PvP Overall Crowd Control NERFs - Who asked for this?

[Dejiko]

Crowd control is awful, should be removed entirely.

[Nzembwamugumbwalchu]

They should atleast let blind 6 sec like all other cc, not 5 , all classes should be balanced equally , now everyone will just play who does more dmg and heal, even thinking of using cc will be a dps loss

[Sialina]

PvP clearly needs to listen less to bad players, before DF people said 3v3 would die out with the gearing changes, but everyone was soo sure it would be great, nope, pvp is so dead you almost can't reach glad anymore. Now they are removing CC, noobs will still cry, this time it will be "balance" even if their class is represented in the top 5%, and even less people will play.

[Biomega]

Keep in mind what their goal is here; it's NOT to create the perfect, skill-based balance environment for the 3,000+ rating AWC competitors. It's to make PvP fun for the broad, underskilled masses of Johnny Random and his friends.

That's why CC is such a problem. At the high level, it's something you play with and play around. At the low level, it's something you experience, feel helpless against, and go "welp, I'll never play THIS again". That's Blizzard's worst-case scenario.

Of course the high-end isn't irrelevant to them, but it's far less important than the overall experience of the rando commando players who just jump into an arena or BG here and there on a Friday night. Those are their most numerous customers.

[Amariw]

Reading the title, i figured they massively buffed DR or something, but they just reduced ccs by an avg of one second or so. Will it be meaningful? Possibly, but CC will still be very important to matches, and it can be a positive change. Too little CC is indeed bad for the game, but so is too much.

[Vampyrr]

In Embers of Neltharion EVERY crowd control ability will be nerfed...even interrupts.
Source:
1) Idea
https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic...of-neltharion/
2) Numbers
https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic...lopment-notes/

Now tell me...who asked for this?
Even my low rated pvp noob self doesnt want this...

Crowd control is literally one of the skill factors in wow...with this changes some of this CC abilities wont even be worth pressing.
It will be a waste of time and you might aswell spam damage instead.

Who benefits from this? Warriors and DK's?

The entire Rogue class for example WONT be able to Blind into Sap anymore due to this CC changes.
And this example wasnt even a side effect of the overall nerf.
It was a targeted nerf to Rogues clearly stated in blue post "we dont want rogues to blind into sap anymore".

GG

Video in case you are interested in a pro player opinion (Xaryu)

Not as happy with interrupts but all Hard CC should DR with all other forms of Hard CC. So blind shares with stun and sap and fear and mind control and cyclone etc etc.

[Ashana Darkmoon]

Keep in mind what their goal is here; it's NOT to create the perfect, skill-based balance environment for the 3,000+ rating AWC competitors. It's to make PvP fun for the broad, underskilled masses of Johnny Random and his friends.

That's why CC is such a problem. At the high level, it's something you play with and play around. At the low level, it's something you experience, feel helpless against, and go "welp, I'll never play THIS again". That's Blizzard's worst-case scenario.

Of course the high-end isn't irrelevant to them, but it's far less important than the overall experience of the rando commando players who just jump into an arena or BG here and there on a Friday night. Those are their most numerous customers.

SOunds dramatically more fun to be able to actually play the game and your character.

Still wish they'd have just taken the resolve bar from swtor tho

[Biomega]

SOunds dramatically more fun to be able to actually play the game and your character.

Still wish they'd have just taken the resolve bar from swtor tho

One of the biggest complaints has definitely been how intransparent and unintuitive diminishing returns are, ESPECIALLY graphically. There's basically no way to tell without a bunch of WAs and addons. That's a design mistake, plain and simple.

I also love the resolve bar. I'm not sure how well it would translate, but it'd be a start.

[Very Tired]

Someone help me out here but how many other pvp games like WoW use crowd control which take you out of the game for 8 seconds?

Honestly feel like its a lesson they learned in Overwatch. Forget balance or letting skill shine, being cced just doesn't make for fun gameplay.

[Ealyssa]

You missed my point entirely.

You have no point...
You're here crying about loosing ~0.5s per CC duration (and yes, it is not 1s thanks to the trinket reduction going away) while playing rogue badly by your own admission.

What point is that ? That you will be a bit less carried by your OP class ? How is that a bad thing ?

[Lazerbrain]

Not as happy with interrupts but all Hard CC should DR with all other forms of Hard CC. So blind shares with stun and sap and fear and mind control and cyclone etc etc.

I hope they are going to add 1 sec to all casts to compensate or interrupting things is gonna get real tricky if not even outright impossible on all casts below 1.5 seconds when taking lag into account..

[Vampyrr]

I hope they are going to add 1 sec to all casts to compensate or interrupting things is gonna get real tricky if not even outright impossible on all casts below 1.5 seconds when taking lag into account..

I didnt read it as making it hard to instant interrupt just as making there be a DR for how long you cant cast or some such

[AlmightyGerkin]

Crowd control is awful, should be removed entirely.

No that is a horrible idea

[Thes]

Not a huge fan of every game going into deep damp with healers just face tanking 3 second interrupts and not being able to punish dumb idiots with too short of a stun lol

These changes kinda work for me because I'm a big pumper but I feel these nerfs will make the game less interesting and more zug zug

[Segus1992]

If you are going to call me bad at least flex your rating at me and show me who is boss and make me eat dirt.
At least do it right.

You missed my point entirely.

If 1700 rating required effort then you're bad literally regardless of circumstances. Anyone with even a little experience in PvP could tell you that.

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I hope they are going to add 1 sec to all casts to compensate or interrupting things is gonna get real tricky if not even outright impossible on all casts below 1.5 seconds when taking lag into account..

Eh? This has nothing to do with anything. Do you play with 1500ms? Humans need about 0.2 sec (200ms) to react, so even interrupting a 0.5 sec cast with up to 300ms is possible.

[Big Thanks]

If 1700 rating required effort then you're bad literally regardless of circumstances. Anyone with even a little experience in PvP could tell you that.

Anyone with real experience in this game would know 1700 is above 50% of entire planet at least.

Or are you about to tell me 60% of wow players are 2000 rated?

Im too lazy to go check an achievement site to give you exatc numbers of %
But is just logical.

[Lazerbrain]

If 1700 rating required effort then you're bad literally regardless of circumstances. Anyone with even a little experience in PvP could tell you that.

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Eh? This has nothing to do with anything. Do you play with 1500ms? Humans need about 0.2 sec (200ms) to react, so even interrupting a 0.5 sec cast with up to 300ms is possible.

Now I might have read the notes wrong and just assumed blizz removed interrupts from being instant to part of the GCD, making you have to wait at least 0.5 after your last cast before being able to interrupt.


If my assumption on the patch notes is wrong just tell me. =)

[Segus1992]

Now I might have read the notes wrong and just assumed blizz removed interrupts from being instant to part of the GCD, making you have to wait at least 0.5 after your last cast before being able to interrupt.


If my assumption on the patch notes is wrong just tell me. =)

No, of course that's wrong. That's fucking bonkers.

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Anyone with real experience in this game would know 1700 is above 50% of entire planet at least.

Or are you about to tell me 60% of wow players are 2000 rated?

Im too lazy to go check an achievement site to give you exatc numbers of %
But is just logical.

Ok? If you're at 1700 rating you either put too little effort in or you don't really understand fundamentals enough to speak about changes like these. Above average doesn't mean good.

[minteK917]

You can usually tell people that are dumb as brick in pvp when their complaint is CC. CC is literally the only form of mastery in pvp. Who to CC and When. Doing your rotation on players target dummies is not skills. Who ever is gona be the best is the spec with the most damage at all time. There is no other skill in this game, player abilities cannot be dodged, you dont need to aim. Knowing when to do your cc and counter a cc is your only expression of skill.

[SinR]

Tell me you're a Mage without telling me you're a Mage OP