Federalist Admits Fascism; "Stop Calling Us Conservatives"

[Edge-]

Yikes. Well, have fun with your revolution and war on the fascist pigs.

I guess you lost interest after it was pointed out that Republicans do want to turn the US into a theocracy like Iran and have moved onto other completely made up, often projected, bullshit.

[tehdang]

after it was pointed out that Republicans do want to turn the US into a theocracy like Iran

I regard the absurd equating of US Republicans with the Ayatollah & IRGC in terms of aims to be so kooky and outlandish as to demean the speaker. I'd sooner debate a person telling me their sincere belief that Jews engineered 9/11, and asking me to spend time considering the evidence. If you really, truly believe a major party in the US pursues theocracy like Iran's approximation of it, then I can only muster pity and shock at the descent of some segment in the American Left into madness. The plight of Iranians under Sharia law and the state's violent repression should not be so callously warped to mimic American cultural and civil rights fights and wielded as a political line of attack. How can you even stoop lower, other than to say violent revolution is now justified given the coming theocratic fascism?

[Kathranis]

The only thing Christian Conservatives have against Sharia Law is that it's Arabic and that scares them. Ideologically there's very little difference between the American Far Right and those of heavily Conservative Islamic States.

[Edge-]

I regard the absurd equating of US Republicans with the Ayatollah & IRGC in terms of aims to be so kooky and outlandish as to demean the speaker.

Despite me showing polling indicating that yes, Republicans do want a theocracy, just like Iran has. Which you compared the Republican party to dismissively.

I'll take your apology, but I won't take your fucking dishonest attempt to show concern for my feelings. Stop that, I don't need your fake concern.

I'd sooner debate a person telling me their sincere belief that Jews engineered 9/11, and asking me to spend time considering the evidence.

Multiple polls.

If you want to reject reality and spread lies that's not cool, but that's your right. We'll just be here to call out every single empty, pathetic lie as you tell them.

[Endus]

I regard the absurd equating of US Republicans with the Ayatollah & IRGC in terms of aims to be so kooky and outlandish as to demean the speaker. I'd sooner debate a person telling me their sincere belief that Jews engineered 9/11, and asking me to spend time considering the evidence. If you really, truly believe a major party in the US pursues theocracy like Iran's approximation of it, then I can only muster pity and shock at the descent of some segment in the American Left into madness. The plight of Iranians under Sharia law and the state's violent repression should not be so callously warped to mimic American cultural and civil rights fights and wielded as a political line of attack. How can you even stoop lower, other than to say violent revolution is now justified given the coming theocratic fascism?

Your anti-abortion spiels are exactly the same kind of religious oppression you're decrying in Iran. Claims that the USA is a "Christian Nation" are the same sentiments as enforcing Sharia law on people. This isn't a difference of kind, only degree, and Republicans are actively pushing for greater degrees.

Feigning "shock" at simple facts is ridiculous.

[Paranoid Android]

Maybe not the correct thread and a topic that is off limits on MMO but I'm really trying to give a big picture here. Maybe trying to tie this to this thread is not correct, but trying to deny this hate is not tied to the mainstream conservative movement, especially the media cannot be ignored.

Tucker Carlson guest: Shootings like the Club Q shooting are going to keep happening "until we end this evil agenda" of gender-affirming care.

Jaimee Mitchell is part of a anti LGBTQ group and is know for promoting white supremacy. A guest on Tucker days after the shooting.

https://www.thewrap.com/tucker-carls...assacre-video/


JennaEllisEsq
on the Club Q shooting. The “people killed in the nightclub that night, there is no evidence/that they were Christians. Assuming they have not accepted the truth/affirmed Christ as the lord of their life they are now reaping the consequences of eternal damnation.”

Former Trump lawyer. Not tying this to Trump but a person who does have a public forum and platform.

The Colorado shooter’s dad on finding out his son murdered people: “They started telling me about the incident, a shooting... And then I go on to find out it’s a gay bar. I got scared, ‘Shit, is he gay?’ And he’s not gay, so I said, phew… I am a conservative Republican.”

Alright deep dive here. It first came out hat the Colorado shooter's grandpa was a big MAGA guy. I didn't like the narrative of trying to tie the grandpa to the shooter and politics. Even here the father has his own opinions but doesn't always necessarily reflect the shooters.

So the examples I gave including Matt Walsh, Tim Poole (who cosplays as some neoliberal I think) and others have not even stopped and went full steam ahead on their anti-LGBTQ rhetoric. Shocking that there is no pause especially on this topic.

Right-wing media figures and influencers are doubling down on the use of inflammatory rhetoric against the LGBTQ community in the wake of Saturday night’s Club Q shooting.

My post here is not about LGBTQ. I'm posting about a movement and wanting to further demonize and push a group that is already on the fringe and an easy minority to attack. The basis of any fascist movement to turn them into the enemy and stoke more violence when the group has just faced it.

Edit. Admittedly I'm fiving the example of the mass shooting and shooting and I know this thread is not about. I'm trying to keep it radicalization and ongoing movement. Not about this specific mass shooting.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Maybe not the correct thread and a topic that is off limits on MMO but I'm really trying to give a big picture here. Maybe trying to tie this to this thread is not correct, but trying to deny this hate is not tied to the mainstream conservative movement, especially the media cannot be ignored.

Tucker Carlson guest: Shootings like the Club Q shooting are going to keep happening "until we end this evil agenda" of gender-affirming care.

Jaimee Mitchell is part of a anti LGBTQ group and is know for promoting white supremacy. A guest on Tucker days after the shooting.

https://www.thewrap.com/tucker-carls...assacre-video/


JennaEllisEsq
on the Club Q shooting. The “people killed in the nightclub that night, there is no evidence/that they were Christians. Assuming they have not accepted the truth/affirmed Christ as the lord of their life they are now reaping the consequences of eternal damnation.”

Former Trump lawyer. Not tying this to Trump but a person who does have a public forum and platform.

The Colorado shooter’s dad on finding out his son murdered people: “They started telling me about the incident, a shooting... And then I go on to find out it’s a gay bar. I got scared, ‘Shit, is he gay?’ And he’s not gay, so I said, phew… I am a conservative Republican.”

Alright deep dive here. It first came out hat the Colorado shooter's grandpa was a big MAGA guy. I didn't like the narrative of trying to tie the grandpa to the shooter and politics. Even here the father has his own opinions but doesn't always necessarily reflect the shooters.

So the examples I gave including Matt Walsh, Tim Poole (who cosplays as some neoliberal I think) and others have not even stopped and went full steam ahead on their anti-LGBTQ rhetoric. Shocking that there is no pause especially on this topic.

Right-wing media figures and influencers are doubling down on the use of inflammatory rhetoric against the LGBTQ community in the wake of Saturday night’s Club Q shooting.

My post here is not about LGBTQ. I'm posting about a movement and wanting to further demonize and push a group that is already on the fringe and an easy minority to attack. The basis of any fascist movement to turn them into the enemy and stoke more violence when the group has just faced it.

Edit. Admittedly I'm fiving the example of the mass shooting and shooting and I know this thread is not about. I'm trying to keep it radicalization and ongoing movement. Not about this specific mass shooting.

Let's not forget, the father of the Colorado Springs Shooter is a meth addicted Mormon porn star who was "relieved to hear that his son isn't gay" because "We don't do gay in this household". Not horrified at the incident. Glad that his son wasn't gay.

Yes, if we stop pushing equal rights for people, I'm sure the right wing terrorists will stop aspiring to kill people who just want to live their lives.

[s_bushido]

Right-wing media figures and influencers are doubling down on the use of inflammatory rhetoric against the LGBTQ community in the wake of Saturday night’s Club Q shooting.

What reason do they have to stop? Even when their names and ideas show up explicitly in the manifestos of shooters like this, they face no consequences.

Shapiro's playing a particularly dangerous game, but I guess he thinks that when the time comes, he'll simply be able to take off his little hat to avoid the inevitable outcome of fanning the flames of fascism...

[tehdang]

Maybe not the correct thread and a topic that is off limits on MMO but I'm really trying to give a big picture here. Maybe trying to tie this to this thread is not correct, but trying to deny this hate is not tied to the mainstream conservative movement, especially the media cannot be ignored.

Tucker Carlson guest: Shootings like the Club Q shooting are going to keep happening "until we end this evil agenda" of gender-affirming care.

Jaimee Mitchell is part of a anti LGBTQ group and is know for promoting white supremacy. A guest on Tucker days after the shooting.

https://www.thewrap.com/tucker-carls...assacre-video/


JennaEllisEsq
on the Club Q shooting. The “people killed in the nightclub that night, there is no evidence/that they were Christians. Assuming they have not accepted the truth/affirmed Christ as the lord of their life they are now reaping the consequences of eternal damnation.”

Former Trump lawyer. Not tying this to Trump but a person who does have a public forum and platform.

The Colorado shooter’s dad on finding out his son murdered people: “They started telling me about the incident, a shooting... And then I go on to find out it’s a gay bar. I got scared, ‘Shit, is he gay?’ And he’s not gay, so I said, phew… I am a conservative Republican.”

Alright deep dive here. It first came out hat the Colorado shooter's grandpa was a big MAGA guy. I didn't like the narrative of trying to tie the grandpa to the shooter and politics. Even here the father has his own opinions but doesn't always necessarily reflect the shooters.

So the examples I gave including Matt Walsh, Tim Poole (who cosplays as some neoliberal I think) and others have not even stopped and went full steam ahead on their anti-LGBTQ rhetoric. Shocking that there is no pause especially on this topic.

Right-wing media figures and influencers are doubling down on the use of inflammatory rhetoric against the LGBTQ community in the wake of Saturday night’s Club Q shooting.

My post here is not about LGBTQ. I'm posting about a movement and wanting to further demonize and push a group that is already on the fringe and an easy minority to attack. The basis of any fascist movement to turn them into the enemy and stoke more violence when the group has just faced it.

Edit. Admittedly I'm fiving the example of the mass shooting and shooting and I know this thread is not about. I'm trying to keep it radicalization and ongoing movement. Not about this specific mass shooting.

It's a tiny bit hard to discuss the accusations here, and how they might relate to the conservative movement as a whole, when basically every example is a banned topic. How can one be expected to "deny this hate" when you aren't even allowed to "deny the claims?"

Your first example. Jaimee Michell of "Gays Against Groomers." They say they oppose the "sexualization, indoctrination, and medicalization of children." I've only heard of such a group existing once before in an article online, so I'm going to make some assumptions here, but does this forum actually permit a discussion of what might constitute the sexualization of children, and why that might or might not be ipso-facto anti-LGBT? How about gender-affirming surgery for minors? I don't think that's permissible under the rules.

Your second example, Jenna Ellis, the Trump lawyer. That one is known among conservatives for being Trump's lawyer and leveling all those crazy election claims in the wake of 2020. Very, very crazy person and no friend to conservatives. Go call up the election deniers and those that want 2020 recapitulated in 2024 campaigns.

Your third example, the interview with the dad. Have you seen the video? He acts like he's high for the duration of the interview. Come on now. It's damaging to him as a person, but hardly useful to make representations of a group he claims membership in. When he's nonchalant about murders, but really interested in the possibility that his son is gay, I have to question whether it's methamphetamine or his considered views.

The article regarding inflammatory rhetoric and false claims similarly focuses on banned topics. Sexualization of children. Grooming. Children at highly sexualized drag shows. Childhood gender transition. Lots of self-referential claims that can't truly be interrogated without transgressing the rules. It's definitely a discussion going on outside the internet, with multiple questions of where the state comes in, what the medical science can answer and even question, what constitutes harassment and what's allowed to be criticized. But I see no present or future doing it here.

[Dontrike]

It's a tiny bit hard to discuss the accusations here, and how they might relate to the conservative movement as a whole, when basically every example is a banned topic. How can one be expected to "deny this hate" when you aren't even allowed to "deny the claims?"

By going "I condemn those idiots saying those things." It's not a hard thing to do and if you think it is then that says far more about yourself than you realize.

Your third example, the interview with the dad. Have you seen the video? He acts like he's high for the duration of the interview. Come on now. It's damaging to him as a person, but hardly useful to make representations of a group he claims membership in. When he's nonchalant about murders, but really interested in the possibility that his son is gay, I have to question whether it's methamphetamine or his considered views.

"You can't say it represent a group just because you see an entire family filled with terrorists and phobics while they have a base that love terrorists and phobics." Okay, whatever nonsense you say.

The article regarding inflammatory rhetoric and false claims similarly focuses on banned topics. Sexualization of children. Grooming. Children at highly sexualized drag shows. Childhood gender transition. Lots of self-referential claims that can't truly be interrogated without transgressing the rules. It's definitely a discussion going on outside the internet, with multiple questions of where the state comes in, what the medical science can answer and even question, what constitutes harassment and what's allowed to be criticized. But I see no present or future doing it here.

Half of your post can be boiled down to "Can we talk about this?" while not adding a damn thing to the discussion. You just hate your domestic terrorist party keeps doing domestic terrorism and want as little discussion to take place about it.

[tehdang]

By going "I condemn those idiots saying those things." It's not a hard thing to do and if you think it is then that says far more about yourself than you realize.

He leveled it at the "mainstream conservative movement," not me personally.

"You can't say it represent a group just because you see an entire family filled with terrorists and phobics while they have a base that love terrorists and phobics." Okay, whatever nonsense you say.

I saw an interview with a person that appeared high. He downplayed mass murder. Maybe you run into these people every day at the grocery store, but I don't. Meth heads say some strange things.

Half of your post can be boiled down to "Can we talk about this?" while not adding a damn thing to the discussion. You just hate your domestic terrorist party keeps doing domestic terrorism and want as little discussion to take place about it.

I'm reminding people that it isn't possible to examine the accusations regarding hate in gender identity and LGBTQ+ and connect it to mainstream conservatism within the rules of this forum.

Which might be the entire point of the post. Smear a movement as being connected to hate, satisfied that nobody dare disagree. I think it's more about generic nut-picking and blaming fringe opinions on the mainstream, but I could be wrong. The rest is in my post. There's several identifiable points of disagreement on whether this topic of gender identity is automatically hate for talking about, or that topic of youth gender surgery is automatically hate, or that topic of children at sexualized drag show performances.

But until I hear differently, I'm going to say that Paranoid Android has made an unfalsifiable claim within the borders of this forum, and thus adds nothing of value in making it. It's like hovering around whatever's "Safe" in a game of Hide and Go Seek, sending off inflammatory comments to the Seeker, confident he can quickly touch safe and be free from retaliation. It's a pretty nice setup. Spew hate at the conservative movement by alleging they are connected with hatred in banned topics.

[Cthulhu 2020]

does this forum actually permit a discussion of what might constitute the sexualization of children, and why that might or might not be ipso-facto anti-LGBT? How about gender-affirming surgery for minors? I don't think that's permissible under the rules.

Here's a reply to basically your entire post.

Accusations about "grooming" and pedophilia of minors by these people targeted at the LGBT community are bullshit, and are untrue at best, and projection at worst. Courts have ruled on these issues. Schools and parents teaching children that there are multiple genders, and that people can be a different gender than what they're born, is NOT GROOMING. The end. People often claim that children are being taught "sexual positions" and other ways to have sex. And they can never seem to procure evidence of this. "Just trust me bro, my friend who's gay told me they taught their kid this."

The fact that people think general sex ed is grooming, and believe that they need to take the law into their own hands and become terrorists is all you need to know about the far right.

And let's not mince words. Not all of the right is like this. But the majority of the far right, approximately 30% of them, are just like this guy.

Your claim is that the dad might not be in his right head because he's on meth. On the contrary, people are quite often far more truthful while high or drunk. Such things remove filters from people's brains. The fact that he's more concerned that his son might have been gay than he's concerned that he's a murderer is all you really need to know.

There's a lot of fascists backing this guy posting on Twitter, even posts with thousands of upvotes saying that these people deserved to die because <insert religious stuff>.

The far right is going full mask off as the establishment right is rejecting them. And while I am absolutely loving watching the right fight each other, it's incredibly unfortunate that the mid-right is apathetic towards their far right terrorist brethren.

[Dontrike]

He leveled it at the "mainstream conservative movement," not me personally.

Almost like because that's exactly what conservative rhetoric, policies, and more have become. The idiots you worship keep this shit up and it's causing this more and more. Reality is literally showing you this and you ignore it.

I saw an interview with a person that appeared high. He downplayed mass murder. Maybe you run into these people every day at the grocery store, but I don't. Meth heads say some strange things.

You mean the father who was okay with his son committing some casual murder while his grandfather helped perform a terrorist coup? If meth heads say strange things then what drug do you do that makes you say this shit?

I'm reminding people that it isn't possible to examine the accusations regarding hate in gender identity and LGBTQ+ and connect it to mainstream conservatism within the rules of this forum.

It's very easy to connect the two, it's as simple as 2+2=4. You don't Scooby Doo to figure out this mystery. When leaders constantly attack one group, their zealots (a.k.a. folks like you) will attack that group. It's not fucking rocket science, it's not even science.

I think it's more about generic nut-picking and blaming fringe opinions on the mainstream, but I could be wrong.

"Fringe" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Yes, you are very wrong. Isn't that right, Kermit?

The rest is in my post. There's several identifiable points of disagreement on whether this topic of gender identity is automatically hate for talking about, or that topic of youth gender surgery is automatically hate, or that topic of children at sexualized drag show performances.

You used a bunch of words to say literally nothing, it would be impressive if it wasn't worrying that your delusions make you ignore reality.

But until I hear differently,

You've heard and seen plenty, you choose to ignore it because any introspection on your part would make that small terrorist laden world you've latched onto crumble. Now go take that stupidity and sea lioning somewhere else.

[s_bushido]

He leveled it at the "mainstream conservative movement," not me personally.

I saw an interview with a person that appeared high. He downplayed mass murder. Maybe you run into these people every day at the grocery store, but I don't. Meth heads say some strange things.

Ah, I see. So literally every right-wing pundit and jackass with an online presence going on and on about how the existence of LGBT people in anything even remotely related to education and entertainment is "grooming" is high on meth. If that's the case, the drug problem in this country is much worse than I imagined.

[Mekh]

Ah, I see. So literally every right-wing pundit and jackass with an online presence going on and on about how the existence of LGBT people in anything even remotely related to education and entertainment is "grooming" is high on meth. If that's the case, the drug problem in this country is much worse than I imagined.

According to @tehdang there is not a single true Scotsman in the Conservative movement.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Ah, I see. So literally every right-wing pundit and jackass with an online presence going on and on about how the existence of LGBT people in anything even remotely related to education and entertainment is "grooming" is high on meth. If that's the case, the drug problem in this country is much worse than I imagined.

The weird (and yet UTTERLY UNSURPRISING PART) about these claims, is that most of the time these right wing pundits are, themselves, massive druggies. Projection is one hell of a drug.

[Endus]

I'm reminding people that it isn't possible to examine the accusations regarding hate in gender identity and LGBTQ+ and connect it to mainstream conservatism within the rules of this forum.

There's no basis to any anti-LGBT positions that aren't fundamentally rooted in baseless petty bigotries. Doesn't matter what position we're talking about. If you're seeking "separate but equal", or you think they're "grooming" or you are "worried about the children at drag shows", you're a bigot, and your entire position is predicated on inflicting harm upon innocents, for the sake of that harm alone and nothing else.

And if you're willing to sit next to a colleague who's spouting such things and not shout them down yourself, you're complicit with and supportive of that bigotry, yourself. Silence on these issues is not neutrality.

Once you acknowledge those facts, it's dead simple to point out the entire Republican Party is driven by petty bigotry.

I use "Republican Party" here rather than "mainstream conservativism" because, frankly, Joe Biden is "mainstream conservativism". The Republican Party hasn't met that descriptor for decades.

Which might be the entire point of the post. Smear a movement as being connected to hate, satisfied that nobody dare disagree. I think it's more about generic nut-picking and blaming fringe opinions on the mainstream, but I could be wrong. The rest is in my post. There's several identifiable points of disagreement on whether this topic of gender identity is automatically hate for talking about, or that topic of youth gender surgery is automatically hate, or that topic of children at sexualized drag show performances.

There really aren't any such "identifiable points". Most of what you're bringing up here are just straight fictions or misrepresentations. Trans kids aren't getting early surgeries, for instance. Even entertaining the delusional bullshit as a potential argument does the truth a disservice. You're lying, to push hate, and it's that simple.

[Paranoid Android]

Which might be the entire point of the post. Smear a movement as being connected to hate, satisfied that nobody dare disagree. I think it's more about generic nut-picking and blaming fringe opinions on the mainstream, but I could be wrong. The rest is in my post. There's several identifiable points of disagreement on whether this topic of gender identity is automatically hate for talking about, or that topic of youth gender surgery is automatically hate, or that topic of children at sexualized drag show performances.

I have this person on ignore so sniping this comment. Maybe I'm taking it out of context.

This person trying to say it's not mainstream when Tucker Carlson and Fox News is pushing hate cannot be said this is not a main talking point and shared idea of the Republican Party. Fringe opinions? This is Tucker Carlson, Matt Walsh and others who if you total up their viewership is a large enough total or percentage who identify as conservative. There is no doubt to tie this back into the thread, where the Conservative movement is today.

The person who has done this throughout the posts talk about its all about my opinion on this subject. No it's not. Opinion to hate a group who is targeted for hate and hating that group where you openly spread this information to stoke violence is not an opinion.

I mean. This person is not fringe.

[Edge-]

I mean. This person is not fringe.

Man, it seems that most of what very online conservatives have left is just lame-ass virtue signaling, lol.

Didn't they spend like, a decade whinging nonstop about "libruls virtue signaling, it means nothing!"?

[tehdang]

Ah, I see. So literally every right-wing pundit and jackass with an online presence going on and on about how the existence of LGBT people in anything even remotely related to education and entertainment is "grooming" is high on meth. If that's the case, the drug problem in this country is much worse than I imagined.

Did you actually watch the video that the original poster linked?

I have this person on ignore so ...

Alrighty then.

According to @tehdang there is not a single true Scotsman in the Conservative movement.

The rapidity in which people transition to "Republicans" from "mainstream conservative movement" is breathtaking. Less breathtaking are the typical guilt by association arguments. TPUSA is the same as YAF, all conservatives are Tucker and think like Tucker, and Trump = Republicans = Conservatives. But I would expect no less from an ideology that basically lumps every group of the political right under a fascist and bigoted banner. Why pay attention?