Revert the RIO score system change

[Sonqopura]

I am just baffled by the change with the m+ score where above 20 you basically get nothing if you deplete the key. As a 3.2k+ rio player it is incredibly frustrating to have to firstly get a decent run going on and secondly it is incredibly tilting to having the key deplete by 1-2 seconds for instance and getting absolutely nothing for it.

Few days ago we did a 25 nok, depleted it by legit 0.1 seconds and no score was received whatsoever. I mean who even asked for this change? Everyone is on board with getting better through runs and every mistake is a lesson of shorts. Timing the key sure has to be worth it but that's why depleted keys gave fewer points in the first place. There is a difference in gaining something over a well-played key with minor mistakes and just literally wasting 1 hour of your life for nothing.

Whoever thought / implemented the idea clearly has no clue of how pitch perfect runs 25 and above need to be in order to be timed.

Revert the change that no-one asked for in the first place, there are other ways of balancing the game or easy keys for instance. The whole idea was generated by people spamming SBG and COS for instance and inflating their RIO so don't take the easy route and actually go ahead and equalize the difficulty of the dungeons. You enforced a huge change without any regard of player effort and time investment.

[Bloodyleech]

No one except pusher care for score after finishing all 20s in time.
If you are a pusher, you push to reach YOUR limits.
Why would you get score for something you actually didn't EARN, when 21+ is all about earning prestige?
If you can't clear a 25 in time, you are not on the prestige level of others who clear 25 in time. Simple as that.

[Ssateneth]

who cares. there's literally no benefit whatsoever to do anything past +20. no achievement, no mount, no gear, nothing. not even pixels. you're crying over fake internet points. get over it.

[Azharok]

who cares. there's literally no benefit whatsoever to do anything past +20. no achievement, no mount, no gear, nothing. not even pixels. you're crying over fake internet points. get over it.

Wow is fake internet points... This is such a dumb take. The change is stupid.

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No one except pusher care for score after finishing all 20s in time.
If you are a pusher, you push to reach YOUR limits.
Why would you get score for something you actually didn't EARN, when 21+ is all about earning prestige?
If you can't clear a 25 in time, you are not on the prestige level of others who clear 25 in time. Simple as that.

And a timed 25 is still worth not than an out of time one. Do you even play high keys?

[klaps_05]

You should learn from failing, not be rewarded for it. If you fail a key by a few seconds or miliseconds, then you probably messed up a lot in the dungeon or didnt play optimally.

[Bloodyleech]

Wow is fake internet points... This is such a dumb take. The change is stupid.

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And a timed 25 is still worth not than an out of time one. Do you even play high keys?

Do you even read? It's even harder to understand what exactly the meaning of your sentence is, so I guess:
I said "it's about prestige". A timed 25 is worth more than a timed 24. Which, in turns, increases the prestige. And an untimed 25 is worth a 20 key.

[erifwodahs]

Because doing ++ on 23 SBG and then depleting a +25 shouldn't be the best way to get score?
A timed 24 should always be better than untimed 25 no matter how close 25 was.

[Merin]

who cares. there's literally no benefit whatsoever to do anything past +20. no achievement, no mount, no gear, nothing. not even pixels. you're crying over fake internet points. get over it.

It's a video game, none of it is real or matters to begin with, if the dude wants more nuance to climbing let him have it.

Goddamn you sound miserable, just fucking hate for no reason.

[czarek]

Because 20+ are for minmaxin elitist thigt group of playerbase. You just run it to feed your ego and flex with RIO.

[Azharok]

Do you even read? It's even harder to understand what exactly the meaning of your sentence is, so I guess:
I said "it's about prestige". A timed 25 is worth more than a timed 24. Which, in turns, increases the prestige. And an untimed 25 is worth a 20 key.

With the old system an out of time 25 was worth about as much as a timed 24. So the only "prestige" you had was having timed the 24. This essentially negates the whole pushing aspect of the post 20 keys, because the minute you are over time the key is worthless.

The new system is dumb though ... sure people farm SBG and CoS for easy score, but it's not like people didn't farm junkyard, gambit or necrotic wake for easy score either. And the key pushers know perfectly well that a 25 SBG isn't worth a 25 RLP so it changes nothing for them either.

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Because 20+ are for minmaxin elitist thigt group of playerbase. You just run it to feed your ego and flex with RIO.

As opposed to any other activity in this game ?

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You should learn from failing, not be rewarded for it. If you fail a key by a few seconds or miliseconds, then you probably messed up a lot in the dungeon or didnt play optimally.

But you are not rewarded for it, the key is worth as much as N-1 with the old system.

[kenn9530]

I am just baffled by the change with the m+ score where above 20 you basically get nothing if you deplete the key. As a 3.2k+ rio player it is incredibly frustrating to have to firstly get a decent run going on and secondly it is incredibly tilting to having the key deplete by 1-2 seconds for instance and getting absolutely nothing for it.

Few days ago we did a 25 nok, depleted it by legit 0.1 seconds and no score was received whatsoever. I mean who even asked for this change? Everyone is on board with getting better through runs and every mistake is a lesson of shorts. Timing the key sure has to be worth it but that's why depleted keys gave fewer points in the first place. There is a difference in gaining something over a well-played key with minor mistakes and just literally wasting 1 hour of your life for nothing.

Whoever thought / implemented the idea clearly has no clue of how pitch perfect runs 25 and above need to be in order to be timed.

Revert the change that no-one asked for in the first place, there are other ways of balancing the game or easy keys for instance. The whole idea was generated by people spamming SBG and COS for instance and inflating their RIO so don't take the easy route and actually go ahead and equalize the difficulty of the dungeons. You enforced a huge change without any regard of player effort and time investment.

Beyond a 20 key if you cant time it you shouldnt get rating, otherwise you can just eventually brute force through everything, if you are pushing keys beyond 20 and cant time it you dont deserve rating for it just because you finished it.

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With the old system an out of time 25 was worth about as much as a timed 24. So the only "prestige" you had was having timed the 24. This essentially negates the whole pushing aspect of the post 20 keys, because the minute you are over time the key is worthless.

The new system is dumb though ... sure people farm SBG and CoS for easy score, but it's not like people didn't farm junkyard, gambit or necrotic wake for easy score either. And the key pushers know perfectly well that a 25 SBG isn't worth a 25 RLP so it changes nothing for them either.

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As opposed to any other activity in this game ?

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But you are not rewarded for it, the key is worth as much as N-1 with the old system.

If you are doing keys beyond 20 you shouldnt get rewarded for failing to time it, the only reason to do keys beyond 20 is because there is not much else to do and you want more rating, you get rewarded for completing things intime, you also get rewarded with gear regardless of timing it or not.

[Mokuna]

If anything you should lose score when you deplete a key so your mythic+ score is actually a reflection of your skill at completing keys, and instead have a sort of mmr system that shows what key level you can consistently complete.

Mythic plus score has been a poison to this game in the sense people always want to do keys higher than what they've ever done, no matter if that's starting to tip above their skill level, it made pugging a lot worse, and that rio change was in the right direction at least because pretty much anyone who can time a 20 can time a 22-23 with 10-15 minutes above the timer, it shouldn't get you more score.

[Runicblood]

If anything you should lose score when you deplete a key so your mythic+ score is actually a reflection of your skill at completing keys, and instead have a sort of mmr system that shows what key level you can consistently complete.

I couldn't agree more with the first part of your post!!!!
So many people get boosted these days and show off their "uber legendary score" only to then prove they are absolute garbage!
Make M+ score some sort of mmr system omg that is such an amazing take, please blizzard <333

And to add to this to not make it too hard to fully upgrade your gear, have it be like "requires X season highest rating to upgrade" - i'm pretty sure pvp gear works like that (i wouldnt know, i dont pvp)

[Lordofbelbol]

You should learn from failing, not be rewarded for it. If you fail a key by a few seconds or miliseconds, then you probably messed up a lot in the dungeon or didnt play optimally.

messed up alot XDDDDD??
completing a 25 nok with 0.1 seconds late means you are a very skilled player, no they did not mess up alot
your comment shows you don't even have the capacity to visual how hard a 25 is

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Because 20+ are for minmaxin elitist thigt group of playerbase. You just run it to feed your ego and flex with RIO.

The OP wants to play at a higher difficulty, why are people attacking him ??
his post is x10000 times better than people in these forums asking for unimportant changes to the game

[kenn9530]

messed up alot XDDDDD??
completing a 25 nok with 0.1 seconds late means you are a very skilled player, no they did not mess up alot
your comment shows you don't even have the capacity to visual how hard a 25 is

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The OP wants to play at a higher difficulty, why are people attacking him ??
his post is x10000 times better than people in these forums asking for unimportant changes to the game

Failing to time something means you didnt perform properly you dont deserve to increase your rating, its just that simple, asking to be rewarded for failing is just plain stupid, there is players doing 26 NO with over 3 mins left on the timer so yes if they failed it by 0.1 secs they messed up and it shows they are not good enough to do anything higher.

If all you do is push keys it has nothing to do with difficulty at that point, it just comes down to performance.

[Ilookfly]

I am just baffled by the change with the m+ score where above 20 you basically get nothing if you deplete the key. As a 3.2k+ rio player it is incredibly frustrating to have to firstly get a decent run going on and secondly it is incredibly tilting to having the key deplete by 1-2 seconds for instance and getting absolutely nothing for it.

Few days ago we did a 25 nok, depleted it by legit 0.1 seconds and no score was received whatsoever. I mean who even asked for this change? Everyone is on board with getting better through runs and every mistake is a lesson of shorts. Timing the key sure has to be worth it but that's why depleted keys gave fewer points in the first place. There is a difference in gaining something over a well-played key with minor mistakes and just literally wasting 1 hour of your life for nothing.

Whoever thought / implemented the idea clearly has no clue of how pitch perfect runs 25 and above need to be in order to be timed.

Revert the change that no-one asked for in the first place, there are other ways of balancing the game or easy keys for instance. The whole idea was generated by people spamming SBG and COS for instance and inflating their RIO so don't take the easy route and actually go ahead and equalize the difficulty of the dungeons. You enforced a huge change without any regard of player effort and time investment.

Plenty of people like this change. Dratnos video on this change sums up why pretty nicely. Go watch it. Even if you dont care for the guy just go watch the argument for the change at least.

[Loveliest]

You're looking to vent on a forum with all sort of randos that may or may not do keys. Most will shoot you down because that's what they are here for, no matter the subject.

On topic, yeah, I think you should get some score. The biggest issue now is key discrepancy - if all keys were just as hard / easy, you wouldn't be able to have a 25 key to try unless you actually deserved having that 25. There's other issues like boosting with some deplete for score and so on.
But blizz, instead of fixing the actual issues that make it possible to make a score actually not reflect your value, they put this band aid to mask the effects. So for now, it's probably gonna stay like this and slowly frustrate you until it kills all your joy. Eventually you'll quit and that's that.

[czarek]

As opposed to any other activity in this game ?

Not exactly. If you get any permanent reward is more tangible to get your goal. If your goal is to just felixin around during season OK its your choince.
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The OP wants to play at a higher difficulty, why are people attacking him ??
his post is x10000 times better than people in these forums asking for unimportant changes to the game

I'm not attacking, I'm just stating the reality of playing on higher keys. How the rating system is structured is another matter. It may not be perfect, but I think it's all about making the highest keys as elite as possible. If someone maxes their skills, 0.1 second is important in sports, and that's probably what it's all about? If the rules were found in this way, they most definitely confirm the importance of every fraction of a second. If someone has a problem with this, they probably don't understand the meaning of being the best.

[Loveliest]

Failing to time something means you didnt perform properly you dont deserve to increase your rating, its just that simple, asking to be rewarded for failing is just plain stupid

I wonder if they apllied this to all levels of keys how you'd feel. Apparently it's not that stupid to award ppl gear, upgrades, mounts, achis for failing. But wait, somehow, at some point it becomes stupid, just because what, blizz said " from this arbitrarily chose level on it's just for prestige and all you have experienced before does not apply anymore".
Also wonder if they put a mount at 3.5k score what would ppl think... because, you know, somehow giving something means "we have to have it, it's not prestige"...

[Relapses]

If anything you should lose score when you deplete a key so your mythic+ score is actually a reflection of your skill at completing keys, and instead have a sort of mmr system that shows what key level you can consistently complete.

Mythic plus score has been a poison to this game in the sense people always want to do keys higher than what they've ever done, no matter if that's starting to tip above their skill level, it made pugging a lot worse, and that rio change was in the right direction at least because pretty much anyone who can time a 20 can time a 22-23 with 10-15 minutes above the timer, it shouldn't get you more score.

Adding a MMR system to keys would make them absolutely fucking miserable. People would throw keys after the first wipe because they'd just want to get out of that dungeon and into one that will 100% be a win. Terrible, horrible suggestion.