SCOTUS removes Roe V Wade

[Fugus]

I mean i get the concern for the limited space of pages this forum can ultimately support. But if you cut down on the backseat-moderation in this thread, we could probably safe another page?

Not really, because for every page of me explaining this to you guys, you decided to add another 7 pages of shit from you feeding the pigeons. I typically ignore it at this point as you guys have proven yourself mentally incapable of letting the stuff slide, but still feel the urge to point out how theses guys you are responding to are flat out kicking your asses on here every time they come on.

Even I did it once and kept it going for 2 pages before they finally caught on and I explained what I was doing, literally giving a flash light and a map and still went for two pages before they learned how to stop the game was to not play.

[Varx]

I mean, you suck at communicating... well... pretty much anything in this thread. I assume it's because your mom didn't talk to you enough.

Brush up on your ability to convey ideas and you might be able to debate an elementary student in a few years though. So yeah...

Keep trying.

I need to clarify that I don't think babies should vote and that I'm not talking about micro life..?

And I'm the one that should work on communication? Do you take everything everyone says at face value and literally???

Jesus Christ man.

[Mekh]

I need to clarify that I don't think babies should vote and that I'm not talking about micro life..?

And I'm the one that should work on communication? Do you take everything everyone says at face value and literally???

Jesus Christ man.

You said infants have the same rights as adults. You said single cells are not organisms. And you think cancer is programmed and has a purpose.

I'll take the infraction here: You are completely retarted and unfit to speak on any subject.

[Pannonian]

The issue is that not responding to it is the best course of action here because everyone knows what and who he is. You aren't opposing him in the slightest, you're feeding him and giving him air to keep posting and derailing the thread which is all he is actually trying to do.

He is fishing for replies and too many here decide to feed them and get lose to him rather than just admit what he is, ignore him and let him gas his way out. Quite literally explaining to a new guy exactly what he is if one actually shows up here is the best course of action but none here are mentally disciplined enough to do that.

Man, i'm glad at least you have the mental discipline to not post unnecessary I fundamentally disagree. If i look at history too much ignorance has never been opposed which should have. If YOU don't want to do it, be my guest, but it's getting a bit grating if you try to enforce your moral pov every few pages...

Because guess what, no one is here to convince anyone, we all have our opinions, and i have never seen anyone genuinely change their mind because of a discussion here. It is not a news site for accurate information. It is a DISCUSSION board. If you don't like it maybe just ignore it, but your moral grandstanding and own perceived superiority is getting annoying.

[Varx]

I wasn't arguing you weren't. Simply highlighting your using the same dishonest argument as many who deny evolution.



I think this is such a silly point it's not worth addressing. It's a terrible strawman.



Except a zygote and an infante are two wildly different things even if they're different stages of the development.



How many zygotes outside of the womb have developed into infants and then onto adulthood?



And back to the misogynist position of blaming women, while also demanding that the same women who may have an unplanned, unwanted pregnancy that could upend their whole life be forced to essentially be an incubator.

Which is pretty much straight up objectifying women (and girls) while denying them agency over what they do with their body.

Yeah an infant and a zygote are differently completely fr a development standpoint, but not of the species and organism they are.

Look I'm sorry but it's not misogynistic, it's reality.

The fact is that women carry the burden of pregnancy. If men could get pregnant too then I would still have the same exact mindset, but we don't.

So that being said women and their sexual partners should practice safe sex and prepare for unwanted consequences of the contraceptive fails because what you're doing is creating another human being.

[Varx]

You said infants have the same rights as adults. You said single cells are not organisms. And you think cancer is programmed and has a purpose.

I'll take the infraction here: You are completely retarted and unfit to speak on any subject.

I was implying right to LIFE. Never did I imply anything else.

I was talking about the cells for multi cell organisms. Never once implied micro life.


Cancer is literally a killer desiease and. It meant for anything else. I didn't mean literally programmed like fucking soft ware.

And I'm what you think I am...

Just...

SIT

DOWN

And learn to read between the lines and pick up context clues before you go out next time. Ffs

[Fugus]

Man, i'm glad at least you have the mental discipline to not post unnecessary I fundamentally disagree. If i look at history too much ignorance has never been opposed which should have. If YOU don't want to do it, be my guest, but it's getting a bit grating if you try to enforce your moral pov every few pages...

Because guess what, no one is here to convince anyone, we all have our opinions, and i have never seen anyone genuinely change their mind because of a discussion here. It is not a news site for accurate information. It is a DISCUSSION board. If you don't like it maybe just ignore it, but your moral grandstanding and own perceived superiority is getting annoying.

Whether you disagree or not doesn't change the facts, I know the game he is playing, I played it in the 90s and even did it here once and you guys are fish in a barrel on it.

Ok, last time I really want to post on this right now because you guys never really learn this lesson and lose every time because of it.

But before I do, let me ask you these questions.

1) Who on this forum doesn't know what Varx is doing? Not some mythical person who just reads and never posts because even for those, ignoring him and moving on would let Varx stuff fall off the page instead of going for pages. Who on here doesn't know what Varx is doing and actually believes him?

2) How does your responding to him actually change or inform the views of those on this page given the answer of the first question?

3) How does your responding encourage or discourage him from posting even more? Are you correcting him or just feeding him?

4) How does your posting actually inform others or productively progress the thread? And do not give the response of "I disproved him which helped" because that is a cop out response if you give an honest answer to question #1 and is about as productive as me just posting the multiplication table over and over again, being factually true doesn't make it productive in context.

Answer these questions honestly and you will see just how unproductive your actions with Varx is and just how much he is kicking your collective butts in the process.

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Can you stop bringing this shit up at every opportunity? People knew what you were doing and nobody actually gives a fuck. Get over it. Go apply to be a mod or something. How do you still not see that you add to all of this with your posts? Fuck me...

If you haven't noticed, I had ignored it for a while now. Not my fault he keeps kicking your asses with so many others doing the same thing. Dropping it now.

If you actually want to post productively, I encourage you to actually start doing the same thing when you see actual shit posters instead of feeding them.

[Endus]

Not really, because for every page of me explaining this to you guys, you decided to add another 7 pages of shit from you feeding the pigeons. I typically ignore it at this point as you guys have proven yourself mentally incapable of letting the stuff slide, but still feel the urge to point out how theses guys you are responding to are flat out kicking your asses on here every time they come on.

Even I did it once and kept it going for 2 pages before they finally caught on and I explained what I was doing, literally giving a flash light and a map and still went for two pages before they learned how to stop the game was to not play.

Fundamentally, this is a thread about the attack on women's basic human rights and dignity, as enshrined by the removal of Roe v. Wade.

The anti-abortion crowd make similar non-arguments as Varx to justify their misogyny.

So this isn't really even off-topic. This is the bullshit being pulled up in state legislatures to justify harming women. Most of us can't get access to those discussions, so all we can really do to engage in kick the beans out of people like Varx who present the same non-arguments, to try and ensure that at least the counter-arguments get as much air as the bullshit.

Because that's all leaving them alone does. It grants them the stage, unopposed, without counterpoint or contradiction. And when that's all people hear, that's all people end up believing, and you end up with crazy bullshit like SCOTUS removing Roe v. Wade and half the country applauding.

The pigeons aren't just a nuisance. They're running for office and winning.

If we were talking about something like young-earth Creationism I could get your point; granting them consideration in debunking them is granting them too much credence. But for anti-abortion arguments, specifically? This shit's got political heft, because we haven't been pointing out how deeply dishonest and misogynistic it is. It has to be opposed. Just keeping quiet and letting it gain power isn't a reasonable alternative. It's like not bothering to shout down the KKK member who's being wildly racist. If I see that in real life, I'm gonna protect his victim and tell him to fuck off. Rather than keep quiet. Because it really isn't just "trolling". It's active pursuit of harming and victimizing innocent people.

[Varx]

Whether you disagree or not doesn't change the facts, I know the game he is playing, I played it in the 90s and even did it here once and you guys are fish in a barrel on it.

Ok, last time I really want to post on this right now because you guys never really learn this lesson and lose every time because of it.

But before I do, let me ask you these questions.

1) Who are this forum doesn't know what Varx is doing? Not some mythical person who just reads and never posts because even for those, ignoring him and moving on would let Varx stuff fall off the page instead of going for pages. Who on here doesn't know what Varx is doing and actually believes him?

2) How does your responding to him actually change or inform the views of those on this page given the answer of the first question?

3) How does your responding encourage or discourage him from posting even more? Are you correcting him or just feeding him?

4) How does your posting actually inform others or productively progress the thread? And do not give the response of "I disproved him which helped" because that is a cop out response if you give an honest answer to question #1 and is about as productive as me just posting the multiplication table over and over again, being factually true doesn't make it productive in context.

Answer these questions honestly and you will see just how unproductive your actions with Varx is and just how much he is kicking your collective butts in the process.

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If you haven't noticed, I had ignored it for a while now. Not me fault he keeps kicking your asses with so many others doing the same thing. Dropping it now.

If you actually want to post productively, I encourage you to actually start doing the same thing when you see actual shit posters instead of feeding them.

Thnxs for that.

But honestly even if they don't respond to me I'll just come back to post it again in a week or two.

These forums are too liberal for their own good and they need to see some of the opposing view points instead of stagnating as an echo chamber.

I'm just helping them grow out of their phase.

[Mekh]

Cancer is literally a killer desiease and. It meant for anything else. I didn't mean literally programmed like fucking soft ware.

Cancer is just uncontrolled growth. It will often kill the host sooner or later. That's not its purpose. It's not bacteria or a virus that tries to multiply and infect others.

It's not a killer, it's not programmed. It has no goal and pretending it has one is some weird level of metaphysics for an agnostic. And don't make you school you on all the other topics too. Loser.

[Varx]

Fundamentally, this is a thread about the attack on women's basic human rights and dignity, as enshrined by the removal of Roe v. Wade.

The anti-abortion crowd make similar non-arguments as Varx to justify their misogyny.

So this isn't really even off-topic. This is the bullshit being pulled up in state legislatures to justify harming women. Most of us can't get access to those discussions, so all we can really do to engage in kick the beans out of people like Varx who present the same non-arguments, to try and ensure that at least the counter-arguments get as much air as the bullshit.

Because that's all leaving them alone does. It grants them the stage, unopposed, without counterpoint or contradiction. And when that's all people hear, that's all people end up believing, and you end up with crazy bullshit like SCOTUS removing Roe v. Wade and half the country applauding.

The pigeons aren't just a nuisance. They're running for office and winning.

If we were talking about something like young-earth Creationism I could get your point; granting them consideration in debunking them is granting them too much credence. But for anti-abortion arguments, specifically? This shit's got political heft, because we haven't been pointing out how deeply dishonest and misogynistic it is. It has to be opposed. Just keeping quiet and letting it gain power isn't a reasonable alternative. It's like not bothering to shout down the KKK member who's being wildly racist. If I see that in real life, I'm gonna protect his victim and tell him to fuck off. Rather than keep quiet. Because it really isn't just "trolling". It's active pursuit of harming and victimizing innocent people.

No woman has the right to kill anyone. Plain and simple. And SCOTUS agreed.

Don't want a baby then don't get pregnant. This ain't handmaid's tails as you like to put it.

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Cancer is just uncontrolled growth. It will often kill the host sooner or later. That's not its purpose. It's not bacteria or a virus that tries to multiply and infect others.

It's not a killer, it's not programmed. It has no goal and pretending it has one is some weird level of metaphysics for an agnostic. And don't make you school you on all the other topics too. Loser.

Haha you can try papi you won't get far.

And since you need more clarification. I also didn't imply that cancer is sentient.

To US, cancer has one purpose and that is to kill you.

Get it now? Take your time.

[Edge-]

To US, cancer has one purpose and that is to kill you.

Man, y'all really are the party of "Feels over reals" and y'all keep doubling and tripling down on that shit while being seemingly completely obvious.

[Pannonian]

Whether you disagree or not doesn't change the facts, I know the game he is playing, I played it in the 90s and even did it here once and you guys are fish in a barrel on it.

Ok, last time I really want to post on this right now because you guys never really learn this important less and lose every time because of it.

But before I do, let me ask you these questions.

1) Who are this forum doesn't know what Varx is doing? Not some mythical person who just reads and never posts because even for those, ignoring him and moving on would let Varx stuff fall off the page instead of going for pages. Who on here doesn't know what Varx is doing and actually believes him?

2) How does your responding to him actually change or inform the views of those on this page given the answer of the first question?

3) How does your responding encourage or discourage him from posting even more? Are you correcting him or just feeding him?

4) How does your posting actually inform others or productively progress the thread? And do not give the response of "I disproved him which helped" because that is a cop out response if you give an honest answer to question #1 and is about as productive as me just posting the multiplication table over and over again, being factually true doesn't make it productive in context.

Answer these questions honestly and you will see just how unproductive your actions with Varx is and just how much he is kicking your collective butts in the process.

I'm not here to "progress the thread" - what are you on about?

I'm here to discuss, and i believe in social ostracism. See if the majority thinks you have a shitty opinion, and everytime you sprout it you get pushback, you probably will shut up sooner or later. Because that's how it actually works. People dont change their mind. But opinions become out of favour for the majority and they die. Doesn't mean the last people who still believe in it suddenly change, but they will shut up when they realize they aren't getting anywhere. So the message dies down.

Let's take a less controversial topic than the commonly used slavery and nazis. Voting for women. Do you think suddenly everyone was for it? No, old geezers probably still though the should be pregnant and naked in the kitchen, but they learned to shut up, and they died off, and people being born afterwards are much lees likely to encounter an opinion that was prevalent just a generation before.

To add on top of this: Discussion is fun.

And that's all the reason i need. If you dont like it, apply as a moderator and try to change the rules according to your liking, but yeah, this backseat moderation that you try in every thread is really annoying. I don't need your approval or consent to post.

[Rasulis]

This cannot be stressed enough: The Republican position continues to consistently be rejected by their own voters. Even in deep red states attempts to permanently outlaw abortion or specify that their Constitution does not grant a right/legal access to it keep losing.

That's it. That's the long and short of it. America is largely with "us" on this, even if we have differences of opinion when it comes to limitations. But the resounding, repeat result is this: American's consistently reject extremist Republican attempts to outlaw all access to reproductive health services like abortion. Period. There's no ifs, ands, or buts.

The economy may or may not be a drag for Democrats in the upcoming 2024 election. However, I am willing to bet that abortion will still be a drag for Republicans. This fight will go on for decades. Not only on the ballots, but also in courts. Kentucky pro-lifers tried to get around it with their state constitutional amendment, and they failed big time.

[Mekh]

To US, cancer has one purpose and that is to kill you.

Categorically and laughably wrong.

THIS LADIES AND GENTLEMAN IS THE LEVEL OF EDUCATION THAT PRESUMES TO SPEAK ON THE TOPIC OF ABORTION.

[Fugus]

Thnxs for that.

But honestly even if they don't respond to me I'll just come back to post it again in a week or two.

These forums are too liberal for their own good and they need to see some of the opposing view points instead of stagnating as an echo chamber.

I'm just helping them grow out of their phase.

I know your game, you are talking to guy who me and my friends used to do the same thing in the old AOL chatroom days. It was fun when I was a teenager, but completely unproductive.

My favorite still is watching a friend go into a black chatroom claiming to be in the KKK and then immediately go into a white supremacy chat pretending to be black. The responses and rages were funny as hell but that was 20 years ago and most of these people here aren't teenagers I think so they should have grown out of that I would hope.

But also, we both know that you wouldn't keep coming back every week or two if they just ignored you, the fun would dry up when the reactions did.

So not commenting on the whole liberal vs non-liberal aspect of your post, just on the actions you are actually doing and why.

I understand it is fun to you and why it is, the only thing I can't understand is whether the people responding to you enjoy the cat and mouse game or if they are annoyed that you are posting lies and feel duty bound to correct them even if it is pointless and counter productive to do so. But, they seem to enjoy it I guess.

[Fugus]

I'm not here to "progress the thread" - what are you on about?

I'm here to discuss, and i believe in social ostracism. See if the majority thinks you have a shitty opinion, and everytime you sprout it you get pushback, you probably will shut up sooner or later. Because that's how it actually works. People dont change their mind. But opinions become out of favour for the majority and they die. Doesn't mean the last people who still believe in it suddenly change, but they will shut up when they realize the aren't getting anywhere. So the message dies down.

Let's take a less controversial topic than the obvious slavery and nazis. Voting for women. Do you think suddenly everyone was for it? No, old geezers probably still though the should be pregnant and naked in the kitchen, but they learned to shut up, and they died off, and people being born afterwards are much lees likely to encounter an opinion that was prevalent just a generation before.

To add on top of this: Discussion is fun.

And that's all the reason i need. If you dont like it, apply as a moderator and try to change the rules according to your liking, but yeah, this backseat moderation that you try in every thread is really annoying. I don't need your approval or consent to post.

Translation, you don't like the answers so you dodge the question. Fine by me, going AFK now, legit last post on the topic. Enjoy losing the debates.

[Varx]

Man, y'all really are the party of "Feels over reals" and y'all keep doubling and tripling down on that shit while being seemingly completely obvious.

What's right is right. If we didn't live in a society then it wouldn't matter.

[Endus]

But before I do, let me ask you these questions.

1) Who on this forum doesn't know what Varx is doing? Not some mythical person who just reads and never posts because even for those, ignoring him and moving on would let Varx stuff fall off the page instead of going for pages. Who on here doesn't know what Varx is doing and actually believes him?

He's not getting a lot of vocal support, but his views are shared by a huge number of Americans, and there's plenty of thread readers who aren't posting. So who knows?

2) How does your responding to him actually change or inform the views of those on this page given the answer of the first question?

Inform? Given that I take pains to explain why his arguments don't hold up, I don't see how it doesn't potentially inform readers' views.

3) How does your responding encourage or discourage him from posting even more? Are you correcting him or just feeding him?

Frankly, I don't believe he's actually trolling, meaning posting shit he doesn't believe because he's trying to provoke a reaction. I think he believes it. It's not like it's an unusual position for an American. And "feeding" only applies if he is doing it to provoke. And even there, that's such a stupid reaction and none of us are actually angry.

4) How does your posting actually inform others or productively progress the thread? And do not give the response of "I disproved him which helped" because that is a cop out response if you give an honest answer to question #1 and is about as productive as me just posting the multiplication table over and over again, being factually true doesn't make it productive in context.

Again, detailing why arguments in opposition to abortion fail to hold up due to internal logical inconsistency or intentionally dishonest manipulation tactics does help inform and progress the thread. I don't see the argument how it doesn't.

Answer these questions honestly and you will see just how unproductive your actions with Varx is and just how much he is kicking your collective butts in the process.

It's like debating creationists. You don't do it to change the minds of the creationist. You do it to expose to the audience how meritless their claims are.

I also fundamentally disagree with dismissing people like Varx as "trolls". When you've got people exactly like him literally running for and winning federal office, like Marjorie Taylor Greene and possibly Lauren Boebert though it's looking like she might narrowly fail to keep her seat.

[Fugus]

First of all, I rarely notice you at all.

Secondly, I haven't engaged with him minus a single post when he started this whole thing. My arse remains unkicked.

Thirdly, it is laughable that you can talk about others posting productively when you've yet again derailed a thread further with your typical posting. And again, I didn't feed him.

If you aren't responding to him on this topic, I apologize and retract my statement towards you. Thank you for that. Typically when I see his name or a quote of it, I skip the entire posts typically as they are devoid of anything worth reading and tend to be very circular.

As I have explained multiple times, the only way to win the game is to not play which you are doing, making you the winner in that exchange.