Should Dracthy’s Draconic form be sex-specific?

[Le Conceptuel]

Not to mention it's wow. We are talking about fucking World of Warcraft. Big muscles are a default. These feminine famelic lizards don't come close to anything that deserves to be called 'super' not to mention 'perfect' soldiers. Drakonids would shit shatter them in seconds.

On one hand, I agree with your sentiment that Dracthyr look like fametic lizards. Conversely, I am deeply concerned about your interest in making said some of said lizards possess secondary sexual characteristics exclusive to mammals, going off the discussion about the Dragonspawn models with breasts. Your emphasis on the concern about femininity is also very strange to me. I do not detect "femininity" in the Dracthyr model, it's just underwhelming.

[Auburst]

We get it dude....you've already made it painfully clear you can't get off to modern wow dragons, I'm sure you can find dragon porn all over the internet...rule 34 is a good bet

Thanks for your constant projections. They are quite vibrant.

The "perfect" soldier being one that possesses maximum power in all possible areas is also your own fabrication that simply suits your vision of a bulky class. It's suspect both lore-wise (nowhere is it said that creating such a thing is even a possibility); and of course gameplay-wise (especially if you consider that the Evoker is the BEST of those "perfect" soldiers). In game terms, it would mean such a thing should have access to skills similar to all classes, while being tanky as a tank (but better); healing as well as any healer (but better), and outdpsing any existing class.

In reality, the "perfect" attribute (that's not even expanded upon) simply means, in very vague terms, that they were great soldiers, period. There's not a single bit of lore anywhere that would even suggest that Neltharion managed to create a soldier that possesses all possible power, both physical and magical. And it's silly to even consider that. You're using the short stories as an argument of them being bulky? So go and have a look again how easily are those "perfect soldiers" dispatched by the Primals. Perfect soldiers indeed.

Perfect means perfect. In game terms they are limited by gameplay, that is they need to be balanced. I hope my explanation helped.
Legacies show buff bodies, they should have them in game too.

So was Neltharion driven to fall under the Old Gods sway. There always are bigger and stronger foes in stories. This was pretty lamefucked tho, for big N to be pushed so hard by some crazy storm bitch - bad, bad writing.

The very fact they are dragon hybrids should cover physical might. Weird it needs to be stressed out. It really is silly.

LOLLOLOLOL
"Female dragons have gentler head shapes"

"Females don't have beards, expect for when they do."

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You seem to confuse human with humanoid...
that is like saying
"Whales are fish, and since they are fish, they lay eggs."

Yes.




LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

All unique female models of dragons have gentler faces. Check Tarecgosa, Alexstrasza and Ysera and compare them to unique male dragon faces.

Yes the chromatic flight was created, after another 20 thousand years of experimenting.

And I don’t believe there is any mention of her being an Evoker any where just that she was the leader of the Adamant Vigil who we see in the 3rd episode and notably are not all or Mabye even partially evokers.

Nefarian started his project after Deathwing disappeared.

It's even in your quote, they are 'the most' of all weyrns.

Edit: it's confirmed in the newest cinematic. Also, in another cinematic Dracthyr say 'by wing or by talon' and then proceeds to melee enemy.

No, he clearly wants to fap of dragon tits.
And big buffed draenei-dudes aparently.



Saragosa has a unique model. Not gentle shape, no jewels and has a beard:




Saragosa also is a good example that what he said is not true.

That's reused Azuregos's model. Checkmate.

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On one hand, I agree with your sentiment that Dracthyr look like fametic lizards. Conversely, I am deeply concerned about your interest in making said some of said lizards possess secondary sexual characteristics exclusive to mammals, going off the discussion about the Dragonspawn models with breasts. Your emphasis on the concern about femininity is also very strange to me. I do not detect "femininity" in the Dracthyr model, it's just underwhelming.

I made one comment about it in response to someone claiming dragonkin don't have tits. They do. Dracthyr have big thighs and asses no matter the body option. Add to this narrow shoulders and you get close to feminine famelic freak. Also, Dracthyr are a hybrid between lizards and mammals.

[Aucald]

Warcraft movie well demonstrated the difference in strength between humans and orcs.

You don't mean the Warcraft movie where the decidedly lanky and not at all muscle-bound Lothar slaughters several orcs, then goes up against Warchief Blackhand himself and two-shots him without breaking a sweat? That's less convincing on your whole "muscles = strength" front than you think:

[Phob]

No. It's a reptile. /thread

[Auburst]

You don't mean the Warcraft movie where the decidedly lanky and not at all muscle-bound Lothar slaughters several orcs, then goes up against Warchief Blackhand himself and two-shots him without breaking a sweat? That's less convincing on your whole "muscles = strength" front than you think:

I mean exactly that one. Exceptional named characters fought and the better one emerged victorious.



It's the baseline that matters.

[DatToffer]

They should, Yeah. Since they are humanoids. Humanoids are either boys or girls and the two are physically distinguishable from one another.

But it's 2022, and for whatever reason some people now can't stand this truth.

It's 2022 and biology books have updated their content. Have you tried reading one recently ?

[Lionwoman]

I made one comment about it in response to someone claiming dragonkin don't have tits. They do.

They did. Not anymore. Draknoid and (what was presumably only the female model of) Dragonswpawn updated models show no boobs.

[Auburst]

They did. Not anymore. Draknoid and (what was presumably only the female model of) Dragonswpawn updated models show no boobs.

Old models still do have them.

[Aucald]

I mean exactly that one. Exceptional named characters fought and the better one emerged victorious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85w9xMYIOHI

It's the baseline that matters.

Both of those videos basically belie the point you're trying to make in this thread, though. Lothar outright says not to counter the orcs with brute strength, the implication being to outmaneuver and outthink them, which is exactly how and why Lothar wins his duel with Blackhand almost effortlessly and survives the ambush in your clip above. And in a double subversion of your party line, the victor in the ambush clip above is neither the nimble and skilled Lothar nor the burly and brutal orcs, but rather a skinny sorcerer who shows up and hands the entire group's collective asses to them.

[SilverLion]

Both of those videos basically belie the point you're trying to make in this thread, though. Lothar outright says not to counter the orcs with brute strength, the implication being to outmaneuver and outthink them, which is exactly how and why Lothar wins his duel with Blackhand almost effortlessly and survives the ambush in your clip above. And in a double subversion of your party line, the victor in the ambush clip above is neither the nimble and skilled Lothar nor the burly and brutal orcs, but rather a skinny sorcerer who shows up and hands the entire group's collective asses to them.

Are people actually arguing that massive meatheads are good in a real fight? Like for reals? Because that's hilarious. A lithe yet athletic frame is basically ideal for any practical combat and that's exactly what the Dracthyr have.

[Auburst]

Both of those videos basically belie the point you're trying to make in this thread, though. Lothar outright says not to counter the orcs with brute strength, the implication being to outmaneuver and outthink them, which is exactly how and why Lothar wins his duel with Blackhand almost effortlessly and survives the ambush in your clip above. And in a double subversion of your party line, the victor in the ambush clip above is neither the nimble and skilled Lothar nor the burly and brutal orcs, but rather a skinny sorcerer who shows up and hands the entire group's collective asses to them.

It didn't help any of his men, they still died all the same. Not everyone is as clever or as resourceful as Lothar. In proper battle, with less room to move, their chances would have been even smaller.
It took seconds for Gul'dan do disarm Grom and pin him to a wall like a doll. Magic gonna be magic.

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Are people actually arguing that massive meatheads are good in a real fight? Like for reals? Because that's hilarious. A lithe yet athletic frame is basically ideal for any practical combat and that's exactly what the Dracthyr have.

Yes, because in real life not all big muscular people are 'meatheads'.

[Rageonit]

Perfect means perfect.

No, perfect means little without proper context. One could say a perfect soldier is one that's strong and always obedient - and that's as good definition as any.

[Aucald]

It didn't help any of his men, they still died all the same. Not everyone is as clever or as resourceful as Lothar. In proper battle, with less room to move, their chances would have been even smaller.
It took seconds for Gul'dan do disarm Grom and pin him to a wall like a doll. Magic gonna be magic.

This goes to show you that strength alone, especially in its form as ostentatious bulkiness, is meaningless. Lothar's men got caught out in an ambush and stomped - Lothar, being more agile and quicker on his feet, rallied and escaped death due to his skill. But you're not taking any of that into account in your one-sided creed about being bulky or having muscles on muscles - you criticize dracthyr for having wiry agile forms and not appearing like hulking drakonid, missing the point of both videos entirely.

Not to mention the playable dracthyr are all spellcasters like Gul'dan, Medivh, and Khadgar - meaning they're not going to be bulky or massive because they're not envisioned as melee combat monsters. Magic, as you said, is gonna be magic.

[Auburst]

No, perfect means little without proper context. One could say a perfect soldier is one that's strong and always obedient - and that's as good definition as any.

Perfect soldier means that a soldier is perfect in all matters pertaining to being a soldier. Today's trailer also has Dracthyr say they fight with wings and talons.

[Aucald]

Are people actually arguing that massive meatheads are good in a real fight? Like for reals? Because that's hilarious. A lithe yet athletic frame is basically ideal for any practical combat and that's exactly what the Dracthyr have.

That's pretty much what a subset of people here appear to be doing, yes. This isn't to disparage burly brawlers and the like, who can be quite dangerous - but going into a fight thinking massive muscles will be an automatic win is basically asking for a beatdown from someone who can run circles around you and knows exactly where to hit to make it hurt.

[qwerty123456]

They have plenty of muscles in the biggest form, more would be on show. Did you ever see how a typical elite soldier looks like...? Quantity of muscles is irrelevant, what matters is muscle quality. Big muscles = more weight and more oxygen needed to keep the body going; put a heavy armor on a bodybuilder and ask him to run for 10 mins - I can guarantee he will pass out long before that.

And no, they are not created from dragons.

Keep talking out of your ass and hope people don't call you out on it lol.

Have you seen male human or orc? Male humans look like Arnold Schwarzenegger and Popeye had a baby together. Clearly you don't know wow's aesthetics very well. I guess according to you we gotta remove gnome tanks since they would be physically impossible to take a hit from almost anything in the game without being flung like a golf ball.

I assume your the guy that created them? Musta been fantasizing about them since the third grade to be that insentient on keeping them 100% the way you made em.

That's pretty much what a subset of people here appear to be doing, yes. This isn't to disparage burly brawlers and the like, who can be quite dangerous - but going into a fight thinking massive muscles will be an automatic win is basically asking for a beatdown from someone who can run circles around you and knows exactly where to hit to make it hurt.

People aren't saying that muscle only wins. But someone has to have never been in a fight before to think mass doesn't matter. Theres a reason there are weight classes in MMA/Boxing.

Have you seen the new lore for Drakonids? They uplifted Tarasek to create them. Tarasek are much smaller and closer to Dracthyr in size. Deathwing thinks the Tarasek are just pathetic and Drakonids are great just not adaptable enough which is why he creates the Dracthyr. So why on earth would he take a walking tank and devolve it back into a Tarasek with wings?

[Rageonit]

Keep talking out of your ass and hope people don't call you out on it lol.

Have you seen male human or orc? Male humans look like Arnold Schwarzenegger and Popeye had a baby together. Clearly you don't know wow's aesthetics very well. I guess according to you we gotta remove gnome tanks since they would be physically impossible to take a hit from almost everything in the game without being flung like a golf ball.

I assume your the guy that created them? Musta been fantasizing about them since the third grade to be that insentient on keeping them 100% the way you made em.

No, I'm not talking out of my ass, I'm stating simple fact. You, on the other hand, live in the past and would like to hold the current devs hostage to something created more than 15 years ago. Guess what, the current devs don't care and would rather show you a middle finger. What will you do about it? Stamp your feet some more and call the devs names? Go ahead, lets see where it gets you

[Auburst]

This goes to show you that strength alone, especially in its form as ostentatious bulkiness, is meaningless. Lothar's men got caught out in an ambush and stomped - Lothar, being more agile and quicker on his feet, rallied and escaped death due to his skill. But you're not taking any of that into account in your one-sided creed about being bulky or having muscles on muscles - you criticize dracthyr for having wiry agile forms and not appearing like hulking drakonid, missing the point of both videos entirely.

Not to mention the playable dracthyr are all spellcasters like Gul'dan, Medivh, and Khadgar - meaning they're not going to be bulky or massive because they're not envisioned as melee combat monsters. Magic, as you said, is gonna be magic.

The point of the video doesn't apply to baseline troops. I won't even bother addressing the absurdity of the way Lothar killed Blackhand, because unless fel dropped his heart or brain to balls, I don't see how he lost that way. Lothar's way of thinking is based on the idea that Orcs are intellectualy inferior and will undermine Humans and rely on strength alone. Tropes don't make fights.

They clearly are envisioned this way considering their use of halberds and today's quote about fighting with wings and talons. The very idea that Neltharion somehow thought 'I'll make them soopah doopah magic users but I won't bother to give them impressive physicality to match' is bizarre to me. He wasn't a game designer making them with game balance in mind, he made them from dragons and mortals. There's no reason why they shouldn't be both swole and able to use all dragonflights powers. In fact, Legacies show that they indeed can be big.

[Rageonit]

Perfect soldier means that a soldier is perfect in all matters pertaining to being a soldier. Today's trailer also has Dracthyr say they fight with wings and talons.

And a perfect soldier is one that will go into any fight obediently - just like the Dractyhrs were supposed to do when Neltharion created them. They don't have to be "best" at everything, because soldiers are expendable. Why do you think did he create so many?

EDIT: Also, the very existence of Evokers disproves your claim, because if they're "better" Dracthyrs, then it means Dracthyrs are far from perfect.

[Dalinos]

No, I'm not talking out of my ass, I'm stating simple fact. You, on the other hand, live in the past and would like to hold the current devs hostage to something created more than 15 years ago. Guess what, the current devs don't care and would rather show you a middle finger. What will you do about it? Stamp your feet some more and call the devs names? Go ahead, lets see where it gets you

The current devs are literally trying to undo the work of the Old Guard that made WoW what it is. I mean, look at the new Hogger model. It's disgusting. Old Hogger had fucking blood dripping from his mouth - new Hogger looks like a plushie with an accute, severe instance of Down's Syndrome. The Heroes of the Storm Hogger model is actually true to the original and updated for modern standards. I can GUARANTEE you if the Old Guard made the Drac'thyr, we'd have male/female option, with the male looking mostly like the buffed up BWL Drakonids that twirl their polearms around while cleaving through T2 geared tanks, and the females looking like the Dragonspawn, who have tits and feminine clothing. Of course, no visage form, cause fuck that (just like you rarely see Worgen players chilling in Human form, or Guardian/Feral druids chilling in anything but Bear/Cat form).

Whoever posted that deviant-art-furry-dragon-humanoid picture was spot on. That's what the current Drac'thyr look like. DeviantArt fantasies of people who get turned on by anthropomorphic animals. They even have their own name, I learn. "Scaleys" they're called. Now I have no issue with w/e people like to do in their private time, but don't bring that stuff into WoW. Turning the badass oldschool WoW dragons/drakonids/dragonspawn into....whatever Drac'thyr are, is a farce. And a bad one at that.

To deny that the new devs are actively moving away from the old-school WoW aesthetic is dishonest.