SCOTUS removes Roe V Wade

[Varx]

So I have a right to use your organs, blood or other tissues regardless if you consent or not?

Nope, not the same thing.

Though you were just stopping by?

[gondrin]

Nope, not the same thing.

Though you were just stopping by?

Well, you are saying the mother has to carry the fetus to term regardless of the wishes of the mother outside of some extreme examples. So I am giving you the same type of example as a fetus will use the body of the mother to sustain itself as that is what it does. Without the blood flow from the mother, the fetus will die.

So, once again, I have a right to use your blood, organs or tissues to sustain me regardless if you consent or not? I mean, consistency is a thing here.

[Varx]

Well, you are saying the mother has to carry the fetus to term regardless of the wishes of the mother outside of some extreme examples. So I am giving you the same type of example as a fetus will use the body of the mother to sustain itself as that is what it does. Without the blood flow from the mother, the fetus will die.

So, once again, I have a right to use your blood, organs or tissues to sustain me regardless if you consent or not? I mean, consistency is a thing here.

Again not the same,I already explained why so read back

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You have already said you are ok with murder in some cases. You DON'T have the moral high ground you think you do.

Yeah for self defense.

[Cthulhu 2020]

If you engage in sex you know that there's a chance for contraceptives to fail. So if ur not prepared for that then it's your fault not the baby's.

No one is gonna feel bad for you because you lost your life savings in a casino

People are going to have sex. Having sex for pleasure is something humans have done since the beginning of human history. Having sex for pleasure is something that is even documented among animals. It's quite natural, seeing as how you're a proponent of "natural" stuff, no matter how arbitrary your definition is.

You're not going to stop people from having sex for pleasure. EVER.

So what we've found out is that you don't particularly care about life, and are thus not about life, and you want pregnancy to be the result of sex. So you have a very puritanical view of sex? That it should only ever be for conception?

[Captain N]

So what we've found out is that you don't particularly care about life, and are thus not about life, and you want pregnancy to be the result of sex. So you have a very puritanical view of sex? That it should only ever be for conception?

I'm going to go with he's a staunch advocate on punishing women for having sex because there's a really good chance he's not getting any.

[Varx]

People are going to have sex. Having sex for pleasure is something humans have done since the beginning of human history. Having sex for pleasure is something that is even documented among animals. It's quite natural, seeing as how you're a proponent of "natural" stuff, no matter how arbitrary your definition is.

You're not going to stop people from having sex for pleasure. EVER.

So what we've found out is that you don't particularly care about life, and are thus not about life, and you want pregnancy to be the result of sex. So you have a very puritanical view of sex? That it should only ever be for conception?

Jesus no lol

I'm all for recreational sex lmao. I'm just saying there's an aspect of responsibility that comes with it. Like everything else about growing up

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I'm going to go with he's a staunch advocate on punishing women for having sex because there's a really good chance he's not getting any.

Boy u don't even know. I have a very VERY healthy marriage that begun in sex crazed high school I'm just in tuned with personal accountability

[Endus]

No I do understand them, I just feel like "right to bodily autonomy doesn't apply to perfectly viable and consensual pregnancies.

And yet, you can't even begin making an argument to support that. We keep asking, you keep refusing.

You wanna fuck up your body with drugs and w/e be by guest. But I don't see pregnancy like that.

No what self-ownership is about.

So with that being said, it's just a matter of a difference in values. life being the correct one of a perfect civilized society.

You're not in favor of "life". You're in favor of denying women ownership over themselves, and the infliction of hardship and suffering that entails. As you've freely admitted, you don't actually care about the nascent life that a fetus represents. You openly admitted that. You don't get to take that admission back.

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If you engage in sex you know that there's a chance for contraceptives to fail. So if ur not prepared for that then it's your fault not the baby's.

No one is gonna feel bad for you because you lost your life savings in a casino

If you want to use gambling as a metaphor, here, then forced pregnancy (which is what you're arguing for) is responsibly choosing to stop gambling when you've spent $200 and choosing to go home, and the casino owners block your exist and tell you that you can't leave as long as there's money in your account. You have to stay and continue playing. You don't get a choice; you started gambling, so you can't withdraw your consent after you've started.

That's your argument. It's vile and indefensible. All the bullshit "sex is consent to pregnancy" falls apart once you acknowledge that consent can always be withdrawn. And if you won't allow consent to be withdrawn, well, see the casino example and how that underscores that your position is an attack on women's fundamental rights and freedoms, first and foremost.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Jesus no lol

I'm all for recreational sex lmao. I'm just saying there's an aspect of responsibility that comes with it. Like everything else about growing up

There isn't though. We have very reliable and safe methods of inducing an abortion for unwanted pregnancies. So really, this just seems like you have a very puritan view of sex, or you want to punish women for having sex.

Not that I'd ever share either of those, but I could at least understand a puritan view of sex. I can't understand wanting to punish women who decided to engage in recreational sex because contraception fails.

We realize you and your wife have been attempting to have a child, and have failed thus far. As a stable pair, you have decided you are ready for that. But again, that does mean you get to dictate how other women's bodies are used.

[Varx]

I think you guys should just consume some conservative media, like the daily wire.i don't agree with EVERYTHING from there, but yeah.

Maybe you might get a different perspective and make a different opinion.

I used to be pretty liberal myself.

At this point we just gonna go in circles.

[Orange Joe]

I think you guys should just consume some conservative media, like the daily wire.i don't agree with EVERYTHING from there, but yeah.

Maybe you might get a different perspective and make a different opinion.

I used to be pretty liberal myself.

At this point we just gonna go in circles.

I grew up in a Christian family I don't need to read propaganda to get a different perspective.

[Edge-]

I think you guys should just consume some conservative media, like the daily wire.i don't agree with EVERYTHING from there, but yeah.

Why should we waste our time on fact-free propaganda?

Maybe you might get a different perspective and make a different opinion.

Why should we care what propaganda sites write? May as well care about what gets posted on Stormfront.

[Varx]

Why should we waste our time on fact-free propaganda?



Why should we care what propaganda sites write? May as well care about what gets posted on Stormfront.

You might as well just call anything conservative "conservative propaganda"

[Edge-]

You might as well just call anything conservative "conservative propaganda"

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-daily-wire/

No, it just happens that most conservative sites have gone hard on propaganda and abandoned any pretenses of actually reporting the news.

[Endus]

I think you guys should just consume some conservative media, like the daily wire.i don't agree with EVERYTHING from there, but yeah.

Maybe you might get a different perspective and make a different opinion.

If their perspective is objectively verifiable and stands up to scrutiny, there would be no need to subsume ourselves in a mess of propaganda to "get it".

You're basically just admitting there isn't an argument you can make, because it's all just empty feelings and propaganda. Yeah, you're not gonna convince anyone with that, because you don't have an argument. As you've repeatedly made clear.

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You might as well just call anything conservative "conservative propaganda"

Plenty of non-extremist-propaganda out there. You were the one who picked a propaganda outlet rather than a reliable source. Don't try and pin that on us.

[Varx]

If their perspective is objectively verifiable and stands up to scrutiny, there would be no need to subsume ourselves in a mess of propaganda to "get it".

You're basically just admitting there isn't an argument you can make, because it's all just empty feelings and propaganda. Yeah, you're not gonna convince anyone with that, because you don't have an argument. As you've repeatedly made clear.

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Plenty of non-extremist-propaganda out there. You were the one who picked a propaganda outlet rather than a reliable source. Don't try and pin that on us.

I'm admitting to disagree, papi. You can take it or not it's fine. This could go on all night.

[Endus]

I'm admitting to disagree, papi. You can take it or not it's fine. This could go on all night.

There is no "agree to disagree" here. There's reality, and there's lies. And when your lies serve the single purpose of harming women by denying them their basic human rights, we're not talking about simple differences of subjective opinion.

[unfilteredJW]

Have you ever considered that your troll days aren't over, and you just have evolved into a less obvious troll? Your constant derailment of threads and unnecessary aggressive posting would suggest that. I mean you're still using the "I'm out but i'm having the last post, hurdur".

Nailed it.

[Fugus]

Nailed it.

haha, try again.

Was interesting to see how much he kicked their butts though.

But, I did actually troll on here once and I admitted it while I was actively doing, did it without even lying about anything and you guys still fell for it for 2 pages because you couldn't help yourselves.

Thanks man, about to go to sleep and you gave me a good laugh for the night.
@Varx

I see you have had a lot of fun kicking their butts, hopefully they will learn the lesson I told them a long time ago from playing your game in the 90s.

Also Unfiltered, if you want, you can post that screenshot you said you made back then when I admitted to how I knew what they were doing, I have been waiting to see that for a while now. At least I think that was you who said you screenshotted it, been waiting to see it like it was some gotcha that it isn't.

Later.

[unfilteredJW]

haha, try again.

Was interesting to see how much he kicked their butts though.

But, I did actually troll on here once and I admitted it while I was actively doing, did it without even lying about anything and you guys still fell for it for 2 pages because you couldn't help yourselves.

Thanks man, about to go to sleep and you gave me a good laugh for the night.
@Varx

I see you have had a lot of fun kicking their butts, hopefully they will learn the lesson I told them a long time ago from playing your game in the 90s.

Also Unfiltered, if you want, you can post that screenshot you said you made back then when I admitted to how I knew what they were doing, I have been waiting to see that for a while now. At least I think that was you who said you screenshotted it, been waiting to see it like it was some gotcha that it isn't.

Later.

Didn't ask.

[Pannonian]

haha, try again.

Was interesting to see how much he kicked their butts though.

But, I did actually troll on here once and I admitted it while I was actively doing, did it without even lying about anything and you guys still fell for it for 2 pages because you couldn't help yourselves.

Thanks man, about to go to sleep and you gave me a good laugh for the night.
@Varx

I see you have had a lot of fun kicking their butts, hopefully they will learn the lesson I told them a long time ago from playing your game in the 90s.

Also Unfiltered, if you want, you can post that screenshot you said you made back then when I admitted to how I knew what they were doing, I have been waiting to see that for a while now. At least I think that was you who said you screenshotted it, been waiting to see it like it was some gotcha that it isn't.

Later.

It really is an achievement, to - in a thread were one guy goes on and on about how he wants to control and force woman to be pregnant - be the most annoying poster, but with the sanctimonious "holier than thou" attitude you cleary made it.

Please stop your backseat moderation, or at least be less smug about it, because between your self-important know-it-all attitude and your constant praise of the troll, you come across as quite the dick.

So before you trolled, now you try to moderate the content of others, and give trolls coaching? How about trying to post constructive and on topic for once?

Oh, and weren't you "out"? Declaring you're out just to come back and take jabs again... looks a bit trolley to me. Maybe consider that you don't come across as grown up and sophisticated as you think.

I mean seriously, look at your last post: You think that isn't trolling? You're just heaping praise on the guy you consider a troll, are insulting everyone else, are stocking the flames, and be all around extremely smug about your perceived superiority. But you're not the troll? My dude! Get a mirror!

Well, after thinking a bit, there is a second option beside you being just a troll:

Given the last few pages, the only person you have a kind word for is the guy who wants to control woman. Isn't it interesting, that you only encourage the other side to stop posting? While being best buddies with the guy you consider a troll. If you too want to control women, just say it openly, no underhanded tactics necessary. Again, read your last post: The guy kicked the ass of everyone, you buddy up to him as he is teaching us an important lesson... If you want to argue for the pro-life side, just do it, no need to be coy.