Do you enjoy getting gear in pvp?

[Enclave]

I am curious, I always saw gearing up in pvp as a hurdle I need to get over so I can start playing on even ground and climb rating
But I wonder if other people feel or is there any satisfaction in getting gear?

[Elder Millennial]

I don't think so.

I think the satisfaction comes from getting an "unfair" gear advantage that allows you to roflstomp the still undergeared "nabs".

Most pvpers aren't in it for a fair fight 90% of the time.

[loras]

I am curious, I always saw gearing up in pvp as a hurdle I need to get over so I can start playing on even ground and climb rating
But I wonder if other people feel or is there any satisfaction in getting gear?

Not more nor less than in PvE, honestly.
In SL it was a bit double: On the one hand the relief that i didn't habe to replace it for very minor upgrades anymore, on the other "Yah i got it but now i need to upgrade it...".

Mind you that the upgradeable gear is a huge step up from previous iterations since the difficulty-bloat (LFR, nornal, heroic, mythic) started, but it's still not as satisfying as it was to just get an actual BiS without needing to contort your agenda and/or social investment.

I kinda wonder how it'll be in DF since it supposedly provides max ilvl in instanced content from the get-gi, should be interesting at the very least.
Would put more emphasis on it being an actual sensible reward, making both looks and "overworld" performance that much more... reward-y.

[mbit2]

I don't think so.

I think the satisfaction comes from getting an "unfair" gear advantage that allows you to roflstomp the still undergeared "nabs".

Most pvpers aren't in it for a fair fight 90% of the time.

lol everyone thinks they are normal. Its highly questionable if a majority even exists. PvP is played by people who want mounts, people who want gear from pvp for pve raiding, people who just get dragged in by friends. None of those care about that maxing out gear advantage to stomp noobs. The noobstompers are likely a fringe minority and maybe even lower than the people who want fair matches. The latter constantly asked for tournament servers cause they didnt want gear to matter but we got nah you not making us enough money.

[Elder Millennial]

lol everyone thinks they are normal. Its highly questionable if a majority even exists. PvP is played by people who want mounts, people who want gear from pvp for pve raiding, people who just get dragged in by friends. None of those care about that maxing out gear advantage to stomp noobs. The noobstompers are likely a fringe minority and maybe even lower than the people who want fair matches. The latter constantly asked for tournament servers cause they didnt want gear to matter but we got nah you not making us enough money.

You are misunderstanding my point, but maybe I was also unclear.

Pvpers are a specific subset of people who play pvp. As you said, a lot of people play pvp for reasons what have nothing to do with wanting to pvp. I think that the subset of people who aren't in it for the roflstomping, gearing for PvP is more of a hurdle, not something they necessarily enjoy or do for fun either.

[VinceVega]

I am curious, I always saw gearing up in pvp as a hurdle I need to get over so I can start playing on even ground and climb rating
But I wonder if other people feel or is there any satisfaction in getting gear?

I enjoy getting gear. I do not enjog playing against people i can hardly beat because they have double my life despite plying the same class/spec...

Its weird. I think PvP should generally be completly seperate from any kind of pwer progression. On the other hand it is still an RPG so...
I think rated should be completly equal.
Unrated: Let there be hell!!!!

[mbit2]

You are misunderstanding my point, but maybe I was also unclear.

Pvpers are a specific subset of people who play pvp. As you said, a lot of people play pvp for reasons what have nothing to do with wanting to pvp. I think that the subset of people who aren't in it for the roflstomping, gearing for PvP is more of a hurdle, not something they necessarily enjoy or do for fun either.

What i was trying to say is pvpers are mostly just people with a goal playing pvp cause it gets them the goal and not people who really want pvp. The gear and mount incentive exist to attract the big crowd of people who have no intrinsic interest in pvp. So either way design doesnt follow what people who are into pvp want but what gets more players into pvp.

[dojichan]

I love beating people with zero gear and then progressing higher and higher as my gear improves;
I don't think I would (ranked)pvp if there was no gear progression...
Plus it lets me get enough gear to crush any pve I want on that character

[melzas]

Yes I do, because wow is an RPG, there needs to be sense of character progression otherwise it turns into a lobby game and there are better lobby PvP games than WoW.

[ClownPrincess]

I don't think so.

I think the satisfaction comes from getting an "unfair" gear advantage that allows you to roflstomp the still undergeared "nabs".

Most pvpers aren't in it for a fair fight 90% of the time.

I don't think the thread title was "what are your preconceptions about pvpers".

[mbit2]

Yes I do, because wow is an RPG, there needs to be sense of character progression otherwise it turns into a lobby game and there are better lobby PvP games than WoW.

There really isnt anything that would replace wow well which is why many tolerated so much of their bullshit or simply sidestepped it with botting / RMT. Since they have no interest in the gearing grind they simply automate or straight pay to skip it.

[Cynical Asshole]

I am curious, I always saw gearing up in pvp as a hurdle I need to get over so I can start playing on even ground and climb rating
But I wonder if other people feel or is there any satisfaction in getting gear?

I play PVP to beat people up, to crush them, to drive them before me and hear the lamentation of their healers. I don't care about rating, and gear is just the means to an end.

[Enclave]

Yes I do, because wow is an RPG, there needs to be sense of character progression otherwise it turns into a lobby game and there are better lobby PvP games than WoW.

Which lobby game offers the experience of wow arena without all the rest? been looking for years

[Swnem]

I mean... i stopped pvp'ing when they removed templates.
So, yes i am someone who wants a fair match, but i know that is not what the WoW community wants. They want to 1 shot as much as possible. So, i leave this toxic mode to them and pvp on games where i can have fun. Grinding gear in pvp is dumb. PvP is not an RPG. It's just a gate you have to endure until you can start having fun. It's not my thing.

[ThatsOurEric]

No, pvp gear is such a stupid idea, and it's mostly been used as a supplement for easy PvE gearing,
and it's mostly been all but useless in PvP since every "season" it's ilvl is upgraded, but if you already
bought the gear previously, it'll mean you have to buy the same damn thing again just because of the
ilvl increase, which...isn't fun. Like at all.

The game's PvP should be about teamwork and communication in order to win the BG's goal...but in no way
shape or form, has WoW PvP ever been this.

It's always come down to which team has the better geared players. You either stomp them or you get stomped.
Maybe once in awhile the teams are evenly balanced, but it's extremely rare.

As long as pvp gear exists and there is no scaling, PvP will always be a "who's got better gear" fest, which is
horribly unfun and mostly what keeps people away from it.

[Itisamuh]

Nope, there should be no gear at all in any form of PvP.

[Schmilblick]

Nope, there should be no gear at all in any form of PvP.

Exactly this, PvP should be about skill and rewards should be cosmetic only.

[melzas]

Which lobby game offers the experience of wow arena without all the rest? been looking for years

None because it's a crappy format that only is being kept afloat because it's attached to a massive pve game.

WoW PvP is a niche content.

[Kn83]

I don't think so.

I think the satisfaction comes from getting an "unfair" gear advantage that allows you to roflstomp the still undergeared "nabs".

Most pvpers aren't in it for a fair fight 90% of the time.

Yeah, I constantly run into the same problem.

[Mister K]

No, pvp gear is such a stupid idea, and it's mostly been used as a supplement for easy PvE gearing,
and it's mostly been all but useless in PvP since every "season" it's ilvl is upgraded, but if you already
bought the gear previously, it'll mean you have to buy the same damn thing again just because of the
ilvl increase, which...isn't fun. Like at all.

The game's PvP should be about teamwork and communication in order to win the BG's goal...but in no way
shape or form, has WoW PvP ever been this.

It's always come down to which team has the better geared players. You either stomp them or you get stomped.
Maybe once in awhile the teams are evenly balanced, but it's extremely rare.

As long as pvp gear exists and there is no scaling, PvP will always be a "who's got better gear" fest, which is
horribly unfun and mostly what keeps people away from it.

You can be few ilvls behind and still stomp. Good player will always be good within reason.