Should Dracthy’s Draconic form be sex-specific?

[Lionwoman]

"everyone who disagrees with me is trying to justify a fetish!"
Yikes.

Not the point. But why else would they like to put specifically only female human boobs (which is a highly sexualized trait) on a lizard?

[ercarp]

Would have preferred a distinct male and female body type. Having just one type is pretty boring (and lazy, let's be real).

[Wyrt]

Lizards do have sexual dimorphism, it's just generally less obvious than slapping boobs on some. Things like body length and head size for example. I don't think it's necessarily needed in general to be sexually dimorphic since you still wouldn't be able to tell at a glance which is which anyway if it's just 1 had slightly larger head or longer torso than the other.

And what kind of cattle are you looking at where there's no sexual dimorphism between cows and bulls?

[Mace]

In my book, doesn't matter, give it body types or what not, and then they can pick a visage form with whatever gender they want, doesn't matter, they are mutants anyways, created by a dragon who then wanted to destroy everything.

But clearly the issue it seems largely in this thread is not whether it should have visible sexual dimorphism as much as the appearance really doesn’t work for quite a few.

To them it’s not about whether dragon races should show sexual dimorphism because they feel it is right, but rather because they prefer characteristics they can create that either reflects them and their natural sex or the one they want to roleplay.

You can argue that Dracthyr shouldntechnical have or should not. Technically they aren’t lizards, and we don’t even know how they reproduce.

They could have this androgynous model achievable in both body types.

But it is clear it is an intentional choice and not because it was difficult. After all Draconic form cannot equip gear, so it’s not like they needed to remodel gear for 2 genders and could have unified their animations too.


This does put more importance on visage form, so it is useful to have this a available for use in combat. But I’m. Not sure it should be in the global cooldown, this way you can macro out of it or at least switch back without losing output

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Lizards do have sexual dimorphism, it's just generally less obvious than slapping boobs on some. Things like body length and head size for example. I don't think it's necessarily needed in general to be sexually dimorphic since you still wouldn't be able to tell at a glance which is which anyway if it's just 1 had slightly larger head or longer torso than the other.

And what kind of cattle are you looking at where there's no sexual dimorphism between cows and bulls?

I never said there was none. I said it is less obvious and. I was thinking in comparison to the extreme dimorphism of wow models in that male and female are very clearly visibly distinct silhouette wise etc rather than any typical species dimorphism.

After all not all humans have clearly distinguishable dimorphic characteristics. Mannerisms, style, fashion, lifestyle etc also go a long way.

Every 2 sex animal species has dimorphism to some degree or the other.

If we had a realistic portrayal of lizards through the Dracthyr Draconic form, it would also have. Therefore the decision not to isn’t grounded in scientific fact. It was a choice, an intentional one that follows the current trend in wow with regards to socio political activism of the day

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Would it or should it have boobs? Maybe or maybe not, but after sitting in the fence over this for a while , I feel they should have make and female body options and I also have decided this would have been nicer and better , both.

[loras]

You know i am suddenly reminded of "fishtits" Aszhara.

And their story is not dissimilar; humanoids raped infused with shape warping stuff take on more animalistic shape. And retain their mammalian dimorphism in this monstrous new form.


Which is not to say that i think that should be changed, but it is a rather conclusive rejection of the argument that their animalistic component can be used as an excuse to avoid sexual dimorphism.


Though i would not be opposed to seeing one of those deformed quadrupedal naga brutes put on stereotypical feminine behaviour for sjits and giggles.
Idea: Naga brute wanders near blue dragon place, finds magical frosty arcane artefact that also increases its intelligence, turns out to be female, sings "Let it go!", builds ice castle.
Bonus: Teaches us fancy frost magic customisations.

[Mace]

You know i am suddenly reminded of "fishtits" Aszhara.

And their story is not dissimilar; humanoids raped infused with shape warping stuff take on more animalistic shape. And retain their mammalian dimorphism in this monstrous new form.


Which is not to say that i think that should be changed, but it is a rather conclusive rejection of the argument that their animalistic component can be used as an excuse to avoid sexual dimorphism.


Though i would not be opposed to seeing one of those deformed quadrupedal naga brutes put on stereotypical feminine behaviour for sjits and giggles.
Idea: Naga brute wanders near blue dragon place, finds magical frosty arcane artefact that also increases its intelligence, turns out to be female, sings "Let it go!", builds ice castle.
Bonus: Teaches us fancy frost magic customisations.

Exactly. To claim that their animalistic like state justifies a lack of dimorphism is anfalalacy for this reason and many others.


Off course you can’t also prove that they should have dimorphism. But you can’t say they shouldn’t because they’re reptilian.

[Sableye]

Dragons in WoW never had different sexes. So Blizz had it right when making them. Besides I'll most likely be in Visage form while not in combat.

counterpoint you can play as a dragon rrerr.

I think blizz got it OK but I don't really think getting rid of the male/female button was a great idea, I sat there staring at the screen for a while trying to find the body type buttons

[Mace]

counterpoint you can play as a dragon rrerr.

I think blizz got it OK but I don't really think getting rid of the male/female button was a great idea, I sat there staring at the screen for a while trying to find the body type buttons

It def want a good idea. Token gesture that means little to the community they are supposedly trying to appease and more likely to put off the vast majority of their playerbase.

Looks like it was done for access media clout they think is publicity which means little to nothing to the actual players

[Wyrt]

I never said there was none. I said it is less obvious and. I was thinking in comparison to the extreme dimorphism of wow models in that male and female are very clearly visibly distinct silhouette wise etc rather than any typical species dimorphism.

After all not all humans have clearly distinguishable dimorphic characteristics. Mannerisms, style, fashion, lifestyle etc also go a long way.

Every 2 sex animal species has dimorphism to some degree or the other.

If we had a realistic portrayal of lizards through the Dracthyr Draconic form, it would also have. Therefore the decision not to isn’t grounded in scientific fact. It was a choice, an intentional one that follows the current trend in wow with regards to socio political activism of the day

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Would it or should it have boobs? Maybe or maybe not, but after sitting in the fence over this for a while , I feel they should have make and female body options and I also have decided this would have been nicer and better , both.

They're lizards, why would they have boobs? Most lizards have less sexual dimorphism than humans do and the average person won't be able to tell the difference.

[TEHPALLYTANK]

No, but they should have at least two forms for people who want to choose between a more bulky and less bulky model. Three or four forms to choose from would be even better, character customization affecting the visual profile of the character gives more choice to the player about what their character looks like.

But that would require Blizzard actually putting more work into their rather pitiful character customization options.

[Mace]

They're lizards, why would they have boobs? Most lizards have less sexual dimorphism than humans do and the average person won't be able to tell the difference.

I thought we established that this fantasy races have little to no bearing on PRECISE scientific portrayal and never have - and as such whether they shoudl have boobs or not is not dependent on any degree of reptialin association - such decision are entirely artistic based on social and cultural presentations.
note I am not making an argument that a proposed female body type I am in favour of should have boobs. With or without boobs (on the female) either way, I feel they should have a male and female body types.

Do you agree?

[Archmage Alodi]

Like what? dragons with boobs? No thanks.

[Cynical Asshole]

Yeah but how do you do that with a lizard? I mean what, boobs? Lizards don't have boobs. Long eyelashes? LOL. Maybe go the cheap cartoon way and put a ribbon on it to show it's a female.

Or maybe do like Bethesda with Argonians and put boobs on the females, and when questioned why female Argonians have boobs despite being lizards, just go "Hey, shut up."
(real reason. They were too lazy to make a unique character model for Argonian females, so they just slapped lizard skin textures on the regular human female model)

[Auburst]

Yeah but how do you do that with a lizard? I mean what, boobs? Lizards don't have boobs. Long eyelashes? LOL. Maybe go the heap cartoon way and put a ribbon on it to show it's a female.

Or maybe do like Bethesda with Argonians and put boobs on the females, and when questioned why female Argonians have boobs despite being lizards, just go "Hey, shut up."
(real reason. They were too lazy to make a unique character model for Argonian females, so they just slapped lizard skin textures on the regular female model)

Naga are lizards and they prove that you can do that. Female Dragonspawn also attest to greatness of tits.

[Le Conceptuel]

Naga are lizards and they prove that you can do that. Female Dragonspawn also attest to greatness of tits.

Holy shit. I'm legitimately horrified.

[Lady Atia]

Holy shit. I'm legitimately horrified.

Haha, never thought I would agree with you. But yeah, that guy is nuts lol.

[Auburst]

Holy shit. I'm legitimately horrified.

Fear not. Tits don't bite but you can bite them.

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Haha, never thought I would agree with you. But yeah, that guy is nuts lol.

Nuts. We have that in common.

[loras]

Exactly. To claim that their animalistic like state justifies a lack of dimorphism is anfalalacy for this reason and many others.


Off course you can’t also prove that they should have dimorphism. But you can’t say they shouldn’t because they’re reptilian.

Exactly.

Anyhow, fishtits is such a funny word.
Fishtits fishtits fishtits.
Sounds like fishsticks, doesn't even sound like anything sexual.
Just makes me hungry for fish.

What were we talking about again.

[Rageonit]

Haha, never thought I would agree with you. But yeah, that guy is nuts lol.

He's turning the topic of Dracthyrs into a true comedy, which is a good thing, actually (for people who enjoy current design), because noone will treat him with any modicum of seriousness.

[Auburst]

He's turning the topic of Dracthyrs into a true comedy, which is a good thing, actually (for people who enjoy current design), because noone will treat him with any modicum of seriousness.

We cope the best we can!