Do you think it's a good idea that Malfurion is going away to "slumber" for a while?

[Mace]

Okay, some spoilers ahead.

As some people might know, Malfurion is (apparently) going to sacrifice himself and leave Tyrande to stay in Ardenweald next expansion, in order to revive Ysera in the next expansion, which has understandably angered a lot of night elf and Alliance player fans.

However, there is SOME good news also for everyone. So Malfurion is indeed going to "die" in the near future, most likely, leaving Tyrande and the night elves, but the developers have already basically confirmed he is also going to return eventually, with considerably enhanced new powers also!



https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonf...ight-elf-story
https://www.mmorpg.com/interviews/wo...ton-2000126686

So Malfurion is going to go back to what he did best for 10,000 years...sleeping in another ethereal realm and wandering alongside immortals and mythical creatures, until being awakened by a new urgent crisis to save his people.

Malfurion ahs been poorly utilised in wow. Tyrande too was until very recently. But then, both were a symptom of massive night elf neglect..

compared to WC3, night elves who were involved with everything alongside humans, orcs and the introduced undead, took a major backseat with little to no development. we saw Sylvanas, the forsaken, as well as humans and especially orcs continue to play major roles. Malfurion was sleeping till cataclysm, and his big return saw his role reduced and Thrall star , Tyrande didn't take any serious appearance until BFA and Elegy, with a cameo in MoP the 5th version of wow.. the 5th.

Since his bit part role in Hyjal and Darkshore, Malfurion again does virtual nothing but be rescued in Legion, and now goes to sleep.


Illidan who makes a good return in legion, and finally we see Malfurion, Tyrande and Illidan, and just like the Star Wars sequel where Han, Leia and Luke return, we don't even see them together. The history and activities that legion reveals for the night elves, the opportunity to finally see the trio actually work and fight together in some awesome team ups, is never shown but then Tyrande, who should have starred as High priestess of Elune in Suramar and the broken shore, had her roles cut, was then used in stead of Vereesa for the alliance quests in Suramar which she should have never been - she should have had a separate quest that tied into the broken shore and the order of Elune returning to their capital to help their people and disrupt the legion entirely separate from the alliance.

I could go on. We need to see a Malfurion that is wise but also furious at the correct culprits in the horde. Not a random race/faction wide hate - that's not his character. I don't want to see him hating all tauren because of the few that partook in Darkshore, but there need to be consequences too, that do not destroy his relationship with Hammuul. I don't want to see him angry at all with Nightborne or Highmountain, the former he, like Farodin, should be quite pleased with their restoration and balance, and the Arcan'dor and their new pursuit of restoring their natural side, same with Highmountain whom he should be friendly with due to Huln Highmountain, and they in turn greatly respect him. it should be nuanced, and rightfully so, some were involved in Darkshore others were not at all. We cannot see him "all friendly" always to the horde, but neither can we see him all hate or angry like Tyrande is.


The Terror of Darkshore is the only time we have ever seen Malfurion in a wow cinematic look anything threatening or cool, and what a brief appearance it was. While I liked his dialogue in Dark heart thicket and the Emerald nightmare - for a major character, he hasn't been used well at all. Compare that to say Jaina, Khadgar, Sylvanas, Varian and Anduin in wow. And now he "needs" to slumber?

what about the power he gained in the Stormrage novel? never been explored. but then the night elves kinda had a big gap and a lot of fillers unsresolved. the arcane is back, Highborne too, , civilization has returned, they are no longer on vigil, and now returning to their lives, but now with a far more balanced society having aracne, druidism , Elunism, fel demon hunters.. there is so much to explore with them, with all the changes from legion.

then they were thrust into BFA's genocide.. totally un-necessary, but we have it, so now there are two things to explore..w el l1, because BFA aftermath was thoroughly dealt with in the Tyrande story arc, I am satisfied with that, i want to see how the return of Suramar, Illidan being right, the curing of arcane addiction, the vulnerability of druidism the void elves and the void in the emerald nightmare and in particular access to both the Well of Eternity and the Emerald dream through Nordrassil and cleansed shaldarassil actually evolve their society. i want to see what happens to the new seed, and what access it gives them to beautiful Arden Weald type forest and re built capital in the order of beautiful type Zin'Azshari and what that means.

I also want to see worgen ngiht elves, I feel as Nightborne represent an arcanised heavily skewed night elf sub race, worgen night elves should be the nature version, with antlers in night elf form, and animal features like faun/satyr legs , tree arms like Keepers of the grove have, and maybe an animal humanoid form like worgen, saberon, Arrakoa ,or the guardian druid Artifact form that players can choose. They would have a fully tree capital city, while the night elves them selves would be sort of centred race that touches both ends through the Highborne and the druids, with Elune being the heart of their identity and a lot more on the star magic. Finally a rise in the popularity of the Illidari after the events of legion and the realisation that Illidan was no betrayer and what he accomplished should be a renewed source of awe and inspiration for huge chunk of night elves, especially males after the WoT. I'm not saying Illidari and fel should become the norm or normally accepted, but their should be noticeable change.

whiles they continue to operate removed from normal kaldorei society, due to the corrupting nature of fel, and publicly discouraged, yet both a respect and collaboration, unspoken should exist between the sentinels and particularly the Wardens and the demon hunters. in a shift that is noted They should develop this further, such an event has a huge impact on a race and tends to shift lines. no longer a 2 part society of Elune followers and druids, The return of the Highborne and the mastery of the arcane, an innate talent should rightly at tract a huge slice, especially after the curing of addiction and revelations of Legion, as should the exploits of the demon hunters and Illidan. Where the latter two factions were small and excluded from the Darnassian society either through the ban (Highborne) or viewed as legion agents (demon hunters) this should have totally changed, which should make for a more interesting night elf group.. and struggles of a new balance , with leaders everyone across the entire race in all 4 orders respects.. namely Malfurion for druids, Tyrande for Priests, Evenshade (or better Farondis) for Highborne, Illidan for demon hunters. All should ahve deputies, and lets not forget Maiev - Warden leader, Shandris - Sentinel leader and Jarod - Army leader.


If Malfurion goes to sleep, who si the druid that emerges? i don't want Tyrande to also become nature queen, that is not her role, Elune high priestess is it firmly, would we get another civil leader? Imo, it should be Prince Farondis, an incredible character that can gain the respect of all the night elf orders as a Highborne prince who was the first to rebel against the queen, respec the arcane and avoid hubris as well as actually appeal to all groups in the order of the caste before it got corrupt - and his group can have an incredible redemption story which makes a change from the usual - night elf dying. .that might see an interesting development for the night elves utilising the well of eternity and helping them gain the sort of power they need alongside the night warrior powers from Elune and the Emerald dream powers from the druids to be a force more reminiscent of how they are historically spoken about in before we see them in wow - and hopefully restore our confidence in them.

I'd also like to see void elves get involved as druids in helping the nightmare issue and forming a friendship with the kaldorei druids, in addition to the kaldorei Highborne (their kin) and the the kaldorei black moon priest sect from the night warrior power Tyrande now controls).

This is the exploration I want.

[Skytotem]

It's a bad idea to bring Ysera back, it's a bad idea to have Malf go back to sleep, they're relying on circling nostalgia.

[Super Dickmann]

Yes, both to bringing back Ysera and axing Malfurion.

On the Ysera front, Merithra is a non-entity and the story about the kid taking responsibility again is already done through Wrathion and Kalec in two different ways just in the span of DF. This is notwithstanding all the Maylas, Geyarahs, Talias, Talanjis and other plucky girls taking over the role of their more developed dads/mothers, all undertaking basically the same arc with marginal cosmetic differences. Do you really want to do this shit yet again? Just once, don't bother, retvrn to the original. A lot of effort was spent to bring Ysera back, a lot of lore has been sank into her over the years and there's more heft to that one quest with the dryads and her mate(?) in Ohn'aran, then there is in Merithra's entire involvement in the plot in DF.

On the Malfurion front, Malfurion has had exactly two interesting appearances over the course of his entire post-WC3 lifespan as a character and that's A Good War and the Darkshore cinematic. The entire rest of his career as a character has done nothing but sideline Tyrande as their overall racial leader and produce inane character power level debates because of how he's presented in Knaak's books. He's the poster child for 'oh, he just kinda forgot about his powers' and in everything from him spending all of Cataclysm keeping a tornado twirling while his people were at life and death odds with the Horde a border away to him fighting Sylvanas, discussion invariably is about how and why he doesn't solve the problem himself singlehanded and due to the way Knaak presented him, there is no actual explanation. If your rejoinder to that is that power level debates in a setting as radically inconsistent as WoW are a waste of time, you'd be entirely right, which goes to show you how little substance there has been to him thus far. Any time you've had any potential for drama, from his teacher having been killed by the Horde in WC3 and how he deals with that, to the devastation of their land and the consequences of his decision to nix their immortality to his sidelining of Tyrande, the problem is resolved without his involvement or is removed entirely. The most interesting Malfurion-related conflict takes place 90% without him, that being Fandral's reaction to the loss of immortality and Nordrassil. For his entire MMO timespan he's been a talisman more than a character, a prop there to go 'member me?' who's role couldn't just be excised without major difference, but would actually be better off in his absence because of a total failure to ever engage with any aspect of his character.

Throw him in the underworld until you can finally produce an actual story with him, until then, he does nothing but create the most dull kind of forum discussion. If you can't, keep him away and throw away the keys. People've rightly complained how there's no cost to death especially for Wild Gods - here's an answer to it. Go for it.

[Baraden]

Probably Alliance counterpart for Vol'Jin. Cant Horde have any upperhand on anything.

Wasn't the Alliance counterpart for Vol'jin Varian?

Then again if you think about since Vanilla, Horde have lost

- Cairne
- Garrosh
- Vol'jin
- Suarfang

Whereas for Alliance it's;

- Bolvar
- Varian
- Malfurion


So if one is keeping count Alliance still has one up on the Horde

[Dancaris]

Wasn't the Alliance counterpart for Vol'jin Varian?

Then again if you think about since Vanilla, Horde have lost

- Cairne
- Garrosh
- Vol'jin
- Suarfang

Whereas for Alliance it's;

- Bolvar
- Varian
- Malfurion


So if one is keeping count Alliance still has one up on the Horde

I speak about being empowered by Shadowlands. Vol'Jin come to Ardenweald to infuse himself with Rezan (or so quest offers). And with mere 2 years there comes Malfurion too, to be empowered by Shadowlands too.

And if we will count - Bolvar is "alive", Malfurion is 2 years AFK to train like in anime. While you have chad Turalion, badass crazy Windrunner and awesome Gelbin and demigod Tyrande.
But Cairne was just misplaced by pussycow son, Garrosh turn himself to ash (good thing), Vol'Jin AFK like Malf and Saurfang turns into trinket. Plus we lost any sign of balls in Horde - Thrall is a pussy, Baine never being masculine or even good character, Sylvanas gone, Calia is Alliance character, Lor'themar is lovebird. Only Rokhan and Gazlowe is only good leaders by Horde side.
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[BB8]

We don't need Ysera back. We need Merithra to be treated as an actual character and not shoved aside for the sake of favoritism

I agree with this.
Ysera could stay a main character in Ardenweald. Not truely dead, and guiding all the spirits there.
She could still be a tutor to Merithra through some dream.

I would love to see Merithra evolve

[Jastall]

Yes, both to bringing back Ysera and axing Malfurion.

On the Ysera front, Merithra is a non-entity and the story about the kid taking responsibility again is already done through Wrathion and Kalec in two different ways just in the span of DF. This is notwithstanding all the Maylas, Geyarahs, Talias, Talanjis and other plucky girls taking over the role of their more developed dads/mothers, all undertaking basically the same arc with marginal cosmetic differences. Do you really want to do this shit yet again? Just once, don't bother, retvrn to the original. A lot of effort was spent to bring Ysera back, a lot of lore has been sank into her over the years and there's more heft to that one quest with the dryads and her mate(?) in Ohn'aran, then there is in Merithra's entire involvement in the plot in DF.

On the Malfurion front, Malfurion has had exactly two interesting appearances over the course of his entire post-WC3 lifespan as a character and that's A Good War and the Darkshore cinematic. The entire rest of his career as a character has done nothing but sideline Tyrande as their overall racial leader and produce inane character power level debates because of how he's presented in Knaak's books. He's the poster child for 'oh, he just kinda forgot about his powers' and in everything from him spending all of Cataclysm keeping a tornado twirling while his people were at life and death odds with the Horde a border away to him fighting Sylvanas, discussion invariably is about how and why he doesn't solve the problem himself singlehanded and due to the way Knaak presented him, there is no actual explanation. If your rejoinder to that is that power level debates in a setting as radically inconsistent as WoW are a waste of time, you'd be entirely right, which goes to show you how little substance there has been to him thus far. Any time you've had any potential for drama, from his teacher having been killed by the Horde in WC3 and how he deals with that, to the devastation of their land and the consequences of his decision to nix their immortality to his sidelining of Tyrande, the problem is resolved without his involvement or is removed entirely. The most interesting Malfurion-related conflict takes place 90% without him, that being Fandral's reaction to the loss of immortality and Nordrassil. For his entire MMO timespan he's been a talisman more than a character, a prop there to go 'member me?' who's role couldn't just be excised without major difference, but would actually be better off in his absence because of a total failure to ever engage with any aspect of his character.

Throw him in the underworld until you can finally produce an actual story with him, until then, he does nothing but create the most dull kind of forum discussion. If you can't, keep him away and throw away the keys. People've rightly complained how there's no cost to death especially for Wild Gods - here's an answer to it. Go for it.

That assumes Ysera wasn't also a non-entity. What did she actually do that anyone but the most educated lore grognards remember aside from dying in Legion?

Plus, we still get the Merithra trying-to-measure-up-to-predecessor story, said predecessor just happens to be still around. Merithra is still supposed to be the green Aspect, at least unless Blizzard decides to off her so that Ysera grows all angry and does something else than exist.

[Aucald]

That assumes Ysera wasn't also a non-entity. What did she actually do that anyone but the most educated lore grognards remember aside from dying in Legion?

Ysera was pretty deeply involved in the Cata story, where she woke up from her long (and often corrupted) slumber in the Emerald Dream and become known as Ysera the Awakened. She was the one who brought the knowledge that the Hour of Twilight prophecy was basically on, and was instrumental in setting the events that led to the ultimate defeat of Deathwing and the Old Gods.

That's not any info from external sources like short stories or novels, as well; that's directly in-game.

[Skytotem]

I am tentatively more optimistic about this now that it's apparent that Ysera isn't staying Aspect

[Super Dickmann]

That assumes Ysera wasn't also a non-entity. What did she actually do that anyone but the most educated lore grognards remember aside from dying in Legion?

Plus, we still get the Merithra trying-to-measure-up-to-predecessor story, said predecessor just happens to be still around. Merithra is still supposed to be the green Aspect, at least unless Blizzard decides to off her so that Ysera grows all angry and does something else than exist.

If you seriously think Merithra will be more prominent than high-res Ysera going forward I've a waterside property in Arizona to sell you.

As for Ysera being a non-entity, sure, but she's a far more marketable one, with far more time and meat in the setting. More people remember Ysera crying at the Ardenweald reenactment of the stuff she missed as a woman out of time with the ghostly squirrels and otters talking about planet stabbing mechanics than remember so much as a single line from Merithra. Purely by her status as a sibling of Alex, Nozdormu and so forth she has more to do in a story fundamentally based around them and their old plight and purely by her status as the original leader of the flight all their moping hinges around she has more substance than those around her.

These descendant stories haven't only been done to death, they've been run dry just in terms of this one expansion let alone patch after patch, expansion after expansion of replacing the OG with a bland alternative. Where Malfurion is leaving behind a robust cast that's only stronger for not having to deal with him as an eternal asterisk capable of solving all problems yet not doing so, Ysera would've left behind ciphers re-enacting plot points that've been done a hundred times and better and an Aspect re-empowerment story that would've left with 1 (one) aspect in Alex by the end of it.

[Jastall]

If you seriously think Merithra will be more prominent than high-res Ysera going forward I've a waterside property in Arizona to sell you.

As for Ysera being a non-entity, sure, but she's a far more marketable one, with far more time and meat in the setting. More people remember Ysera crying at the Ardenweald reenactment of the stuff she missed as a woman out of time with the ghostly squirrels and otters talking about planet stabbing mechanics than remember so much as a single line from Merithra. Purely by her status as a sibling of Alex, Nozdormu and so forth she has more to do in a story fundamentally based around them and their old plight and purely by her status as the original leader of the flight all their moping hinges around she has more substance than those around her.

These descendant stories haven't only been done to death, they've been run dry just in terms of this one expansion let alone patch after patch, expansion after expansion of replacing the OG with a bland alternative. Where Malfurion is leaving behind a robust cast that's only stronger for not having to deal with him as an eternal asterisk capable of solving all problems yet not doing so, Ysera would've left behind ciphers re-enacting plot points that've been done a hundred times and better and an Aspect re-empowerment story that would've left with 1 (one) aspect in Alex by the end of it.

Oh, I seriously doubt Merithra is getting any story focus worth mentioning either way, it's just that I also doubt Ysera gets much as well, thus making the plotline potentially pointless. Getting rid of Malfurion is whatever, not like he ever was relevant in WoW except for a couple scenes over 18 years, but I still think Ysera ending in Ardenweald after dying is actually somewhat of a story for her, even if a simple one. Bringing her back makes her entire Legion-Shadowlands arc a complete waste of time. Who cares about that sad, well executed death cutscene in Val'sharah now, she's back a couple years after. I know Warcraft isn't exactly averse to bringing back characters at the best of times but the 15th time it happens doesn't suddenly make it good writing.

[Khaza-R]

Indifferent about it for the most part as Malfurion has barely done anything in the course of WoW.

But probably not a good time for it when Night Elves need their leadership following tragedy after tragedy.

[VladlTutushkin]

Yes, both to bringing back Ysera and axing Malfurion.

On the Ysera front, Merithra is a non-entity and the story about the kid taking responsibility again is already done through Wrathion and Kalec in two different ways just in the span of DF. This is notwithstanding all the Maylas, Geyarahs, Talias, Talanjis and other plucky girls taking over the role of their more developed dads/mothers, all undertaking basically the same arc with marginal cosmetic differences. Do you really want to do this shit yet again? Just once, don't bother, retvrn to the original. A lot of effort was spent to bring Ysera back, a lot of lore has been sank into her over the years and there's more heft to that one quest with the dryads and her mate(?) in Ohn'aran, then there is in Merithra's entire involvement in the plot in DF.

On the Malfurion front, Malfurion has had exactly two interesting appearances over the course of his entire post-WC3 lifespan as a character and that's A Good War and the Darkshore cinematic. The entire rest of his career as a character has done nothing but sideline Tyrande as their overall racial leader and produce inane character power level debates because of how he's presented in Knaak's books. He's the poster child for 'oh, he just kinda forgot about his powers' and in everything from him spending all of Cataclysm keeping a tornado twirling while his people were at life and death odds with the Horde a border away to him fighting Sylvanas, discussion invariably is about how and why he doesn't solve the problem himself singlehanded and due to the way Knaak presented him, there is no actual explanation. If your rejoinder to that is that power level debates in a setting as radically inconsistent as WoW are a waste of time, you'd be entirely right, which goes to show you how little substance there has been to him thus far. Any time you've had any potential for drama, from his teacher having been killed by the Horde in WC3 and how he deals with that, to the devastation of their land and the consequences of his decision to nix their immortality to his sidelining of Tyrande, the problem is resolved without his involvement or is removed entirely. The most interesting Malfurion-related conflict takes place 90% without him, that being Fandral's reaction to the loss of immortality and Nordrassil. For his entire MMO timespan he's been a talisman more than a character, a prop there to go 'member me?' who's role couldn't just be excised without major difference, but would actually be better off in his absence because of a total failure to ever engage with any aspect of his character.

Throw him in the underworld until you can finally produce an actual story with him, until then, he does nothing but create the most dull kind of forum discussion. If you can't, keep him away and throw away the keys. People've rightly complained how there's no cost to death especially for Wild Gods - here's an answer to it. Go for it.

Its still a bad idea. Ysera had her whole arc pretty much concluded as well as it can be done by current Blizz writing team. Bringing her back just opens the way for Blizz to fuck up her story in some fashion and you KNOW they will. Would you rather they ran Merithra over with the Bad Writing Bus or bring back Ysera and fuck her up the same way?

And why the hell shall night elves lose Malfurion now when they were LOSING THINGS NON STOP SINCE BFA?! What is the point in this? What it achieves? More drama and pain for race that ONLY had pain and drama for several expansions now? Would you like more crap with your crap after a full course of crap? Is that your idea of "good writing"?

Well then, i guess you shall simply adore Warchiefs going bad, then mad, then dead (or "retired"). Because its the same incredible repetitive story pattern!

As others said - if Malf does not make green dragons swear allegiance to night elves in return for him literally killing himself to revive Ysera i am not sure if WoW has any redeeming qualities to it left.

[Nymrohd]

Why not send Tyrande to Ardenweald (given her overexposure over the last few expacs) and give Malf a turn at the wheel?

[Wyrt]

Does it really matter since Ysera's just back temporarily and isn't becoming aspect again? It's not like Blizzard ever does much with Malfurion anyway so if he's gone for 2 expansions no one will really notice anyway.

[Super Dickmann]

Oh, I seriously doubt Merithra is getting any story focus worth mentioning either way, it's just that I also doubt Ysera gets much as well, thus making the plotline potentially pointless. Getting rid of Malfurion is whatever, not like he ever was relevant in WoW except for a couple scenes over 18 years, but I still think Ysera ending in Ardenweald after dying is actually somewhat of a story for her, even if a simple one. Bringing her back makes her entire Legion-Shadowlands arc a complete waste of time. Who cares about that sad, well executed death cutscene in Val'sharah now, she's back a couple years after. I know Warcraft isn't exactly averse to bringing back characters at the best of times but the 15th time it happens doesn't suddenly make it good writing.

Its still a bad idea. Ysera had her whole arc pretty much concluded as well as it can be done by current Blizz writing team. Bringing her back just opens the way for Blizz to fuck up her story in some fashion and you KNOW they will. Would you rather they ran Merithra over with the Bad Writing Bus or bring back Ysera and fuck her up the same way?

Her Legion arc, i.e appearing for five minutes and then getting turbo-killed by Xavius and then getting a very solid cinematic was already spaced in Shadowlands. Shadowlands' story for her, one set in the forest of rebirth I'll add, only has a point if she does actually come back.The whole intro plot hinges on how much people want her to return, the 'point' of it is how sometimes it's worth expending the time to bring someone back and the actual events around her put us in the shoes of her backstory, protodrakes and Deathwing included, natch, but also her learning of current events. Ending Ysera's story in SL without bringing her back doesn't just make that a huge waste of time it makes her last act consist of roaring at Sylvanas and then running away. It's not good because Blizzard's already brought back tons of characters in retarded ways so what's one more, it's servicable because the entire focus on the character's plot is geared towards carrying it out and not following it up on it, as they somewhat pussy out on by not making her the Aspect, would render that sequence of events pointless. And pointless, at that, in service of someone who's even more of a cipher than she is and who's story was already done several times in the same expansion.

Instead of having her last act being yet another person receiving brain damage from proximity to Sylvanas, it begins with reinforcing her relationship with Merithra while still opening the way for her to interact with her family. Ysera has much more relevant ties to the remaining Aspects and the baddies of the setting than Merithra and the beat of inheritors has already been done with two other Flights in the same expansion. Bring her back is probably the most elaborate and longwinded resurrection they've done up to this point and in having a (token) cost (that won't go anywhere except a Malf buff), it's also the one that best maintains some kind of meaning to death, which can't be said for any of the Wild Gods, Muradin, etc. etc.

Well then, i guess you shall simply adore Warchiefs going bad, then mad, then dead (or "retired"). Because its the same incredible repetitive story pattern!.

No, that'd be the case if Night Elves gutted Malfurion in cold blood alongside their Horde friends and got some g for it. The dude isn't even really dead. Blizzard have no balls when it comes to killing Alliance characters and especially Night Elf characters. Even Shandris had a new, undercharacterized version emerge from a pod to die in A Good War.

Though agreed on how the Night Elves badly should get their forest allies back after the Darkshore fakeout.

[VladlTutushkin]

Her Legion arc, i.e appearing for five minutes and then getting turbo-killed by Xavius and then getting a very solid cinematic was already spaced in Shadowlands. Shadowlands' story for her, one set in the forest of rebirth I'll add, only has a point if she does actually come back.The whole intro plot hinges on how much people want her to return, the 'point' of it is how sometimes it's worth expending the time to bring someone back and the actual events around her put us in the shoes of her backstory, protodrakes and Deathwing included, natch, but also her learning of current events. Ending Ysera's story in SL without bringing her back doesn't just make that a huge waste of time it makes her last act consist of roaring at Sylvanas and then running away. It's not good because Blizzard's already brought back tons of characters in retarded ways so what's one more, it's servicable because the entire focus on the character's plot is geared towards carrying it out and not following it up on it, as they somewhat pussy out on by not making her the Aspect, would render that sequence of events pointless. And pointless, at that, in service of someone who's even more of a cipher than she is and who's story was already done several times in the same expansion.

Instead of having her last act being yet another person receiving brain damage from proximity to Sylvanas, it begins with reinforcing her relationship with Merithra while still opening the way for her to interact with her family. Ysera has much more relevant ties to the remaining Aspects and the baddies of the setting than Merithra and the beat of inheritors has already been done with two other Flights in the same expansion. Bring her back is probably the most elaborate and longwinded resurrection they've done up to this point and in having a (token) cost (that won't go anywhere except a Malf buff), it's also the one that best maintains some kind of meaning to death, which can't be said for any of the Wild Gods, Muradin, etc. etc.



No, that'd be the case if Night Elves gutted Malfurion in cold blood alongside their Horde friends and got some g for it. The dude isn't even really dead. Blizzard have no balls when it comes to killing Alliance characters and especially Night Elf characters. Even Shandris had a new, undercharacterized version emerge from a pod to die in A Good War.

Though agreed on how the Night Elves badly should get their forest allies back after the Darkshore fakeout.

Only reason they made Whatshername-retardface to replace Shandris for War of Thorns was because even Blizz in all their infinite wisdom could not find a way to realistically make her join Horde later on. But i bet they tried. I can almost see someone reading the scrip and saying like "Uh... well... that is great, but maybe we really going too balls to the walls by using Shandris there..." and so they made a replacement.

And i was talking about dumb story patterns. Night elves always used for drama, and Horde always loses warchiefs. Maybe its time to really "break the cycle"? Like night elves would get a clear, absolutely uncontested W while Horde would get to not be an evil mouthbreather force for once?

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Does it really matter since Ysera's just back temporarily and isn't becoming aspect again? It's not like Blizzard ever does much with Malfurion anyway so if he's gone for 2 expansions no one will really notice anyway.

Them not having writing skill and creativity to use some character, zone or faction does not give them an excuse to throw those away. Because guess what? Thats the core of Blizz being shit at story writing.

[Super Dickmann]

Only reason they made Whatshername-retardface to replace Shandris for War of Thorns was because even Blizz in all their infinite wisdom could not find a way to realistically make her join Horde later on. But i bet they tried. I can almost see someone reading the scrip and saying like "Uh... well... that is great, but maybe we really going too balls to the walls by using Shandris there..." and so they made a replacement.

And i was talking about dumb story patterns. Night elves always used for drama, and Horde always loses warchiefs. Maybe its time to really "break the cycle"? Like night elves would get a clear, absolutely uncontested W while Horde would get to not be an evil mouthbreather force for once?.

No, they did it because they don't have the balls to kill an actual Night Elf character who's already established. There's entire novels worth of whinging about that bint well before she was raised as if Delaryn were some kind of mainstay and not Jane Redshirt. It's the same reason Sadfang and Sylvanas didn't kill Malf when they had him dead to rights and had killing him as their objective, why Magni is still alive and why the longest-running Horde leader is the blood elf introduced in TBC. Alliance loses land and gets a lecture, Horde loses characters and gets a lecture. Such is the way of things.

[Mehrunes]

And why the hell shall night elves lose Malfurion now when they were LOSING THINGS NON STOP SINCE BFA?! What is the point in this? What it achieves? More drama and pain for race that ONLY had pain and drama for several expansions now?

Hey, that's not true. They also had plenty of renewal in SL.

[VladlTutushkin]

No, they did it because they don't have the balls to kill an actual Night Elf character who's already established. There's entire novels worth of whinging about that bint well before she was raised as if Delaryn were some kind of mainstay and not Jane Redshirt. It's the same reason Sadfang and Sylvanas didn't kill Malf when they had him dead to rights and had killing him as their objective, why Magni is still alive and why the longest-running Horde leader is the blood elf introduced in TBC. Alliance loses land and gets a lecture, Horde loses characters and gets a lecture. Such is the way of things.

Alliance “loses characters” without them dying. Tyrande’s lobotomy in Shadowlands was worse than death.

Main reason death of Malf pisses me off so much is because he fucken died at the worst possible moment when his race already lost like 90% of everything they had and for no gain for them.

Its just another “sacrifice for the greater good” which gets them nothing in the end.

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Hey, that's not true. They also had plenty of renewal in SL.

Like what?