[TV] She-Hulk: Attorney at Law (*SPOILERS*)

[paxen]

lol, I tend to avoid Youtube comments so missed all that.

But you're right in that he points out that it's neither super-duper-awesome nor is it horrible-awful-worst-thing-ever. It's dumb in a lot of ways yet still entertaining to some people. And he could have lifted arguments on both counts directly from this thread supporting either viewpoint.

Honestly I think most pro-she-hulk people here have mostly been arguing that it's ok, worth watching but not fantastic?

It's growing on me though. I'm starting to think that the last three episodes were legitimately great. It might be the show/characters I'm most looking forward to seeing again.

Or it might be Ms Marvel, she was great all the way.

[Gumble]

I'm upset Jennifer Walters doesn't show up in Wakanda and make Kevin fix their problems. Oh well, I'm sure she donated 50 cents a day to save a child in Wakanda. Thank goodness I just assume anything from phase 4 isn't cannon and the MCU doesn't feel like it sucks.

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Honestly I think most pro-she-hulk people here have mostly been arguing that it's ok, worth watching but not fantastic?

Then you have an issue with your vision.

I'm starting to think that the last three episodes were legitimately great.

Yep, seems like it.

[VMSmith]

Honestly I think most pro-she-hulk people here have mostly been arguing that it's ok, worth watching but not fantastic?

You may have missed the collective swoon when "OMG, the show is making fun of the people who disagree with us!". Which Ryan correctly points out was fairly stupid on many levels.

Almost everyone in this thread has been extreme about this show in one direction or the other, there's been very little nuance.

[Jester Joe]

You may have missed the collective swoon when "OMG, the show is making fun of the people who disagree with us!". Which Ryan correctly points out was fairly stupid on many levels.

Almost everyone in this thread has been extreme about this show in one direction or the other, there's been very little nuance.

If you ignore the context, sure.

It's not hard otherwise to see that almost everyone agreed the show wasn't perfect and could be better, but it was enjoyable and about on par with most Marvel content. Nothing groundbreaking, but watchable.

Enjoying the fact that the show called out the exact massive trolling that was happening every episode was just the icing on the cake.

[MrLachyG]

Honestly I think most pro-she-hulk people here have mostly been arguing that it's ok, worth watching but not fantastic?

That’s certainly how I describe it

[Endus]

If you ignore the context, sure.

It's not hard otherwise to see that almost everyone agreed the show wasn't perfect and could be better, but it was enjoyable and about on par with most Marvel content. Nothing groundbreaking, but watchable.

Enjoying the fact that the show called out the exact massive trolling that was happening every episode was just the icing on the cake.

Just to cite myself, since I posted pretty heavily and criticised a lot of bad takes throughout the thread:

On this point, before people come back with weak elements, I'm not arguing the writing is genius. Just serviceable. On par with any other decent sitcom. There's a whole lotta room between "bad" and "excellent", and I'm disputing "bad", not claiming "excellence".

That was posted in the week after episode 6. I definitely wasn't ever "extreme" in my views on the show, just generally enjoying, especially as She-Hulk is a personal favorite character. In general terms of craft, I'd honestly rate it pretty low among MCU shows, with the caveat that even the "worst" one is like a 7/10 at worst (Falcon and Winter Soldier, IMHO, FWIW). Hence my hostility towards those claiming it was the worst thing ever and killed your dog.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

You may have missed the collective swoon when "OMG, the show is making fun of the people who disagree with us!". Which Ryan correctly points out was fairly stupid on many levels.

Almost everyone in this thread has been extreme about this show in one direction or the other, there's been very little nuance.

Ryan points out that it might antagonize the people that are being made fun of. And, yeah, he might be right...but the issue is that those people have already proven they cannot be reasoned with. I'm not sure why it's on the rest of us to turn the other cheek.

Also, He does not, at any point, say that they were wrong about the things they were making fun of people for. Just that making fun of them isn't likely to cool things down.

[Rennadrel]

Honestly I think most pro-she-hulk people here have mostly been arguing that it's ok, worth watching but not fantastic?

It's growing on me though. I'm starting to think that the last three episodes were legitimately great. It might be the show/characters I'm most looking forward to seeing again.

Or it might be Ms Marvel, she was great all the way.

I don't think Kamala Kahn as Ms Marvel is going to get a lot of runtime in the MCU after the collective meh that was the reception for the series. It wasn't horrible, but it wasn't particularly good either and got panned.

[Endus]

I don't think Kamala Kahn as Ms Marvel is going to get a lot of runtime in the MCU after the collective meh that was the reception for the series. It wasn't horrible, but it wasn't particularly good either and got panned.

I don't know where you think it was "panned", but as UnifiedDivide pointed out, pretty much all reputable critics were effusive about it.

And before you link audience scores on anything like IMDB, review bombing/brigading is a thing and if you aren't using an aggregator that removes such scores, you're using intentionally tainted data and nobody should accept it.

[Rennadrel]

I don't know where you think it was "panned", but as UnifiedDivide pointed out, pretty much all reputable critics were effusive about it.

And before you link audience scores on anything like IMDB, review bombing/brigading is a thing and if you aren't using an aggregator that removes such scores, you're using intentionally tainted data and nobody should accept it.

Critics does not and never has equated to viewer numbers.

[Endus]

Critics does not and never has equated to viewer numbers.

You're moving goalposts. You said it wasn't good and got panned. Now you're trying to talk about viewership. Those aren't the same thing and there isn't even really any direct connection; a lot of highly popular things are critically garbage. See the Transformers films, or Twilight films if shitting on Micheal Bay will get your ire up.

[Gumble]

I don't know where you think it was "panned", but as UnifiedDivide pointed out, pretty much all reputable critics were effusive about it.

And before you link audience scores on anything like IMDB, review bombing/brigading is a thing and if you aren't using an aggregator that removes such scores, you're using intentionally tainted data and nobody should accept it.

Oh lord it kicked up the ant hill.

Least viewed show. Critically reviewed well because "don't want to be that guy"

The irony how correct that video was.

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You're moving goalposts. You said it wasn't good and got panned. Now you're trying to talk about viewership. Those aren't the same thing and there isn't even really any direct connection; a lot of highly popular things are critically garbage. See the Transformers films, or Twilight films if shitting on Micheal Bay will get your ire up.

It got panned by anyone who is actually critical of movies, not by people paided to say nice things.

[Jester Joe]

It got panned by anyone who is actually critical of movies, not by people paided to say nice things.

Ah, the good ol' "they disagreed so they must be paid".

The audience score was also high. Tinfoil hat theories don't make your point.

[Endus]

Oh lord it kicked up the ant hill.

Least viewed show. Critically reviewed well because "don't want to be that guy"

The irony how correct that video was.

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It got panned by anyone who is actually critical of movies, not by people paided to say nice things.

I really don't care what Youtube hate reviewers think about, well, anything.

Ms. Marvel was well-received. Sure, a bunch of people brigaded and shitposted about it, but so fuckin' what?

[Shadowferal]

Disney stock is slumping. And they blame the losses on their TV streaming schtuff.

[Jester Joe]

Disney stock is slumping. And they blame the losses on their TV streaming schtuff.

What.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/disne...174514502.html

"A big part of the miss was really on the parks side," Geetha Ranganathan, senior media analyst at Bloomberg Intelligence, told Yahoo Finance Live (video above), citing the parks' consistent performance up until this quarter.

"We were seeing them report some really, really stupendous numbers in terms of park profitability," Ranganathan added. "So I think investors might have kind of thought that they can extend that. And there's been some really good steps taken by management, whether it's price increases, whether it's more operational efficiencies. But I guess the costs finally caught up."

I don't know how much more clear that could be.

They do note that D+ is losing a bit, but that they expect it to start going upwards again with the new tier subscription.

Edit- This is also after D+ surpassed Netflix it looks like in sub count even.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

You may have missed the collective swoon when "OMG, the show is making fun of the people who disagree with us!". Which Ryan correctly points out was fairly stupid on many levels.

Almost everyone in this thread has been extreme about this show in one direction or the other, there's been very little nuance.

Yo I’m one of the swooned and I’ll happily point out that while predicting and making fun of the angry man children who raged about the show was amazing to see and show cases how paint by numbers the complains were always going to be the show over all is just kinda ok. not great like moon knight and not bad like love and thunder.

[s_bushido]

Ms. Marvel was well-received. Sure, a bunch of people brigaded and shitposted about it, but so fuckin' what?

Honestly surprised it didn't get more hate. But I guess they couldn't fall back on the "we should have gotten the traditional white blonde Ms. Marvel instead!!!" excuse...because we all saw how well they coped with that movie.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Yo I’m one of the swooned and I’ll happily point out that while predicting and making fun of the angry man children who raged about the show was amazing to see and show cases how paint by numbers the complains were always going to be the show over all is just kinda ok. not great like moon knight and not bad like love and thunder.

Yeah apparently "I thought the way they made fun of online trolls was funny" equals "Everything about this show is super duper awesome"

Along similar lines...I don't think Love and Thunder is a very good movie...but goddamn do I love those goats.

[Endus]

Yeah apparently "I thought the way they made fun of online trolls was funny" equals "Everything about this show is super duper awesome"

Along similar lines...I don't think Love and Thunder is a very good movie...but goddamn do I love those goats.

I also think people sleep on the single goriest, most brutal fight scene in the entire MCU; that big fight in Zeus' realm. The blood's all gold, rather than red, which is why they get away with it, but the entire dais and all our heroes are just absolutely drenched in gold "blood" by the end of it.

It's not the best fight scene in Marvel, but it's kind of hilarious when you realize the silliness of changing the color and suddenly it's A-OK with the censors who determine ratings.

I also think people don't understand what they did with Gorr. He's a satirical take. He's the Edgiest Edgelord. He's a complete dork, and that's sort of the point. Gorr isn't even what's scary about him, it's the Necrosword itself, which is pretty much literally an Edge Lord, in that it's a sword, and one of the "kings" of swords in the known Marvel universe. They don't get overt on this, but it explains why Gorr's so sympathetic outside of the Necrosword's influence, and how utterly childish and tryhard his characterization is when he's using it. That's not really Gorr. That's the blade. And it's so fucking emo. Its idea of "badass" is cool sketches a 14-year-old emo kid draws in his notebook of super cool swords and monsters and shit. That's why it's kind of hard to take Gorr seriously; because he comes off like a kid obsessed with Death Note or something.