Mark my words: Max will announce his retirement from raid leading after their kill OR some core raiders will try to start new guild after another loss.
Just my hard guess.
Mark my words: Max will announce his retirement from raid leading after their kill OR some core raiders will try to start new guild after another loss.
Just my hard guess.
Last edited by Mendzia; 2022-12-23 at 08:03 PM.
Pretty funny how people can say this stuff after watching these guilds play 24/7, do countless splits and spend millions of gold on BoE's. Even right now there's barely 50 guilds that are 3/8. Sepulcher being so hardcore was a massive failure on Blizz's part and they don't want that repeated. Its not that hard to understand.
First of all the 1k guild number is sepulcher level which was an anomaly and sure as hell won't be repeated by Blizzard.
And now also count the guilds that might not clear but still are pretty engaged with 4;5;6;7 or so Bosses out of 8.
Suddenly it's more like 50k+ players that do stuff in mythic, and if that is the oh so low 1% you morons whine about it would mean WoW sits at 5 million subs+ which to me seems like they're doing everything quite alright if that'd be the case.
Big doubt.
The guild may be forever the bridesmaid never the bride, but I bet it's profitable. They have a big org on board, and big Twitch numbers, too. The fact that they're #2 and not #1 isn't nearly as relevant as people think to their profitability. Sure it'd be better, but not winning doesn't mean they suddenly fail or fall apart. Hell no.
Max isn't a great raid leader, but he knows how to sell and market himself. I don't know the actual numbers, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if Liquit is making more money than Echo on the race, despite (nearly) always losing to them. I wouldn't even be surprised if it turned out they made substantially more money, given that they're the face of NA and that's a pretty damn big and important market.
I see you're not familiar with the practice of WoW GMs flying around raid instances invisible monitoring raid encounters on new patches. They've done it for over a decade now. There are numerous examples of them doing it and the images of them doing so have even appeared in interviews.
For example, this GM observing a raid team fighting The Butcher in Highmaul;
There are examples of this throughout the entirety of WoW's history. When a new raid launches, you can be absolutely certain there are GMs scattered about various instances watching and looking for bugs, even long before Race to World First events were a thing.
Ah, I see you did understand my point, though chose to completely ignore it because you wanted to prove a point I guess. You are correct, if they were involved and invested more heavily in the RtWF, they'd put much more emphasis on keeping a perfectly even playing field with no fixes that might give an advantage to a team coming in later. But they choose to continue to do bugfixes and hotfixes like it's just any ordinary day, because it is to them.
Sorry you have to reach so far, but at no point have I tried to separate the event from the game. I've been separating Blizzard's involvement with the game from being directly tied to the Race to World First. They absolutely are observing the race, but my entire point is that even if the community event didn't exist Blizzard would still be observing the top mythic guilds anyways. They aren't looking at these raids because of the RtWF, they're observing despite the RtWF.
Last edited by Darsyek; 2022-12-23 at 09:07 PM.
Grats Thunderca.. I mean Echo! Awesome performance really, everything was stellar and well deserved! Good job EU!
Yes, Max even said it on his stream before they started pulling, that its frustrating there was no communication and the nerf happened while they were sleeping. If they had known they wouldve gone to sleep early last night and woke up early this morning.
Nerf timing soured the race, it really should just be on daily reset that these things are applied especially for a final boss.
Damn liquid just got outplayed this whole tier, every major boss took Echo WAY less pulls then them.
Considering 50% of liquids lineup is actually EU players, i'm sure they could come back and make/join another, better guild, that is able to actually compete.
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Remember when they went to bed last tier, saying its over tuned and impossible and blizzard should just learn to tune things?
Only for echo to kill it like an hour later? Yeh, we all remember.
Now we wait for the true World First Race:
World First Alliance Raszageth kill
We're all newbs, some are just more newbier than others.
Just a burned out hardcore raider turned casual.
I'm tired. So very tired. Can I just lay my head on your lap and fall asleep?
#TeamFuckEverything
Wow amazing they killed it first! Awesome!!
This IS my point you goof. Those GM's are being PAID to do that. In these instances, many of those acting as "GM's" are people that aren't actually "GM's" (on your general day to day). Those are actual dev's investigating and watching how mechanics are being handled.
Which is the entire point. Blizzard is involved regardless of any other organization hyping it up. The world first race has ALWAYS existed because WoW is a game, and by design, is competitive. And has been a trend long before WoW even existed.
Blizzard is making a choice to be involved. They just as well could have, out of fairness, launch the content and ONLY make changes after the world first was obtained. In fact, that was more similar to how OG WoW used to be. Since Blizzard used to be ok with guilds not clearing raids for many many weeks/months. https://www.method.gg/raid-history is a great source for this. If you can't see the difference in a more hands off aproach of a raid going 150+ days without being cleared, to the now modern design of forcing a raid to be cleared in the first 11 days... you are arguing in bad faith...
No matter how much you try to dodge it, Blizzard first and foremost puts on the world first race, they design it, they promote it, they create the Twitch drops and cross promotions, and they are the ones that intentionally set it to last until the 28th. You can't just hand wave that away just because you refuse to admit that they are 100% in charge, and take part in the race as well.
You literally italisized a non-argument. It has nothing to do with it being "them". It has everything to do with "them" making an active choice to put resources, and pay people to involved in running and managing the world first race in a DIRECT way. They aren't just sitting on their hands watching as the community clears the content like you are pretending. Your quote is nonsense, it should read "You are correct, if they were MORE involved AND WANTED TO BE FAIR"Ah, I see you did understand my point, though chose to completely ignore it because you wanted to prove a point I guess. You are correct, if they were involved and invested more heavily in the RtWF, they'd put much more emphasis on keeping a perfectly even playing field with no fixes that might give an advantage to a team coming in later. But they choose to continue to do bugfixes and hotfixes like it's just any ordinary day, because it is to them.
This is one of the single most contradictory statements I've ever seen... How can you admit that Blizzard has GM's floating around watching the raid attempts, with the explicit purpose of gathering information and potentially make tuning changes, or fix bugs... and then in the next breath go "oh, but Blizzard isn't involved or taking part".Sorry you have to reach so far, but at no point have I tried to separate the event from the game. I've been separating Blizzard's involvement with the game from being directly tied to the Race to World First. They absolutely are observing the race, but my entire point is that even if the community event didn't exist Blizzard would still be observing the top mythic guilds anyways. They aren't looking at these raids because of the RtWF, they're observing despite the RtWF.
They are observing it because they WANT to be involved with their community, and want to be a part of the raid world first. And want to see it cleared in a pre-set time. It's not just designed that way, but advertised, and promoted, by blizzard...
RtWF (external coverage) existing or not has absolutely nothing to do with Blizzard taking an active roll in the world first raid clear. Which they have an entire history of doing (as you have shown and argued for). Which is even silly to consider because Blizzard DOES have an active roll in promoting the "RtWF". Or did you think Twitch and content creators tripped down the stairs and magically created the twitch drop asociated with it?
https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/worl...ates-has-begun
What do you think that above link is?
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