2022 Midterms

[Combatbutler]

Oh man, is this finally the good part? The part where the GOP realizes Trump is a one-time loser and abandons him? And realizing that signing a deal with a petty, selfish, vindictive man has consequences as he goes nuclear on the party while he seeks to maintain control?

Please?

They'll just pick the next piece of shit in line, Trump is just a symptom of a much deeper running problem.

[beanman12345]

For all of the memes about their fortnight dances and tiktok challenges, Gen Z is indeed a huge problem for the GOP.

Why would anyone in Gen Z vote for someone in the GOP moving forward? Unless they were raised in a conservative household (and even then they could easily jump political ship, as it were) there's very little reason for them to find any appeal in the republican party.

They don't have the luxury of an easy economy the baby boomers did where they're falsely swayed into thinking the government is the one keeping them from success. It's never been more patently obvious, especially to young working people, that greed from the corporate and housing sectors due to a lack of government control is what's keeping them down. They've no reason to believe that the vaunted "trickle down economics" they're supposed to be experiencing right now will somehow start to work out in their favor.

Gen Z also seems to be in fair lock-step against the various social boogeymen the GOP has constructed as well. They aren't afraid of gay people. They aren't afraid of minorities. They aren't disgusted by the thought of trans people. They don't have the same disdain for the poor and down-on-their-luck. They aren't as evangelized as the generations before them.

So I again posit, especially to any conservative posters around here... why in the hell would any young person vote for a republican? What could today's GOP possibly offer them to make their lives better?

They have none. And then you add on the crippling debt which Dems are trying to help all while GQP cry they are entitled babies and blocking any relief, they have no reason to vote GQP. Plus they want Healthcare, which they ain't getting with Republicans.

[Breccia]

Oh man, is this finally the good part? The part where the GOP realizes Trump is a one-time loser and abandons him? And realizing that signing a deal with a petty, selfish, vindictive man has consequences as he goes nuclear on the party while he seeks to maintain control?

Please?

If you're asking if they knew that already, the answer is yes.

If you're asking if they're doing something about it, what you're seeing right now isn't action but a call for action. Which means the answer is no.

[Edge-]

I gotta wonder with the Republican party finally starting to turn on Trump if we will see some of their party secretly start to help prosecutors going after him get a conviction to get the man out of the party. How do you remove a tumor that Trump is to the party, you throw it in prison. It would make it so you would no longer have a possible Trump v DeSantis scenario.

See, here's the fun thing with this: If they try to stab Trump in the back (so to say), he's absolutely taking everyone down with him because he's petty and vindictive.

So they're caught in between a rock and a hard place. One they put themselves in though, having continued to ignore the 2012 election post-mortem that Paul Ryan did which largely concluded, "Maybe being super racist and appealing only to racist white folks isn't a winning strategy in the longterm, guys." and then they went on to double down on that demographic and elected Trump.

[Gelannerai]

They'll just pick the next piece of shit in line, Trump is just a symptom of a much deeper running problem.

The problem is that the tumor has metastasized and taken a chunk of their base that’s too big to ignore with it. There’s a reason McConnell has been taking waspy little shots at GOP candidates and smooth-brains like MTG and Boebert. That’s his public, professional mask trying to stay cool while he’s actively shitting himself over what he has allowed to happen to the GOP.

[NED funded]

If Boebbert loses I want to be validated on my belief that predictions are useless

[CastletonSnob]

How much of DeSantis and Abbott’s wins are due to their states being red, and how much is due to Florida and Texas’s Democratic Party being incompetent?

[Deus Mortis]

See, here's the fun thing with this: If they try to stab Trump in the back (so to say), he's absolutely taking everyone down with him because he's petty and vindictive.

So they're caught in between a rock and a hard place. One they put themselves in though, having continued to ignore the 2012 election post-mortem that Paul Ryan did which largely concluded, "Maybe being super racist and appealing only to racist white folks isn't a winning strategy in the longterm, guys." and then they went on to double down on that demographic and elected Trump.

I am fine with Trump taking everyone out with him, maybe then the party could actually rebuild itself after a couple election cycles and turn itself into hopefully a respectable party. I know, I know, pigs will sooner be able to fly, but a man can hope.

[Gorsameth]

See, here's the fun thing with this: If they try to stab Trump in the back (so to say), he's absolutely taking everyone down with him because he's petty and vindictive.

So they're caught in between a rock and a hard place. One they put themselves in though, having continued to ignore the 2012 election post-mortem that Paul Ryan did which largely concluded, "Maybe being super racist and appealing only to racist white folks isn't a winning strategy in the longterm, guys." and then they went on to double down on that demographic and elected Trump.

They don't have a choice, the racists white folks are the majority of their voters and they can't pivot towards the center because the racist white folk majority keeps 'sane' people from winning primaries.

The leadership didn't want Trump, their voters forced Trump upon them.

(and yes that their voter base is made up of racist white folk is entirely their own fault and something they purposefully cultivated for decades, but now they are trapped by it)

[Linkedblade]

https://patch.com/minnesota/minneapo...ate-government
Minnesota's Democratic-Farmer-Labor party flipped the state Senate, and kept the House and Governor(governorship...?)
This was quite the relief to find out this morning, I hope everyone else's races are going well.

Yes, it's governorship. Strange sounding, but it's right.

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They don't have a choice, the racists white folks are the majority of their voters and they can't pivot towards the center because the racist white folk majority keeps 'sane' people from winning primaries.

The leadership didn't want Trump, their voters forced Trump upon them.

(and yes that their voter base is made up of racist white folk is entirely their own fault and something they purposefully cultivated for decades, but now they are trapped by it)

"Racists white folks" is nonsense like the "red wave." Complete and utter nonsense.

[cubby]

If DeSantis loses yes. but the horror scenario for the GOP is DeSantis winning over Trump and the latter then burying their chances at winning the general election by going full attack on the GOP, splitting their rabid base.


Which is also what makes the idea of the GOP having to do some soul searching hilarious. They are no longer in control of their own party. Their crazy voters, that they cultivated, decide who runs in elections. And they are not picking the moderates running on sense. They can't get away from 'stop the steal' without dumping the majority of their voters.

Ideally, for the Democrats/Humanity/the-world, DeSantis wins the GQP nomination, and then Trump runs a third party candidacy. Maybe even starts his own party. Maybe The Truth Party?

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Please, please further divorce from Trump so he can disappear. DeSantis is currently easier to beat, imo.

I don't know now. Trump seems like a yuge disaster for the GQP. Maybe keeping him around is a good idea.

[PC2]

If Boebbert loses I want to be validated on my belief that predictions are useless

I've validated that belief like a hundred times on this forum. The only way a person can reliably and deterministically predict the future is if they can give an exact explanation of every relevant part of the system in question and if they can explain why the future must unfold in one way and why it can't unfold in any other way.

Currently it looks like the Dems did good but the GOP could still gain more bargaining power if they win one of the chambers of Congress.

[Gorsameth]

Yes, it's governorship. Strange sounding, but it's right.

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"Racists white folks" is nonsense like the "red wave." Complete and utter nonsense.

Yes I'm sure its an utter coincidence that the GOP lost their minds and spawned the Tea Party, which morphed into y'all qaeda after the US elected its first black President.

Racist white folks were given undeniable proof they lost the race war and they lost their shit. That is what has brought us here today.

[Cthulhu 2020]

For all of the memes about their fortnight dances and tiktok challenges, Gen Z is indeed a huge problem for the GOP.

Why would anyone in Gen Z vote for someone in the GOP moving forward? Unless they were raised in a conservative household (and even then they could easily jump political ship, as it were) there's very little reason for them to find any appeal in the republican party.

They don't have the luxury of an easy economy the baby boomers did where they're falsely swayed into thinking the government is the one keeping them from success. It's never been more patently obvious, especially to young working people, that greed from the corporate and housing sectors due to a lack of government control is what's keeping them down. They've no reason to believe that the vaunted "trickle down economics" they're supposed to be experiencing right now will somehow start to work out in their favor.

Gen Z also seems to be in fair lock-step against the various social boogeymen the GOP has constructed as well. They aren't afraid of gay people. They aren't afraid of minorities. They aren't disgusted by the thought of trans people. They don't have the same disdain for the poor and down-on-their-luck. They aren't as evangelized as the generations before them.

So I again posit, especially to any conservative posters around here... why in the hell would any young person vote for a republican? What could today's GOP possibly offer them to make their lives better?

To be fair, there is a segment of the younger population who jumped on the Trump train because of "the memes". We've seen a few of these people in the politics subforum who cheer about how much Trump "Triggered the libs".

It's clear they have no interest in politics that actually affect their lives. The lack of critical thinking education in public schools has led to people actually voting for the memes.

But overall, Gen Z seems to be largely left.

[Gorsameth]

To be fair, there is a segment of the younger population who jumped on the Trump train because of "the memes". We've seen a few of these people in the politics subforum who cheer about how much Trump "Triggered the libs".

It's clear they have no interest in politics that actually affect their lives. The lack of critical thinking education in public schools has led to people actually voting for the memes.

But overall, Gen Z seems to be largely left.

I imagine the 'for the memes' part of Gen Z are those not actually finished with school and living an adult life on their own. They can afford to not give a shit about anything yet, that will change over time as they finish their education and meet the reality of life.

[Grapemask]

https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/s...07309334339586

Oh god is that Karl Rove in there? Has that guy not left us to hang out with his own kind, fellow minions on the lowest circle of hell?

[Kaleredar]

To be fair, there is a segment of the younger population who jumped on the Trump train because of "the memes". We've seen a few of these people in the politics subforum who cheer about how much Trump "Triggered the libs".

It's clear they have no interest in politics that actually affect their lives. The lack of critical thinking education in public schools has led to people actually voting for the memes.

But overall, Gen Z seems to be largely left.

I think the memelord kids who might crawl out of their parent's basements to vote every once in a blue moon aren't particularly engaged in politics because the weird "culture war" things they care about aren't really in any sort of legislation. And I don't think they are particularly numerous either.

The political drive for someone voting for a democrat because they want to keep their right to bodily autonomy or be able to marry who they want to marry is going to supersede the political drive of some asshat whose main gripe in life is that he doesn't like how they adapted a fantasy book series to have black people in it.

[Cthulhu 2020]

And I am not bitter and angry at him, I find him ridiculous. That is quite not the same thing.

Humiliation isn't just about how you feel. You make yourself look really bad most of the time without the help of anyone else. You certainly have some takes. But stuff like "Actual nazis aren't really nazis and you should feel bad for calling them that" is... hmm...

[cubby]

There are supposedly four seats still undecided in the Senate. But really, three. Alaska isn't between Dem and Rep, it's between two Rep. So the Republicans have 49 seats right now.

The remaining three:
AZ - Mark Kelly looks strong here. Remaining votes to be counted are expected to go his way. Hopefully.
NV - uncertain here. Any have insight to remaining votes and which way they might go?
GA - certainly runoff in December. Completely uncertain on odds for either candidate.


The House is going to go Republican, but by a razor thin majority. Which will be VERY hard for McCarthy/I-don't-give-a-fuck, but they will still have control, which ultimately means badness for the United States.

[Grapemask]

NV - uncertain here. Any have insight to remaining votes and which way they might go?

Most of the remaining votes are in heavily democratic urban areas, so there's a decent chance it's going to go blue - but they all have to come in similar to the proportions that they have so far.