Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Iphie]

What Russia can afford is not limitless if they want to stumble out on the other end as a functional state with their country.

The soviet union of the early 20th century (and the Russian empire before it for that matter) had demographics that on average were a much younger country than Russia is now, their ability to absorb similar shocks to their demographic prospects isn't the same.

The thing is they couldn't really absorb the loss of manpower as a result of WWII either, their fucked up demographics are a direct result of that war. If memory serves, and I was correctly informed, something like 80% of the men born in 1923 perished during the war, that is not something you can just absorb.

[Makabreska]

The thing is they couldn't really absorb the loss of manpower as a result of WWII either, their fucked up demographics are a direct result of that war. If memory serves, and I was correctly informed, something like 80% of the men born in 1923 perished during the war, that is not something you can just absorb.

8.7 million Russians died in WW2, according to Russian military. But ofc, since we learned not to believe ruskies, many other studies calculated it to be rather 14 million.

[Canpinter]

What Russia can afford is not limitless if they want to stumble out on the other end as a functional state with their country.

The soviet union of the early 20th century (and the Russian empire before it for that matter) had demographics that on average were a much younger country than Russia is now, their ability to absorb similar shocks to their demographic prospects isn't the same.

I hope your right.

[Iphie]

8.7 million Russians died in WW2, according to Russian military. But ofc, since we learned not to believe ruskies, many other studies calculated it to be rather 14 million.

That's just the soldiers...as far as I know the civilian casualties ran into the tens of millions.

[Elder Millennial]

And not to mention that terror apparatus was sooooo much greater under Stalin, making any push backs much less likely.

I wouldn't bet on the Russian's capacity to "push back". I legit think they'd all march into machine gun fire before they'd push for political change.

[Makabreska]

I wouldn't bet on the Russian's capacity to "push back". I legit think they'd all march into machine gun fire before they'd push for political change.

Well, when so many of them were fleeing the country to escape enlistment, that was a form of pushing back.

[YUPPIE]

Apparently, Germany will detain Putin if he sets foot there.

I feel like with the ICC news, this man is legitimately considered an international criminal now despite being the head of a state.

[Lahis]

Apparently, Germany will detain Putin if he sets foot there.

I feel like with the ICC news, this man is legitimately considered an international criminal now despite being the head of a state.

Well Putin is not setting foot on an enemy country anyways, so this is of little consequence.

[Wilian]

Well Putin is not setting foot on an enemy country anyways, so this is of little consequence.

What will be interesting will be his scheduled visit to South Africa for the BRICS meeting they're going to have in the summer. South Africa is signatory to the Rome Statute and obligated to arrest him if he goes.

[Iphie]

What will be interesting will be his scheduled visit to South Africa for the BRICS meeting they're going to have in the summer. South Africa is signatory to the Rome Statute and obligated to arrest him if he goes.

Myeah, but wouldn't diplomatic immunity be a bit of an issue?

[Saradain]

What will be interesting will be his scheduled visit to South Africa for the BRICS meeting they're going to have in the summer. South Africa is signatory to the Rome Statute and obligated to arrest him if he goes.

To be honest should add Peskov and Lavrov to the war criminal list, otherwise they'll just send 'em there. And to avoid disappointment, I fully predict South Africa ain't gonna touch Putin even if he personally would arrive.

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Myeah, but wouldn't diplomatic immunity be a bit of an issue?

Diplomatic immunity does not grant immunity for war crimes. Or so I read from finnish papers recently discussing the matter!

[YUPPIE]

I think the arrest warrants placed on Putin are honestly just talk/BS, unless they just send him back to Russia right after. If they hypothetically capture him and try to send him to the Hague or similar, what do they think is going to happen?

[Wilian]

Myeah, but wouldn't diplomatic immunity be a bit of an issue?

Sovereign immunty and to that extent diplomatic immunity do not shield you from ICC based warrant based on war crimes or crimes against humanity.

[Gorsameth]

I think the arrest warrants placed on Putin are honestly just talk/BS, unless they just send him back to Russia right after. If they hypothetically capture him and try to send him to the Hague or similar, what do they think is going to happen?

Ofcourse its PR. Putin isn't leaving Russia.
As for what would happen if he did get arrested. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratko_Mladi%C4%87

[YUPPIE]

As for what would happen if he did get arrested

No. That is not what would happen if Putin ever got captured.

That man is nothing compared to Putin in terms of threat and influence. Russia would martyr Putin if he got captured.

[Calfredd]

No. That is not what would happen if Putin ever got captured.

That man is nothing compared to Putin in terms of threat and influence. Russia would martyr Putin if he got captured.

Good for you but keep your deification to a minimum.

[Corvus]

No. That is not what would happen if Putin ever got captured.

That man is nothing compared to Putin in terms of threat and influence. Russia would martyr Putin if he got captured.

Haha. No. Just look how fast they turned on Stalin and he had way more power and a way bigger cult of personality than pootie could ever dream of.

[Azadina]

What will be interesting will be his scheduled visit to South Africa for the BRICS meeting they're going to have in the summer. South Africa is signatory to the Rome Statute and obligated to arrest him if he goes.

If they refuse, perhaps they need some Freedom and Democracy imported to them.

[YUPPIE]

Putin has allegedly visited Mariupol since yesterday

And also, South Africa arresting one of their BRICs partners just sounds absurd.

[Kallisto]

BRICS is hardly unified. Hell I & C of BRICS despise each other.