Caster Paladin with (permanent) Tyr's Deliverance - strong + fun?

[Nyel]

Title.

I just logged onto my Paladin in pre-patch and played a bit around with Holy and it's quite fun? I've always hated the melee Paladin, that's why I chose the caster path with the Holy Light Build. And with Tyr's Deliverance becoming almost a permanent DoT even further increasing FL/HL healing, the whole build is kinda fun and strong? Never been that huge of a fan of the Glimmer / Holy Shock build.

What do y'all think about this type of build?

[Thundering]

maybe link the build?

[Ryzeth]

Suffice it to say there's a reason it's not a meta build. Glimmer and Maraad are just better, sorry.

It'll probably work for content you don't care about parsing / contributing much for.

[Nyel]

Suffice it to say there's a reason it's not a meta build. Glimmer and Maraad are just better, sorry.

It'll probably work for content you don't care about parsing / contributing much for.

So it'll work more than fine for 99,99% of the entire playerbase. "Contributing much for"? You sound like this is 50% worse than the alternatives, lol. Nummerically better doesn't mean better or easier to play, which is the main goal for the overwhelming amount of players in WoW. Especially the Maraad build is so random that I doubt most players would even consider it. But that's just a personal take.

[Ryzeth]

So it'll work more than fine for 99,99% of the entire playerbase. "Contributing much for"? You sound like this is 50% worse than the alternatives, lol. Nummerically better doesn't mean better or easier to play, which is the main goal for the overwhelming amount of players in WoW. Especially the Maraad build is so random that I doubt most players would even consider it. But that's just a personal take.

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You're, of course, free to play whatever you want. But if you're going to ask if something's better/worse I'd suggest actually showing what you're asking about. I.e., link a build that you're thinking of. Also, I said it'd "probably work", just don't expect to perform as well as other builds in content that actually "matters". E.g., pvp / mythic / mythic+ above like 17-18/19 (which is far more people than what you seem to realise)

[crusadernero]

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You're, of course, free to play whatever you want. But if you're going to ask if something's better/worse I'd suggest actually showing what you're asking about. I.e., link a build that you're thinking of. Also, I said it'd "probably work", just don't expect to perform as well as other builds in content that actually "matters". E.g., pvp / mythic / mythic+ above like 17-18/19 (which is far more people than what you seem to realise)

I think the takeway, and the point, is that people can now in greater sense make theyre "own" builds. Have fun with it, test out stuff, find builds that suits you and all that.

I also think we all know that for most content, and for most players, meta builds aint really required. But, I think also most players that dwelves into the game and wants to progress, realise that metabuilds are essential part of it.

Its rather normal that once players start moving towards really challenging content that they make sure they are 100% ready. Hopefully atleast heh.

[Ealyssa]

So... Maybe link the build ? Talk about actual performance ?

I can't see the point of this blog post. What is to discuss here ?

[Howlk]

Nummerically better doesn't mean better or easier to play, which is the main goal for the overwhelming amount of players in WoW.

Do whatever - its Prepatch, best time to play around test. IF you get booted for underpreformance for the 10th time from a group you may start considering other builds.

[Ryzeth]

I think the takeway, and the point, is that people can now in greater sense make theyre "own" builds. Have fun with it, test out stuff, find builds that suits you and all that.

I also think we all know that for most content, and for most players, meta builds aint really required. But, I think also most players that dwelves into the game and wants to progress, realise that metabuilds are essential part of it.

Its rather normal that once players start moving towards really challenging content that they make sure they are 100% ready. Hopefully atleast heh.

I mean. They could have always made their own builds. "New" talent trees are only new in a UI sense. For the vast majority of it, it's talents we already had the option of, passives we already had, combined with various conduit / legendary / tier effects into one "new" talent tree. With only a handful of actually new nodes.

Judging by this guy's comment about "99.99% of players" and lack of any links or any real questions... I'm wagering he doesn't actually want a productive conversation. That, or he's not concerned with clearing anything remotely hard. In which case the build he uses is meaningless anyway.

PS: I'm not saying these trees are bad or anything, but many people seem to be acting as though these are new and innovative stuff. There's still gonna be cookie cutter meta builds, just like there's literally always been. (and his suggested build isn't one of them)

[crusadernero]

I mean. They could have always made their own builds. "New" talent trees are only new in a UI sense. For the vast majority of it, it's talents we already had the option of, passives we already had, combined with various conduit / legendary / tier effects into one "new" talent tree. With only a handful of actually new nodes.

Judging by this guy's comment about "99.99% of players" and lack of any links or any real questions... I'm wagering he doesn't actually want a productive conversation. That, or he's not concerned with clearing anything remotely hard. In which case the build he uses is meaningless anyway.

PS: I'm not saying these trees are bad or anything, but many people seem to be acting as though these are new and innovative stuff. There's still gonna be cookie cutter meta builds, just like there's literally always been. (and his suggested build isn't one of them)

Oh yes, I agree with that. I logged on my Paladin and skimmed through the talents, tried out stuff. It wasnt really THAT innovative or new. lots of spells are old ones, passive ones, etc. There are nuances ofc, but not that big of a deal. Atleast some talent choices is interesting and do have impact, but for the most part.. Its rather clean almost no matter what you do.

Blizzard might try to hit that sweet spot were people can choose specs on theyre own, making theyre own playstyle, without ruining the spec and making you unable to do content with it.

From my limited time of testing out Paladins holy talent tree, I feel that theres more options of going heavy dmg or lean more on healing. As someone who enjoys playing as holy in all content(yes all) with shield+wep, Its cool that I can build & save a offensive spec and defensive spec and change whenever.

I've cleared high content(especially m+) for years and talents has been the least worry. I almost have forgotten they excist, cause what I chose long time ago just works.

Might be the same with these talents, but with more options and creativity. Hopefully?

[Kithelle]

So... Maybe link the build ? Talk about actual performance ?

I can't see the point of this blog post. What is to discuss here ?

Probably just wanted a echo chamber like the people who insisted playing ret or enhancement in classic was a great idea

[Gasparde]

So it'll work more than fine for 99,99% of the entire playerbase.

Holy cum, everything works more than fine with that logic. For fucks sake, I'm pretty sure you could both heal and DPS throughout LFR without even having spent a single talent point and just using your basic Holy Light to heal people. Which obviously isn't the fucking point of the discussion though.

What is it with that constant need of people to remind everyone that shit players don't need optimized shit, instead they're fine to quest through Dragonflight solely spamming Fireball on their Frost Mage.

We get it, you're not a mythic raider, you can proudly write that into your resumee. Jesus Christ, the guy has obviously not made a forum post to ask whether he was allowed to spec a certain way in a leveling dungeon.

[Lochton]

Title.

I just logged onto my Paladin in pre-patch and played a bit around with Holy and it's quite fun? I've always hated the melee Paladin, that's why I chose the caster path with the Holy Light Build. And with Tyr's Deliverance becoming almost a permanent DoT even further increasing FL/HL healing, the whole build is kinda fun and strong? Never been that huge of a fan of the Glimmer / Holy Shock build.

What do y'all think about this type of build?

Got a build to share? I do enjoy shockadins more.

[Thundering]

Do whatever - its Prepatch, best time to play around test. IF you get booted for underpreformance for the 10th time from a group you may start considering other builds.

Kinda true but people are trying figure out playstyles the big issue is we got leg and cov abilities still making things look btter than they really are.