Dragonflight Legacies: Chapter One

[FelPlague]

Seemed kinda cheap and I don't really understand the appeal of the new character.

Why would an aspect take on such a passive tone? Hes still one of the most powerful forces in lore.

"Why would norzdomu take on such a passive tone" have you never met the guy? He's humble as fuck boi was shown his own death, the death of the universe, and all he loves, and knows it will be partially his fault, and exactly how it will go down. Whole point of the bronze flight is their humility, that they need to be as neutral and unbias as possible in order to keep the timeline secure.

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I fucking love people who scream retcon every time we learn new information.

Fun fact for you guys.

If we know something happened, but not why it happened.

Then later learn why it happened. That is not a fucking retcon, that is new information.

[Kuntantee]

Do you honestly think the first part of a five-part series not including every single detail is ‘story drip feeding’? Are you seriously so disconnected from storytelling that you demand, what, a wikipedia summary of lore?

Drip-feeding is being generous. They basically told no story in this chapter. Just re-watch Lords of War/Warbingers/Harbingers before attempting to form an argument again.

[Alanious]

The fact remains the Writer is a retard that keeps ruining the lore. He comes up with stupid shit all the time and there isn't anyone that's questioning his biased storylines. Shadowlands made no sense and everything tied to it from prior expansions didn't even hint it would be so disconnected from the others or this one. Dragonflight is going to be a failure........

[Al Gorefiend]

It was NOT unknown. The story of Galakrond and the Aspects is literally explained in the Dawn of the Aspects.So all that yogg-saron BS is just another stupid retcon

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Yes it absolutely was.

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Old Gods aren't capable of necromancy. They're literally physical manifestations of Void magic, not Death magic.

Shadowlands story was poor, but what exactly was retconned?

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https://www.wowhead.com/quest=65656/call-to-lordaeron
Not exactly in quest dialogue but during the quest line two npcs discuss how all magic can animate corpses. It’s not that they can use power from the realm of death, it’s that they can use void magic to get the same effect.
Like how void elf’s were animating the dead during bfa

There was a quest in Shadowlands where a lich tells us necromancy is necromancy but multiple forces can use it, not death Magic exclusively.

A paladin resurrecting for example is necromancy, reversing death, animating corpses, same type of magic.

I really can't recall the source but it was posted here on mmo-c I'll have to do some digging.

[thilicen]

Wow, never guessed it was a dracthyr before the grand reveal at the end there.... And thanks for the warning Noz, good of you not to leave out a single detail lol.

[TheRevenantHero]

Shadowlands story was poor, but what exactly was retconned?

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There was a quest in Shadowlands where a lich tells us necromancy is necromancy but multiple forces can use it, not death Magic exclusively.

A paladin resurrecting for example is necromancy, reversing death, animating corpses, same type of magic.

I really can't recall the source but it was posted here on mmo-c I'll have to do some digging.

The Shadowlands prior to the expansion was just a shadowy version of whatever land you're in. We went to the Shadowlands numerous times for quests in the past. Also, apparently Sylvanas had been working with the Jailer since Edge of Night even though it was stated that raising undead prevents a soul from moving on. How could she had been funneling power to the Jailer for all this time when she was raising undead left and right? Those are the two really really big ones.

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https://www.wowhead.com/quest=65656/call-to-lordaeron
Not exactly in quest dialogue but during the quest line two npcs discuss how all magic can animate corpses. It’s not that they can use power from the realm of death, it’s that they can use void magic to get the same effect.
Like how void elf’s were animating the dead during bfa

So it's just speculation and not explicitly said.

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We've seen the fel-powered Legion using Death and Void magic before.

Also, the novel was written by god damn Knaak, creator of Rhonin and his bloody sentient-psychic-teleporting-raptor squad. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if he was the one responsible for cocking things up.

The Legion aren't embodiments of a certain type of magic. They are just corrupted beings. Old Gods are literally physical manifestations of Void magic.

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The Nerhbians are not faceless ones, the curse of flesh is closer to life magic than to death magic, and as far as i'm aware we were never let in on the reasoning behind using saronite to build ICC while the jailer's fight clearly shows it to be a potent death conduit.

And "of course it's going to rend flesh and soul" is another pretty big hint at" "Hey this guy would have no trouble at all wieldong death magic.".

Why would he even need to intimidate, especially if he's insane? Most old gods hardly seem aware of us due to their "sentience" being all over time and place. If anything the whispers and all that are more manifestations of their own being flitting around.

And between the devs stating Yogg's relation to be poorly explored and the heavy presence of his literal blood in nearly all death related objects and places (including the cavern in which frostmourne lay) it is a bold claim to say Yogg has no relation to death magic.
Especially with him hurling literal plague during his fight.

Yogg-Saron didn't create undead Nerubians, The Lich King did. The Curse of Flesh is the only disease the Old Gods ever created and it's not Death magic. And we absolutely were told why saronite was used and it was because Light literally can't affect it, it's heavily resistant to other forms of magic, and being in close proximity of it causes mortals to go insane. Void energy is all about rending souls, just look at Warlocks and Shadow Priests. It has nothing to do with Death magic.

The Old Gods wield fear and madness. That's why. And disease/plague isn't inherently Death magic. I'm sorry but there is no way I'm willing to say that a physical embodiment of Void energy is capable of Death magic especially since the Old Gods have never exhibited any capablility with it.

[Celement]

"Why would norzdomu take on such a passive tone" have you never met the guy? He's humble as fuck boi was shown his own death, the death of the universe, and all he loves, and knows it will be partially his fault, and exactly how it will go down. Whole point of the bronze flight is their humility, that they need to be as neutral and unbias as possible in order to keep the timeline secure.

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I fucking love people who scream retcon every time we learn new information.

Fun fact for you guys.

If we know something happened, but not why it happened.

Then later learn why it happened. That is not a fucking retcon, that is new information.

I mean there are several ret cons in it...

[FelPlague]

I mean there are several ret cons in it...

What is being retconned in this cinematic?
Galakrond was corrupted and twisted, he was a cannibal who was able to make and raise zombie dragons, he was killed by having a rock shoved down his throat, the dragon aspects were protodrakes who got transformed into dragon aspects by the titan keepers as thanks.

Where is the several retcons?

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The Curse of Flesh is the only disease the Old Gods ever created and it's not Death magic. And we absolutely were told why saronite was used and it was because Light literally can't affect it, it's heavily resistant to other forms of magic, and being in close proximity of it causes mortals to go insane. Void energy is all about rending souls, just look at Warlocks and Shadow Priests. It has nothing to do with Death magic.

The Old Gods wield fear and madness. That's why. And disease/plague isn't inherently Death magic. I'm sorry but there is no way I'm willing to say that a physical embodiment of Void energy is capable of Death magic especially since the Old Gods have never exhibited any capablility with it.

1- they dont need to, again as labled before, you dont need to use death magic to make zombies.

2- the curse of flesh was not their only disease, they made many, ghuun was literally all about them, do you also forget the emerald nightmare? one of its own.

[TheRevenantHero]

What is being retconned in this cinematic?
Galakrond was corrupted and twisted, he was a cannibal who was able to make and raise zombie dragons, he was killed by having a rock shoved down his throat, the dragon aspects were protodrakes who got transformed into dragon aspects by the titan keepers as thanks.

Where is the several retcons?

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1- they dont need to, again as labled before, you dont need to use death magic to make zombies.

2- the curse of flesh was not their only disease, they made many, ghuun was literally all about them, do you also forget the emerald nightmare? one of its own.

G'huun was created by the Titans and therefore is far different when compared to the other Old Gods. And the Nightmare isn't a disease. Why do you insist on commenting on this if you're going to make wrong statements?

[FelPlague]

G'huun was created by the Titans and therefore is far different when compared to the other Old Gods. And the Nightmare isn't a disease. Why do you insist on commenting on this if you're going to make wrong statements?

Ghuun is still an old god.

What would you consider the emerald nightmare then? A thing that spreads and weakens and then consumes those it corrupts, Literally a realm of death decay and nightmare.

[Iheartnathanos]

Drip-feeding is being generous. They basically told no story in this chapter. Just re-watch Lords of War/Warbingers/Harbingers before attempting to form an argument again.

It may surprise you but veteran lore nerds are not the primary audience - for lore noobs and new players, the origins of the Flights is orientating information. I really don’t understand this drip feeding nonsense in this context - over the course of BFA and Shadowlands, yes, it was worst than dripfeeding, it was this meaningless Ambramsian hints at nothing with the Sylv plot, but here its literally part 1 of a 5 part series letting the audience know some dragon lore.

[Mic_128]

The Legion aren't embodiments of a certain type of magic. They are just corrupted beings. Old Gods are literally physical manifestations of Void magic.

Fair enough, but as someone earlier said, we've seen Void magic used to reanimate the dead a number of times. There's no reason why Old Gods can't.

[TheRevenantHero]

Fair enough, but as someone earlier said, we've seen Void magic used to reanimate the dead a number of times. There's no reason why Old Gods can't.

That's not necromancy, though. Necromancy is specifically Death magic. Also, Yogg-saron has never shown any abilities that allowed him to create undead.

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Ghuun is still an old god.

What would you consider the emerald nightmare then? A thing that spreads and weakens and then consumes those it corrupts, Literally a realm of death decay and nightmare.

G'huun is only technically an Old God. It wasn't created by the Void Lords, though, so they're not going to have the same capabilities as OTHER Old Gods.

The Emerald Nightmare is a curse, not a disease or a plague.

[Celement]

What is being retconned in this cinematic?
Galakrond was corrupted and twisted, he was a cannibal who was able to make and raise zombie dragons, he was killed by having a rock shoved down his throat, the dragon aspects were protodrakes who got transformed into dragon aspects by the titan keepers as thanks.

Where is the several retcons?

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1- they dont need to, again as labled before, you dont need to use death magic to make zombies.

2- the curse of flesh was not their only disease, they made many, ghuun was literally all about them, do you also forget the emerald nightmare? one of its own.

They faught them with the watchers is what I spyed.

[Mic_128]

That's not necromancy, though. Necromancy is specifically Death magic.

Aside from the fact that we have had a few instances of people in-lore saying that Necromancy just needs magic, not a specific type of magic, and examples such as Calia to back that up, as well as that BFA quest with creating undead/reanimating bones/[insert thesaurus here]

Also, Yogg-saron has never shown any abilities that allowed him to create undead.

Just because he hasn't, doesn't mean he can't.

Even then, so what? Yogg Saron wasn't the one resurrecting undead proto-dragons, Galakrond was. There's nothing saying he can't use the Void to create zombie dragons the same way those blood elves in BFA used the Void to make zombie dinosaurs.

[FelPlague]

They faught them with the watchers is what I spyed.

No?

Tyr tried earlier but failed to kill him, the aspects came in later and did the job.

[Nymrohd]

No school of magic effect is limited to a specific source of magic. WoW never explained magic to that extent in the first place so all we have is what we have experience in novels and in the game. Necromancy is traditionally considered magic that manipulates bodies and souls. We have evidence of practically every Force using clearly necromantic effects. Fel can destroy souls and extract power from them, Light can resurrect the dead and create Light-based undead (Calia), Order is the Force that power standard arcane-based necromancy (the early efforts of Kel'Thuzad), Void can animate corpses and puppeteer them (Umbric in Zandalar), corrupt and deform bodies (numerous examples), Death can do all of the above. Heck even Life can use Necromancy (we've seen parasites reanimate corpses, that would be Life magic).

[TheRevenantHero]

Aside from the fact that we have had a few instances of people in-lore saying that Necromancy just needs magic, not a specific type of magic, and examples such as Calia to back that up, as well as that BFA quest with creating undead/reanimating bones/[insert thesaurus here]



Just because he hasn't, doesn't mean he can't.

Even then, so what? Yogg Saron wasn't the one resurrecting undead proto-dragons, Galakrond was. There's nothing saying he can't use the Void to create zombie dragons the same way those blood elves in BFA used the Void to make zombie dinosaurs.

We've had NPCs SPECULATE but not outright say it. Even the Void nonsense Umbridge was pulling wasn't necromancy as what he was creating wasn't classified as undead. Necromancy's other name is death magic. It's....pretty clear that necromancy is specifically drawing on Death.

And again, Yogg-saron is an Old God. Old Gods are physical manifestations of Void energy. Without the ability to channel Death magic, he can't create undead.

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No school of magic effect is limited to a specific source of magic. WoW never explained magic to that extent in the first place so all we have is what we have experience in novels and in the game. Necromancy is traditionally considered magic that manipulates bodies and souls. We have evidence of practically every Force using clearly necromantic effects. Fel can destroy souls and extract power from them, Light can resurrect the dead and create Light-based undead (Calia), Order is the Force that power standard arcane-based necromancy (the early efforts of Kel'Thuzad), Void can animate corpses and puppeteer them (Umbric in Zandalar), corrupt and deform bodies (numerous examples), Death can do all of the above. Heck even Life can use Necromancy (we've seen parasites reanimate corpses, that would be Life magic).

Literally your entire post is objectively wrong because only Death magic can create undead. Every other school cannot create anything that would be classified as undead.

[Nymrohd]

Literally your entire post is objectively wrong because only Death magic can create undead. Every other school cannot create anything that would be classified as undead.

First off, Necromancy goes beyond the creation of undead. Second, the necromancy used by former Kirin Tor members was based on the Arcane Force which is what Mages learn to use. Third we have seen numerous creatures classified as undead created by other Forces; just as recently as BfA we had Calia Menethil (Light-based Undead), and a reanimated undead T-Rex in Zandalar (Void-based Undead).
I mean you can deny canon all you want but it is what it is.

Death magic also goes beyond Necromancy. The Maldraxxi use Death Magic for Alchemy, Insciption and Enchantment on a great scale.

[Tiwack]

Cata story 2.0, I guess. I'll look forward to that Spine of Galakrond fight.