[Megathread] Star Citizen

[Kyanion]

Has anyone ever successfully (in Kenn's opinion) refuted anything he's ever said on these forums - anywhere? About anything?

I mean it is always funny when kenn steps into other areas like WoW discussion to say something and gets promptly shut down. But kenn says something has been 'proven wrong' just because kenn says so, not because there is any actual proof being provided, it is always pure comedy.

[HansOlo]

I remember this game on Kickstarter and the hype it recieved. Never looked into it since.

Can someone give me a TLDR of what happended ever since?

[ldev]

You have already been proven wrong on multiple things you have said, while you have been unable to refute anything i have said, thats the very definition of someone who is incompetant at knowing even the most basics of games development, you didnt even know about mantle so noone is going to believe anything that comes out of your mouth, you have no idea about anything to do with star citizen when you cant even bring up basic correct information, you will never win an argument when you always present wrong information.

Oh snap you have constantly shown you dont know anything about the games development and talk complete nonsense and you have never once shown to be competent at anything to do with games design as is proven by your clear lack of any knowledge to do with everything about the subject, you dont even know the basic things and you have already been proven wrong on multiple things you have said, while you have been unable to refute anything i have said, thats the very definition of someone who is incompetant at knowing even the most basics of games development so noone is going to believe anything that comes out of your mouth, you have no idea about anything to do with star citizen when you cant even bring up basic correct information, you will never win an argument when you always present wrong information. When you hear "mantle" you're probably thinking about this

[banmebaby]

I remember this game on Kickstarter and the hype it recieved. Never looked into it since.

Can someone give me a TLDR of what happended ever since?

There ya go:

For the singleplayer game that was originally promised? Nope. The release date was pushed back every year for 5-6 years straight. "It's coming out next year!" - Christ Roberts in 2012 through 2017. Meanwhile, the development roadmap revealed that the game's development was rebooted several times, jumping from "we're polishing up the levels" to "actually half the levels aren't even whiteboxed". Then in 2019 CIG started going completely radio silent on SQ42's development. Chris promised us updates but years passed without a peep, which culminated in an uproar on the official forums so loud that media outlets and youtubers began picking up on it, forcing Chris to come out of his hole to try to dampen the bad press by giving us roadmap to a roadmap. Cue further uproar, which was then followed by a mass banwave of dissenters from the official forums. In Fall 2020, we finally got an hour long stream with Chris that showed off a dev working on a space station stealth level for the game, but Chris conspicuously dodged answering the questions that people actually wanted to know: "what is the true status of SQ42 development? Why does the game keep getting rebooted? Why aren't you talking to us?". Chris promised that he would do one SQ42 dev stream every quarter, but it's been over a year and a half since that stream and we never got another one. Development on Star Citizen has slowed to a snail's pace and hardcore fans are keeping their fingers crossed, hoping that most of the dev team is actually working on SQ42 in secret and that the game will be revealed in its full glory any day know and that the decade long wait will have been worth it.

As for Star Citizen the MMO, it the levels of scope creep are comical. Development of SC has stalled out. They can't add anymore meaningful content or gameplay loops to the servers without them breaking. In fact, the devs had to remove planets and systems from the live game to make the servers stable, and even then a lot of the game is still broken, like players randomly dying for no reason or 99% of the NPCs in the game being glitched out and broken. The servers are capped at 50 players. The entire game had been designed around the assumption that it would be an MMO with thousands of players and there would be big space battles with dozens of large ships manned by dozens of players each, but given the 50 player cap that can never be. For years, the devs have been touting that the magic solution to the problem is server meshing, and claimed to have had a working prototype up and running in Spring 2019, but we never heard anything about that prototype ever again, and at last year's Citizencon the devs finally admitted that they are unsure if they can ever get SC the MMO to have servers larger than 50 players. The last meaningful addition to SC was mining gameplay in 2018, and I guess maybe the addition of prison in 2020. Otherwise we're just getting inconsequential stuff like new armors and guns or small spacefighter #147 or land vehicles nobody uses.

The next big advancement for Star Citizen the MMO is being able to go to a 2nd star system, called Pyro, which was announced half a decade ago. Pyro is supposed to be a dangerous PvP system with no law enforcement and few facilities to repair and refuel at, dangerous weather conditions and long distances between planets, forcing players to interact with each other (ie, players with small ships needing to rely on players who have carriers to carry them around, or negotiating with a player who owns a Starfarer to refuel, etc). Being able to stake a property claim and build your own house is another feature that was advertised to come along with Pyro. However, because of the aforementioned server situation, Pyro cannot be added until it is resolved... if ever.

[HansOlo]

There ya go:

Holy f...

It was all a scam?

[Xeenith]

Holy f...

It was all a scam?

It always has been ™

[Gorsameth]

Holy f...

It was all a scam?

I like to think it started of sincere, but suffered from gross incompetence and eventually drifted into a scam where Chris just fills his own pockets.

[Beefhammer]

I like to think it started of sincere, but suffered from gross incompetence and eventually drifted into a scam where Chris just fills his own pockets.

This was started by the biggest liar and grifter in the gaming world. It was always a scam.

[Heathy]

I'm sure there will be ppl who still think its a scam even when it does reach a more feature complete state. the actual return rate on this scam can't be that great after paying all the developers and whatever other licensing costs, upkeep costs. they should have done something with crypto instead. they could have created absolutely nothing and bilked a whole lot more. look at projects like earth 2, 100 mil in, nothing to show for it. that is what I would call a scam.

ideally if you want to scam ppl you also want to put the least amount of effort into whatever it is you're using to scam ppl. otherwise there isn't much return if you're spending most of it to keep the scam going. it just doesn't really add up. why have a scam be this elaborate, when you could have done something much simpler and likely pocketed more of the actual money. the most successful scams at the moment are these crypto projects that promise the world and deliver nothing. even better with crypto is once you have raked in the money, there is actually fuck all anyone can do to get it back. due to the zero consumer protection there is on blockchain technology.

spending millions to run a scam where you make a liveable wage just doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.

how do we imagine it plays out, at some point in the not too distant future chris roberts is just going to live stream himself pulling the middle finger and then he fires his 300+ development team and sails off into the sunset never to be heard from again? something like that?

[Askyl]

I'm sure there will be ppl who still think its a scam even when it does reach a more feature complete state. the actual return rate on this scam can't be that great after paying all the developers and whatever other licensing costs, upkeep costs. they should have done something with crypto instead. they could have created absolutely nothing and bilked a whole lot more. look at projects like earth 2, 100 mil in, nothing to show for it. that is what I would call a scam.

ideally if you want to scam ppl you also want to put the least amount of effort into whatever it is you're using to scam ppl. otherwise there isn't much return if you're spending most of it to keep the scam going. it just doesn't really add up. why have a scam be this elaborate, when you could have done something much simpler and likely pocketed more of the actual money. the most successful scams at the moment are these crypto projects that promise the world and deliver nothing. even better with crypto is once you have raked in the money, there is actually fuck all anyone can do to get it back. due to the zero consumer protection there is on blockchain technology.

spending millions to run a scam where you make a liveable wage just doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.

Scam is the wrong word, they just simply tried to make something that just couldn't do. It's too big and too hard and they got stuck, and can't get out.

[Shakzor]

Scam is the wrong word, they just simply tried to make something that just couldn't do. It's too big and too hard and they got stuck, and can't get out.

Sad part is, they could get it out. Boot Chris Roberts, get a competent upper management that doesn't just go "yes, more and more and more!" and restart development on an engine that was atleast made with splitscreen coop in mind.

[Gorsameth]

I'm sure there will be ppl who still think its a scam even when it does reach a more feature complete state. the actual return rate on this scam can't be that great after paying all the developers and whatever other licensing costs, upkeep costs. they should have done something with crypto instead. they could have created absolutely nothing and bilked a whole lot more. look at projects like earth 2, 100 mil in, nothing to show for it. that is what I would call a scam.

ideally if you want to scam ppl you also want to put the least amount of effort into whatever it is you're using to scam ppl. otherwise there isn't much return if you're spending most of it to keep the scam going. it just doesn't really add up. why have a scam be this elaborate, when you could have done something much simpler and likely pocketed more of the actual money. the most successful scams at the moment are these crypto projects that promise the world and deliver nothing. even better with crypto is once you have raked in the money, there is actually fuck all anyone can do to get it back. due to the zero consumer protection there is on blockchain technology.

spending millions to run a scam where you make a liveable wage just doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.

how do we imagine it plays out, at some point in the not too distant future chris roberts is just going to live stream himself pulling the middle finger and then he fires his 300+ development team and sails off into the sunset never to be heard from again? something like that?

What would you call Chris filling his and his wife's pocket (He sure isn't just getting a 'liveable wage') and paying himself a dividend as a company with no product?

[Otaka]

I remember this game on Kickstarter and the hype it recieved. Never looked into it since.

Can someone give me a TLDR of what happended ever since?

Its still being very much developed with detail that no other game has done before... every year every quarter they update the alpha with a major patch with new features and content. So the game is on its way to becoming what its supposed to, just takes time.

Dont listen to anything these guys here say, mmochampion isnt the best place for legit conversation about the game... in less than 2 weeks there will be a free to play event in which literally anyone can play star citizen for free, so if you can go try it out and make up your own opinion. (as if a scam would let you do this?)

Might even be worth going to read spectrum, the official forums for star citizen on their website.

The fact of the matter is: every year the fanbase grows and so does the funding... and unlike actual scams theres gameplay in here.
You can literally go back years of pages in this thread and see these same faces talk negatively about the game, so dont even bother listening to them.
Their info is about 10 years old and they never say anything positive.

Theres ALOT of positive things in Star Citizen, how else would people be playing it every week? and the game be updated so often.

Just test it yourself, its free for a week soon.

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I like to think it started of sincere, but suffered from gross incompetence and eventually drifted into a scam where Chris just fills his own pockets.

Fills his own pockets by opening new studios around the world and hiring more devs to increase the development rate? :P

They literally just opened a new studio in Manchester with like 700+ new jobs for it... probably cost a few million to build.

Doesnt sound right...

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I'm sure there will be ppl who still think its a scam even when it does reach a more feature complete state. the actual return rate on this scam can't be that great after paying all the developers and whatever other licensing costs, upkeep costs. they should have done something with crypto instead. they could have created absolutely nothing and bilked a whole lot more. look at projects like earth 2, 100 mil in, nothing to show for it. that is what I would call a scam.

ideally if you want to scam ppl you also want to put the least amount of effort into whatever it is you're using to scam ppl. otherwise there isn't much return if you're spending most of it to keep the scam going. it just doesn't really add up. why have a scam be this elaborate, when you could have done something much simpler and likely pocketed more of the actual money. the most successful scams at the moment are these crypto projects that promise the world and deliver nothing. even better with crypto is once you have raked in the money, there is actually fuck all anyone can do to get it back. due to the zero consumer protection there is on blockchain technology.

spending millions to run a scam where you make a liveable wage just doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.

how do we imagine it plays out, at some point in the not too distant future chris roberts is just going to live stream himself pulling the middle finger and then he fires his 300+ development team and sails off into the sunset never to be heard from again? something like that?

True.
These people just see the scam when the product isnt out already... impatience, thats what it is.

A scam wouldnt open hundreds of new job positions and build new offices. It just makes no sense... literally no sense... why invest in the future if youre trying to scam people?

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/cloud-...chester-studio

[kenn9530]

Oh snap you have constantly shown you dont know anything about the games development and talk complete nonsense and you have never once shown to be competent at anything to do with games design as is proven by your clear lack of any knowledge to do with everything about the subject, you dont even know the basic things and you have already been proven wrong on multiple things you have said, while you have been unable to refute anything i have said, thats the very definition of someone who is incompetant at knowing even the most basics of games development so noone is going to believe anything that comes out of your mouth, you have no idea about anything to do with star citizen when you cant even bring up basic correct information, you will never win an argument when you always present wrong information. When you hear "mantle" you're probably thinking about this

Its clear you even lack the ability to bring up an even remotely relevant argument, your childish attempts at an insult are a clear representation of your capability of never being able to bring anything of intelligence to the board, you couldnt win an argument no matter how hard you try, better try next time.

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It always has been ™

Anyone who thinks its a scam is a complete idiot end of story, its a large game it takes a long ass time to develop a game of star citizens level, games take longer and longer to develop.

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What would you call Chris filling his and his wife's pocket (He sure isn't just getting a 'liveable wage') and paying himself a dividend as a company with no product?

CR has done a ton of work to build the company and it makes millions of money that has nothing to do with pledges or backing, so whatever they are paying themselves they deserve it, you are not going to put this amount of effort into something and not get paid also are you.

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Sad part is, they could get it out. Boot Chris Roberts, get a competent upper management that doesn't just go "yes, more and more and more!" and restart development on an engine that was atleast made with splitscreen coop in mind.

There is no star citizen at all without CR, and you are unable to claim if management of the company is competant or not, CR stated from the very start he is making his dream game the way he wants it to be made, so you need to accept what is being done to develop it.

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Scam is the wrong word, they just simply tried to make something that just couldn't do. It's too big and too hard and they got stuck, and can't get out.

Cant get what out, they are still developing the game, they have not failed or stopped at making the game so what are you even talking about, they are not stuck so stop talking nonsense.

They are making 2 games one is an MMO, development time is more than going at a suitable pace.

[banmebaby]

Holy f...

It was all a scam?

Depends on how you look at it...

A lot of the money is clearly being spent on the game, and something is obsly being developed.

The project does suffer from the same issues that Freelancer (Chris previous game) did, he can't stop himself from aiming for bigger and better, constantly moving the goal post forward.

On his way, purposely or not, he did lie and misled the community with multiple release windows for Squadron 42 and features that never came to be, those often resulting in sale boosts, for example “answer the call!”.

Chris Roberts also hired multiple family members such as his wife and brother into high paying positions within the company, as Executive Producer & Global Head of Production.

… so I don't know dude, I wouldn't call it a scam in the traditional sense of it when it comes to video gaming, however, a lot of bullshit is being said while some people are filling up their pockets.

[1001]

Anyone who thinks its a scam is a complete idiot end of story, its a large game it takes a long ass time to develop a game of star citizens level, games take longer and longer to develop.

If you lie about the state of your game to sell ships then you are scamming people. This is something CIG have done repeatedly.

CR has done a ton of work to build the company and it makes millions of money that has nothing to do with pledges or backing, so whatever they are paying themselves they deserve it, you are not going to put this amount of effort into something and not get paid also are you.

It has made money purely because of the pledges/backing. That is why external investors got involved, they want a piece of that pie as well.

There is no star citizen at all without CR, and you are unable to claim if management of the company is competant or not, CR stated from the very start he is making his dream game the way he wants it to be made, so you need to accept what is being done to develop it.

I bet people said the same about Freelancer. "There is no Freelancer without CR..." and we all know how that turned out.

Cant get what out, they are still developing the game, they have not failed or stopped at making the game so what are you even talking about, they are not stuck so stop talking nonsense.

They are completely stuck and have been for years. OCS/SSOCS was the start of them acknowledging this and how they could not add anymore to the game due to RAM limits etc. Nothing has changed, they are still the most incompetent game studio on the planet.

They are making 2 games one is an MMO, development time is more than going at a suitable pace.

It's ironic that you berate people for making comments about CIG by saying it is not allowed unless they have inside knowledge while you freely speak for CIG despite having no inside knowledge.

[Proskill]

can i somehow force star citizen to make more use of RAM memory? just like u can do with CPU for certain games and programs.
if thats even possible, cuz 16GB isnt enough and i get freezes constantly. ill try anything that doesnt resort to buying something new for my PC

[banmebaby]

I'd also steer clear of the official sub-forum on Reddit

"Don't listen to public forums! But DO read the official ones!"... such a odd thing to say ;P

[Kyanion]

Its still being very much developed with detail that no other game has done before... every year every quarter they update the alpha with a major patch with new features and content. So the game is on its way to becoming what its supposed to, just takes time.

That never been done before line really loses its luster as the years go by and technology improves. The graphics they love to show off aren't nearly as impressive anymore. A fair amount of this 'never been done before' technology also isn't working in their game because they haven't figured out how to do it. AKA server caps on people for example. How much time do they fucking need? Pre-Production started in 2010. If you didn't know it is nearly 2023 now. 500+ million dollars hasn't finished the game. You're cool with waiting 20 years for this thing? Though at their current pace it does not look like it would be complete then either. Most expensive game ever made soon to be the longest active development time ever. It is a crowning achievement in excess, poor management, CR and his family enriching themselves and the list goes on with the milestones they reach.

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Dont listen to anything these guys here say, mmochampion isnt the best place for legit conversation about the game...

Says the person also posting on mmochampion. Don't listen to negative comments, they are just haters right? They NEVER make any good points about the game and how long it is taking. Trust Otaka, kenn, Anderson, they are all upstanding pillars of the mmochampion community who would never steer you wrong about SC. Lolz.

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Might even be worth going to read spectrum, the official forums for star citizen on their website.

The fact of the matter is: every year the fanbase grows and so does the funding... and unlike actual scams theres gameplay in here.
You can literally go back years of pages in this thread and see these same faces talk negatively about the game, so dont even bother listening to them.
Their info is about 10 years old and they never say anything positive.

Join the SC cult today! I mean I wouldn't advise going back years in this thread. Know why? You guys chirped over and over about when the game would be out year after year and all the amazing things that would be in the game (that still aren't in the game btw). Know who IS right? People that pointed out the game isn't ready, not finished being made and was years away. Go ahead, go pluck some random comments from like 2016. I know I'll have a good laugh at watching you do it.

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You can literally go back years of pages in this thread and see these same faces talk negatively about the game, so dont even bother listening to them.
Their info is about 10 years old and they never say anything positive.

How to say 'I cannot say anything negative about the game and those that do are just haters' in a different way? If their negativity of the game is 10 years old and the game is STILL IN ALPHA you think those people might have fucking been on to something? LOL.

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Fills his own pockets by opening new studios around the world and hiring more devs to increase the development rate? :P

They literally just opened a new studio in Manchester with like 700+ new jobs for it... probably cost a few million to build.

Doesnt sound right...

What are these facts you provided? I'll just ignore them because I don't like it! CR can do no wrong! Despite how many members of his family in key positions with big salaries? What are dividends? CR totally earned those! He needs more expensive cars and homes, all hail CR.

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These people just see the scam when the product isnt out already... impatience, thats what it is.

A scam wouldnt open hundreds of new job positions and build new offices. It just makes no sense... literally no sense... why invest in the future if youre trying to scam people?

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/cloud-...chester-studio

12 years. 500+ million dollars. Game in Alpha and no where near complete. People are just impatient if they expected the game in 2015. Answer the call 2016. 2017. 2018. Almost ready. 2019. Greybox single player at some point. 2020. 2021..Lolz not ready yet. 2022..Maybe 2023. Nah. 2024? Nope. 2025? Don't be impatient!

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Anyone who thinks its a scam is a complete idiot end of story, its a large game it takes a long ass time to develop a game of star citizens level, games take longer and longer to develop.

CR has done a ton of work to build the company and it makes millions of money that has nothing to do with pledges or backing, so whatever they are paying themselves they deserve it, you are not going to put this amount of effort into something and not get paid also are you.

Good ol cultists here to save the day. Good thing CR was transparent about the amount of years this would take and never lied to his backers about when the game would be ready. And fuck it, he DESERVES all this money for him and his family. Nepotism? Wuzzat? Pay the man more money, he is a starving artist with a vision that leads people through the desert of shitty games to the promised land. Just wait another 5-10 years, but keep giving him money. Maybe when the game is at year 15 with over 700 million we can all laugh about this as it still isn't complete.

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Depends on how you look at it...

A lot of the money is clearly being spent on the game, and something is obsly being developed.

The project does suffer from the same issues that Freelancer (Chris previous game) did, he can't stop himself from aiming for bigger and better, constantly moving the goal post forward.

On his way, purposely or not, he did lie and misled the community with multiple release windows for Squadron 42 and features that never came to be, those often resulting in sale boosts, for example “answer the call!”.

Chris Roberts also hired multiple family members such as his wife and brother into high paying positions within the company, as Executive Producer & Global Head of Production.

… so I don't know dude, I wouldn't call it a scam in the traditional sense of it when it comes to video gaming, however, a lot of bullshit is being said while some people are filling up their pockets.

'Scam' isn't the correct word for what is going on, but it sure needs a new and unique word to describe what has been going on. The fact that he has been able to skate by on multiple years of lies on release windows, nepotism, enriching himself and his family, taking 12 years and 500+ million to fail to finish the game. It really is a marvel of epic proportions on just what has happened. Sprinkle in some crazy cultists defending the game and CR as if it could do no wrong whatsoever just makes it the perfect stew for me to sit back and watch it simmer over the fire.

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It's ironic that you berate people for making comments about CIG by saying it is not allowed unless they have inside knowledge while you freely speak for CIG despite having no inside knowledge.

Do as he says not as he does. Right?

[Maljinwo]

Most expensive game ever made soon to be the longest active development time ever. It is a crowning achievement in excess, poor management.

Eh, they still have to dethrone the current king, Beyond Good & Evil 2