, who went as far as threatening his Warchief with death, yet the story did not follow the logical path of Garrosh punishing him for his transgression, because Garrosh was deemed to be the future villain so the story had to bend over backwards around the people opposing him even years before Garrosh became a raid boss (which Blizzard even later lampshaded by having none other than Baine the human footstool proclaim in the front of the entire world that under Horde law Vol'jin deserved the death penalty for that).

[Aucald]

A fitting revenge would be having Odyn removed entirley. Just like Loken Odyn became corrupted and even dismissed the wisdom from all the other keepers thinking making his private army would be better then just letting the dragons handle the protection of Azeroth. Now the dragons are on their way of getting their power back which makes Odyn's decision even look more stupid then before.

I'm kind of hoping that if the Dragon Aspects regain their power in Dragonflight then they and a somehow reconstituted Tyr can seal Odyn back inside Skyhold and seal the door shut this time, with maybe an impenetrable window so he can stare out onto Azeroth and see the world getting along just fine without him. I think that'd actually be even better than death for Odyn, just an eternal slow-burn as he realizes how useless he is.

[Jester Joe]

Where? Odyn participating in the battle didn't change the outcome. The final stretch on Argus was soley done by the army of the light.

He destroyed the ship invasion in Stormheim.

I said repel, not defeat.

[loras]

Odyn is like the Boris Johnson of WoW.
Everybody hates on him but somehow the alternatives manage to be yet worse and also we somehow cannot seem to get rid of him.

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As it seems. Odyn was a lying idiotbag and did nothing but keep the mortal in the dark about pretty much everything. He is the true villain of this game and the entire community owes Helya an apology for treating her like that. Helya should be made much more sympathatic since all she wanted is to get back at the prime designate for twisting and torturing her. When will give Blizzard us the opportunity to get quests from her and hunt down Odyn?

To be fair we did fuck up more than a few rather reasonable things, as did the dragons, keeping us in the dark was not a bad call.

And Helya was always sorta sympathetic, right up until the point where her evil literally deformed her far further than Odyn ever could. Being a soul snatching monster spawning yet more monstrosities just isn't too endearing, you know what i mean?
Having a reason to go evil and insane is not the same as somehow not being evil and insane, you still need to be put down, not apologised to.

[Grazrug]

I'm kind of hoping that if the Dragon Aspects regain their power in Dragonflight then they and a somehow reconstituted Tyr can seal Odyn back inside Skyhold and seal the door shut this time, with maybe an impenetrable window so he can stare out onto Azeroth and see the world getting along just fine without him. I think that'd actually be even better than death for Odyn, just an eternal slow-burn as he realizes how useless he is.

Some people speculate Odyn might be the final boss of the expansion. I would cheer on that if that really happens.

[Le Conceptuel]

They willingly eat up his lies and aided him in massing an army for his personal gain instead of trusting the dragons that they can keep holding watch over Azeroth on their own. The Valarjar are basically a massive fanclub meant to spread the glory of Odyn by the sword.

Willingly being lied to seems like something of a self-contradictory concept, isn't it? Sure, there's doublethink and whathaveyou, but that doesn't seem to be the case for Odyn, whose only deceptions appear to be of the purely-factual nature rather than any kind of ideological doublethink.