Russian invasion of Ukraine

**Corvus** · 2022-11-12, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by YUPPIE

you make it sound like the belarusian army is just another set of untrained thugs, not counting the russians

You saw how poor russias army turned out? Well the Belarusian one is worse. It's got a tiny budget, not many troops, it's equipment is even older than russias and it is conscripts based. If ordered its unlikely they fight.

Plus Lukashenko only retains power by having the army around. If that goes, he is in trouble.

It'd be a slaughter. The Ukrainians have been preparing extensive defences along the border, are much better equipped and battle hardened.

**zealo** · 2022-11-12, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by Corvus

You saw how poor russias army turned out? Well the Belarusian one is worse. It's got a tiny budget, not many troops, it's equipment is even older than russias and it is conscripts based. If ordered its unlikely they fight.

Plus Lukashenko only retains power by having the army around. If that goes, he is in trouble.

It'd be a slaughter. The Ukrainians have been preparing extensive defences along the border, are much better equipped and battle hardened.

Not only that, the border regions between Ukraine and Belarus has some of the largest natural wetlands in Europe, getting bogged down in a front there would be absolutely miserable for them to deal with.

**Gorsameth** · 2022-11-12, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by Vladier

I may be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that the post was about Russian civilians not violently rebelling against their government, despite having no chance to actually succeed at it, not about soldiers.

If the 3-400.000 that fled mobilization instead marched on the Kremlin, do you think that would have done nothing?

**Vladier** · 2022-11-12, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by Gorsameth

If the 3-400.000 that fled mobilization instead marched on the Kremlin, do you think that would have done nothing?

You say that as if the Kremlin was just around the corner from them. The thing is, most of the people who fled were pretty much already on Russia's border, so they fled to Kazakhstan or Georgia, or wherever. There is also a matter of communication - any attempts at forming a protest are monitored, and any liberal networking efforts that could assist with that were crushed a long time ago, before and after 2012, and most people around whom a large scale protest could crystallize are living in exile or are incarcerated. Fleeing to another country is easier to do, because it can be done all by yourself.

So while I don't think that a rebellion of 400000 fleeing mobilized men would be easy to put down even for Putin, that such a rebellion could be formed in the first place is a fantasy that does not involve understanding of the kind of logistics such a rebellion would require. Putin even sidestepped the "disgruntled army outside the capital" issue that doomed the Russian Empire by sending the mobilized "soldiers" directly to war rather than bothering to train and organize them first.

**Rustedsaint** · 2022-11-12, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by Gorsameth

If the 3-400.000 that fled mobilization instead marched on the Kremlin, do you think that would have done nothing?

Probably nothing, kremlin has already shown it’s not afraid to massacre it’s own citizens, kill enough to send the crowd stampeding away from the kremlin then blame “western agents” for inciting the mob.
Never forget that millions died to the Soviet Union actions, these people who “inherited” the will of the union are just as cable.

**Vampiregenesis** · 2022-11-12, 11:11 AM

I see somewhere that the russians are trying to damage nova kakhova, was it a trap after all?

**zealo** · 2022-11-12, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by Vampiregenesis

I see somewhere that the russians are trying to damage nova kakhova, was it a trap after all?

Wouldn't make much sense at this moment. The side of the river the Russians are on is the one most susceptible for flooding if the dam broke. Id be cautious until we see wider confirmation of it happening.

**Iphie** · 2022-11-12, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by Vampiregenesis

I see somewhere that the russians are trying to damage nova kakhova, was it a trap after all?

News is they're blowing the bridge, not the dam itself, and that, weirdly, makes sense, by leaving the dam intact the reservoir stays, so water for Crimea and the Nuclear power plant will remain cooled, while denying movement to the Ukrainians.

**Gabriel** · 2022-11-12, 11:57 AM

I wouldn't underestimate just how fucking stupid the vatniks are.

**YUPPIE** · 2022-11-12, 02:19 PM