I hope in 11.0 they add Tinker, and it'll be the 2nd Druid ie. all 4 specs. The suit-up Ironman tank, dual-pistols ranged dps, chainsaws+electric shockers melee dps, potion-grenade healer.
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Sounds like patch will launch 15th, although they didn't want to reveal exact date. I wonder if they keep good habit and share 10.1 info same/next week. Preferably as youtube video 8.3 style (hate this fake discussion videos).
I think this patch PTR must start really fast for game to launch first half of May or it will be similar schedule to 9.1 - because patch + season start + world first race must happen outside D4 launch hype window.
It feels right that one of them is a debasement of the other. Either the Curse of Stone being the original and the Old Gods cursing the stoneborn with flesh. Or vice versa with the Titans creating the Curse of Stone as a mockery of the Old Gods attempting to curse their troops.
I think the issue with that though is that we never see titan aligned Faceless or similar, unless the Mogu are going to be retconned into it. (Which in saying it, does seem knda plausible with the weird face tentacles on them).
The world revamp dream will never die!
Anyone who reads the books
What happened with the old god heart after garrosh?
It's long been my assumption that the Titanforged creations were always meant to turn into living beings over time.
While Draenor's Breakers were affected by the "Spirit of Life" before turning into Gronn, Ogron, Ogres and Orcs (remember: Orcs are basically the Gnomes of Draenor) it makes little sense that the Old Gods could perform similar changes.
Since Life wasn't as rampant on Azeroth, the Titanforged may have been designed to become more "integrated" protectors of the planet and its Soul.
As this was somehow unknown to the Titanforged, this was easily claimed by Old God propaganda.
"We did this, and we can undo it - if you do what we say"
But your duty to Azeroth is not yet complete. More is demanded of you... a price the living cannot pay.
The artist working on new customizations aren’t the same people who work on new systems or gameplay or classes.
At best they could be working on new races or mobs instead but even then they made drac’s while still putting out more options for the other races so it’s not an either or.
All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.
I don't think so. Or if it is the case it wasn't known to the titans that this would happen eventually. Free will comes from the curse of flesh and thats very much against the principles of the titans.
The curse of flesh is still widely considered a curse even by the titan constructs like the uldum ones that lived for generations as fleshy beings. Al'akir offered to cure them in turn for their allyship and at some point easy access to the halls of reorigination. The Nefereset agreed to serve al'akir in turn for being cured and regain their stone bodies which they thought are superior. They also thought once they get their bodies back they are powerful enough to overthrow al'akir which they obviously weren't.
But at this lore is ages old and definetly a bit wonky.
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Didn't they just add the ability to hide most armor pieces? If anything, this is the best possible time to expand customization, especially since comparatively little effort is needed for it compared to certain other changes. It's fairly little work for a good payoff and something enjoyable for just about everybody.
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I think it's been stated, at least in older lore, that the Titans usually did seed organic life, with Azeroth being the exception. However, I personally would hate it if the Curse of Flesh was retconned into a deliberate quality of Titan constructs, because it would effectively remove one of the few things left that gives Warcraft any spirit of its own or one of the few things that actually works decently with the new "teh cosmuc forshes r extreems" spiel.
The curse of flesh will likely be changed to something like "the old god influence created flash and the watchers called it a curse because it wasn't a pure gift from the Titans" and "the old gods saw flesh as a gift because it created more possibilities for the beings on Azeroth and allowed them to spread their message"
I think it's probably it. Like being "fleshy" isn't intrinsically bad, is just that it makes beings less controllable as constructs, vulnerable to outside forces -such as the Void-
Like yeah the Void did do it in order to advance its own plans, but they could also re-frame it as being at least partially about free will.
I figure that it's best not to frame it strictly as a matter of free will being an objective of the Void per se, as that provides too familiar of an outlook to the Old Gods and the Void as a whole. I think a better way to frame it is that free will is contingent on the illimitable potential of the Void, with the former as a byproduct of or a means to achieve the latter, which is what the Void was trying to accomplish. It's not an exceptionally obvious distinction, but it's one that I think should be made.
Indeed. Not go the route of "Actually we're good and we did it for you" but as in their agenda requires free will from sentient beings so they can manipulate it. Contrasting that to "Order" and their tendency to hinder free will in their agenda of peace, which at its worst can lead to totalitarism.
I would like that at leas one major Void related character was actually just super into letting everyone do what they want, total entropy. Someone that didn't care about the cosmic game at all.
Re: entropy, that actually draws to mind a good comparison. A state of absolute stasis and a state of absolute randomness will both bring about the same end result—that is to say, a complete lack of anything constructive. It would result in an absolute void, devoid of anything of legitimate substance. I actually prefer this to the idea of a haphazard allegory for anarchy and totalitarianism, as I figure that a metaphysical conflict like this lends itself better to something more absolute and universal in nature.
I like to think that that distinct forces *negative* outcomes are not necessarily parallels of the others, nor do they need to be contrasted thematically, nor be neat allegories. The downside of Order is gonna be Authoritatrism in some aspect, and should be explored as such, doesn't mean it has to be reflected on other cosmic power as Anarchy.