Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Edge-]

https://www.salon.com/2023/03/20/rig...f-is-indicted/

Continuing the, "Very reasonable response to the potential for Trump to be indicted."

Far-right broadcaster Pete Santilli called on members of the military to execute former President Barack Obama, former Attorney General Eric Holder, and former National Security Advisor Susan Rice if former President Donald Trump is arrested.

Trump in a lengthy rant on Truth Social over the weekend claimed he would be arrested in connection to the Manhattan district attorney's investigation into hush-money payments made to adult film star Stormy Daniels in the final stretch of the 2016 presidential campaign.

Santilli responded on his show by calling for Trump's supporters in the military to rise up and round up Obama and his former administration officials and shoot them against a "concrete wall."

"Get the military, whatever few are left that are gonna side with the people. You military personnel and you people with guns and badges and law enforcement will succumb to the will of the people," Santilli said in a clip flagged by Right Wing Watch.

"And ultimately, we demand, we absolutely demand that the criminals, the criminals in this country, if you want them held accountable, the criminals are Barack Obama, Eric Holder, Susan Rice," he continued. "This entire criminal cabal that came about as a result of the murder of John F. Kennedy, the people that perpetrated the murder of John F. Kennedy, rise up to that."

"Military, join us and put all of them up against a concrete wall...and do what we must do to save not just our country, the entire world," he pleaded.

Rofl, these idiots are still losing their minds about the Kennedy assassination. I thought Trump was going to declassify all that info or something? What gives?

[s_bushido]

Abject lunacy aside, what's the deal with these people and the Kennedy's? They're the sort that like to pretend the parties didn't essentially swap sides of the aisle in the 60s, so why are they rallying behind a Democrat?

[Gabriel]

Abject lunacy aside, what's the deal with these people and the Kennedy's? They're the sort that like to pretend the parties didn't essentially swap sides of the aisle in the 60s, so why are they rallying behind a Democrat?

Losers like conspiracy theories because it makes them feel smarter than rest of the humanity for once, and they get to blame their own short fallings on some nebulous dark cabal that is too big to do anything about, so they don't have to feel bad about not improving their own situation in life.

[Breccia]

DeSanctimonious killing his chances at a Presidential run in 2024.

"I don’t know what goes into paying hush money to a porn star to secure silence over some type of alleged affair. I just, I can’t speak to that" - Ron DeSanctimonious

We have a response.

Ron DeSanctimonious will probably find out about FALSE ACCUSATIONS & FAKE STORIES sometime in the future, as he gets older, wiser, and better known, when he’s unfairly and illegally attacked by a woman, even classmates that are ‘underage’ (or possibly a man!). I’m sure he will want to fight these misfits just like I do!

Well, at least Trump suggested the men coming out to accuse him would be illegally FAKE STORIES. And not, you know, going full homophobe.

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Losers like conspiracy theories because it makes them feel smarter than rest of the humanity for once, and they get to blame their own short fallings on some nebulous dark cabal that is too big to do anything about, so they don't have to feel bad about not improving their own situation in life.

South Park put forth the idea (not necessarily their own) when discussing 9/11 Truthers, that conspiracy theorists need to feel like everything's part of the plan. That W caused 9/11 because they preferred that, than it was pissed off terrorists we didn't see coming.

A President being killed by a single actor working alone is chaos they're not willing to accept. A highly-constructed plan involving the Illuminati, Mafia, Catholic Church and Marilyn Monroe being needed to execute such a difficult, impossible task as "shooting a guy in the middle of the street on your third try" just makes more sense to them.

But they are losers, they are stupid, they are looking for someone to blame and they are insane.

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Yeah even though I have plenty, I'm stashing CNN points for the possible upcoming arrest.

[url=https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-probe-law-enforcement-dont-expect-arraignment-next-week-virtual-option-off-table]Trump probe: law enforcement don’t expect arraignment until next week, virtual option off the table[/url[

Law enforcement officials met behind closed doors Monday to discuss the logistics of arraiging Trump following his possible indictment over hush-money payments made on his behalf during the 2016 presidential campaign.

A law enforcement source told Fox News Monday that the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office and different branches of law enforcement discussed the logistics of closing down streets and putting lights up with generators, extra barriers, and extra police.

"Hey didn't FOX News and Trump both say leaks were bad?"

Yes, recently.

"So...shouldn't they have sat on this story, because it was a leak?"

Well, that would have made them consistent and ethical, so there was no chance.

The source said law enforcement does not expect Trump to be arraigned until next week as the Manhattan grand jury – which has been meeting secretly to hear evidence for weeks – has another witness on Wednesday. A virtual option was apparently ruled out as the District Attorney is opposed to it.

The source told Fox News that law enforcement is concerned about safety. If Trump does come up to Manhattan, there will be a major police presence and the area will get shut down. Trump has called on his supporters to protest ahead of a possible indictment.

Yep, that's FOX News telling their own viewers they expect their own viewers to be violent thugs.

And of course:

An indictment of Trump, who is seeking the White House again in 2024, would be an unprecedented moment in American history, the first criminal case bla bla bla

And not, for example, "the first crime committed and caught for". The issue isn't Trump being arrested for committing a crime, it's Trump being a criminal. If your problem isn't that he's a criminal, it's that he's caught, then the problem is you.

[CostinR]

The great irony is he will be arrested for Stormy Daniels. Well Donald your history of adultery finally caught up to you!

[Kaleredar]

The great irony is he will be arrested for Stormy Daniels. Well Donald your history of adultery finally caught up to you!

This serves the extra purpose of bringing part of Trump’s past that his “party of family values” likes to ignore: that he cheated on his wife with a prostitute.

[postman1782]

Nah. Clinton is a go to favorite. Along with Obama. I mean, even Bill Gates is getting put into the action.

I have seen a lot of morons on Tiktok claiming that what Trump did with Stormy is comparable to Paula Jones with the $850k settlement that Bill Clinton paid. They claimed that it is exactly the same. Even though what Clinton paid, was a court settlement and she said everything she could in public. What Trump did was used campaign funds to hide it. But yet, they still say its the same.

[Breccia]

This serves the extra purpose of bringing part of Trump’s past that his “party of family values” likes to ignore: that he cheated on his wife with a prostitute.

He will deny it, claiming "I was just paying her off" forever, and his fans will accept it.

As usual, Trump needs more than his fans. DeSantis has never cheated on his wife.

Oh, wait, sorry. DeSantis didn't cheat on his third wife with a porn star and pay her money to keep quiet before an election. There, that's better.

Yeah, that's a Washington Examiner OP ED. Trump has real issues with the Republican Party.

You know who is not involved in any of this? The happily-married-to-his-first-wife Ron DeSantis. And you know who Trumpworld made the villain of the weekend? You guessed it — the Florida governor.

After two days of Trump's closest allies demanding that DeSantis address the arrest rumor, he did, first thing on Monday morning, condemning the "Soros-funded prosecutor" for "pursuing a political agenda and weaponizing the office." This was the response from Donald Trump Jr.

So DeSantis thinks that Dems weaponizing the law to indict President Trump is a "manufactured circus" & isn't a "real issue"

Pure weakness. Now we know why he was silent all weekend. He's totally owned by Karl Rove, Paul Ryan & his billionaire donors. 100% Controlled Opposition.

Jumping in here: Donnie Dum-Dum Jr. said that on Twitter. Not CyberTrump 2077. Twitter.

DeSantis owes Trump nothing. Recall that it was literally last month when Trump teased that DeSantis sexually abused underage girls, sharing an unverified photo with the caption, "Here is Ron DeSanctimonious grooming high school girls with alcohol as a teacher," with a link to a left-wing outlet raving about this baseless conspiracy theory.

I get that we live in the post-Clinton era, a political climate in which both parties' presidential candidates were accused of sexual assault, and nobody blinked an eye. But however obscene Bragg's criminal persecution of Trump may be, can ostensibly pro-family and pro-marriage conservatives just consider the fact that it may be less of a headache to elect a presidential candidate who has not been accused of cheating on multiple of his three wives? What about one who has not been accused of sexual assault? What about one who has not publicly befriended a convicted sex trafficker and offered his well wishes to another one?

DeSantis may be boring, "DeSanctimonious," or whatever tacky insult Trump generates next. But until he provides any evidence to the contrary, it is safe to assume that DeSantis has never cheated on his (first and only) wife with a porn star and violated campaign finance law to pay for said porn star's silence.

Added fun: DeSantis married his first and only wife in 2009 in Disney, heh lil irony there. Trump married Melania in 2005, met a whore in 2006, and then paid the whore for sex no later than 2011 when the whore went public. Even if Trump never cheated on his other two wives -- yes he has, he cheated on his first wife with his second wife, and his second wife with his third wife -- but even if not, DeSantis has been married longer faithfully than Trump ever has to anyone.

[Kaleredar]

He will deny it, claiming "I was just paying her off" forever, and his fans will accept it.

He can deny it all he wants. But it'll become a matter of rather public record, as in "in every news headline about Trump" leading up to his already shaky run for presidency in 2024.

And it was never about convincing his idiotic base as to whether he did something or not. Less-insane GOPers looking for an out will look to Desantis for an easy alternative.

[Paranoid Android]

I mean...they're both Democrats, right? It'd be strange if he didn't.

Rich people donate to candidates on their side of the aisle. If Republicans don't like that idea, they can suck my Koch.

It was hilarious because that shit came up in my local DA race. Challenger was having their supporter spam Soros-based attacks on the incumbent (who was pretty good) all over local media comments sections and highlighting the connection in campaign materials.

Like...do they think George has all the time in the world to personally direct every politician that's received any funding from his organizations and do everything else he does in the day?

The projection is always sooo much for these people. Strange that Republicans have a pool of billionaires, most making Soros look like a poor boy in net worth. Without research I can name Kochs, DeVos, Adelson (dead), Mercer, etc. The ones I named are the real pieces of feces. Oh the one from Illinois who used over $1 billion to fund Supreme Court.

We can play the game of "why did Soros, donate to Bragg". Any Dem was going to win and idc if this was all to the general or to get him primaried into the AG. Obviously financing the guy in the who would crush any Republican in the general election sort of says something about money in politics.

But yes they can say Soros and just like woke that gets the base drooling like Pavlov's dog. Guess who else tied Soros with Bragg in a reply tweet of Catturd of course; Elon Musk. They are all in with this conspiracy of this one billionaire, while Republicans have so many more.

[Poopymonster]

The projection is always sooo much for these people. Strange that Republicans have a pool of billionaires, most making Soros look like a poor boy in net worth. Without research I can name Kochs, DeVos, Adelson (dead), Mercer, etc. The ones I named are the real pieces of feces. Oh the one from Illinois who used over $1 billion to fund Supreme Court.

We can play the game of "why did Soros, donate to Bragg". Any Dem was going to win and idc if this was all to the general or to get him primaried into the AG. Obviously financing the guy in the who would crush any Republican in the general election sort of says something about money in politics.

But yes they can say Soros and just like woke that gets the base drooling like Pavlov's dog. Guess who else tied Soros with Bragg in a reply tweet of Catturd of course; Elon Musk. They are all in with this conspiracy of this one billionaire, while Republicans have so many more.

Soros you say? A single billionaire who allegedly wields this level of power?
Tell me they're blaming the Jews without saying they're blaming the Jews.

[Belize]

https://www.salon.com/2023/03/20/rig...f-is-indicted/

Continuing the, "Very reasonable response to the potential for Trump to be indicted."



Rofl, these idiots are still losing their minds about the Kennedy assassination. I thought Trump was going to declassify all that info or something? What gives?

At what point do these become concrete threats and we lock up these lunatics?

[Shadowferal]

Donald Trump wants his '74 million' supporters to sign a petition railing against his potential arrest. Those who sign it are asked to donate $3,300 and more

What a nauseous slimy shit...I can't even...

[Gelannerai]

Donald Trump wants his '74 million' supporters to sign a petition railing against his potential arrest. Those who sign it are asked to donate $3,300 and more

What a nauseous slimy shit...I can't even...

Ok, that gave me a good laugh to start off my day. Shit reads like an Onion article.

[gondrin]

He will deny it, claiming "I was just paying her off" forever, and his fans will accept it.

As usual, Trump needs more than his fans. DeSantis has never cheated on his wife.

Oh, wait, sorry. DeSantis didn't cheat on his third wife with a porn star and pay her money to keep quiet before an election. There, that's better.

Yeah, that's a Washington Examiner OP ED. Trump has real issues with the Republican Party.



Jumping in here: Donnie Dum-Dum Jr. said that on Twitter. Not CyberTrump 2077. Twitter.



Added fun: DeSantis married his first and only wife in 2009 in Disney, heh lil irony there. Trump married Melania in 2005, met a whore in 2006, and then paid the whore for sex no later than 2011 when the whore went public. Even if Trump never cheated on his other two wives -- yes he has, he cheated on his first wife with his second wife, and his second wife with his third wife -- but even if not, DeSantis has been married longer faithfully than Trump ever has to anyone.

The most ironic part of this whole mess is Trump is known to have been cheating on his wives. It is a known quality of him. There used to be jokes made of Trump about him and his mistresses. That is why the whole paying off Daniels makes it even more idiotic and stupid on his part.

Here is Johnny Carson making a joke about it in 1992. Time of joke starts at around 1:35.

[Shadowferal]

"Paul Tsongas." Democrat that was the left twin to the gop Romney...

[Breccia]

What a nauseous slimy shit...I can't even...

I can. It's 100% on brand and we've seen it for years.

Trump did not specify how he intends to use such a list of supporters, nor did the website display a tracker of how many signatures had been collected.

The Trump campaign also claims that donations via this form will yield a "1,500%" impact, but doesn't explain how Trump will do this. He often promises donors that he will multiply the effectiveness of their cash donations many times.

The claim is a fundraising gimmick that's been also used by other politicians, including former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. However, many campaigns are now avoiding the tactic after the Justice Department in 2021 sentenced a political scam artist to 20 years in prison, in part for using this claim fraudulently.

This is the candidate tehdang and GreenJesus support.

Trump has repeatedly tried to raise funds off investigations or government actions against him. Such instances include when the FBI raided his Mar-a-Lago residence and when the January 6 House committee voted to subpoena him.

Most recently, he's been using rumors of his indictment to raise funds on his social media platform, Truth Social, Insider previously reported. He said supporters shouldn't send him anything if they are "doing poorly," but told them to "send your contribution" if they are "doing well."

The former president and his team also send emails to potential donors every day, often touting rewards like a chance to dine with Trump, the privilege of signing his birthday card. One such email in June promised supporters the title of "Great MAGA King Status" — which appears to essentially be an animated GIF of a scroll.

This is the candidate tehdang and GreenJesus actually support.

Trump is likely going to avoid any fraud charges for this, because "give me money" isn't fraud. I would like to see how many people actually give the $3,300 (people giving $5 or $10 don't concern me) considering it's 100% public that Trump has not paid any legal bills for people who are not Trump.

[s_bushido]

I would like to see how many people actually give the $3,300 (people giving $5 or $10 don't concern me) considering it's 100% public that Trump has not paid any legal bills for people who are not Trump.

Didn't his ridiculous NFTs "Trading Cards" sell out pretty quickly? If fleecing the gullible wasn't easy, televangelists would be out of a job. And none of them have access to the sort of marketing that Trump enjoys.

[Breccia]

The headline of this TheAtlantic article is This Is Not Great News for Donald Trump but the tagline is "Despite what some Republicans are saying, getting indicted is generally a poor political strategy" so you know I have to quote it.

The assumption that Trump will profit seems to spring from hubris (among his allies) and self-protective fear (on the part of his critics and rivals). They are operating on a shared, obsolete conclusion that nothing can ever harm the former president. For a long time, this made sense. Despite a series of scandals that would have ended the career, much less the candidacy, of any other politician, Trump won the 2016 presidential election and then embarked on an even more scandal-ridden administration. Yet he seemed to chug away, indifferent to bad press. A narrative of Trumpian invincibility developed as an antidote to callow, wish-casting predictions of walls closing in on Trump.

Caution is understandable, but we know enough now to realize that although Trump is exceptionally resilient, he’s also not invulnerable. In 2018, after he decided to frame the midterm elections as a referendum on him personally, Democrats won big in House and governor elections. In 2020, the House impeached him; when the Senate did not vote to convict, some observers took this as proof that he couldn’t be stopped. But it did damage Trump, and later that year, he lost his reelection bid narrowly but decisively, losing the popular vote for the second time. After his extended attempt to overturn the 2020 election, voters once again punished candidates flying his banner and rallying around his causes in the 2022 midterms.

What charges against Trump are certain to do is inflame his most devoted supporters. They will be furious that anyone would dare try to hold Trump accountable, view it as an act of political persecution, and make a great deal of noise about it. But no one should mistake the vociferousness of this group for size. They’ve always been noisy. They’ve always been a minority: As I wrote in November, we now have multiple demonstrations that an anti-MAGA majority exists among American voters. And now, with the country heading into the 2024 election cycle, Trump alternatives are gaining more traction—most significantly, Governor Ron DeSantis of Florida.

The article also says
1) there's no real reason to believe Trump being indicted will make people who aren't Trump supporters, into Trump supporters. Trump isn't Nelson Mandela. It will inflame his remaining rabid fanbase, but they weren't leaving anyhow.
2) there is no evidence that this will help Trump, because nothing like this has ever happened before. Trump being such a wanted criminal is something 44 Presidents have not done.

And as I've said recently, it's easy for a politician to say stuff. Lots of Republicans are saying "being indicted will be good for Trump" but few of them are saying "and I have decided to help him with all my power". Again, Jordan wants answers from Bragg but the answers will be "I'm arresting him because he's a criminal and I have proof". Greene, or as a reminder to tehdang and GreenJesus it's Speaker Greene, mainstream viewpoint of the party, is likely going to organize some kind of jailhouse visit and will give a speech while doing so, but she can't spring Trump either.

In a semi-related note, DWAC stock price rose yesterday...but from $12.40, where it plunged March 14 and stayed there for three days. That's the lowest it's been basically ever. Not only is Trump likely going to have other problems, and not only is the merger still under investigation, but Trump is now firing people.

Trump Media & Technology Group, Truth Social’s parent company, laid off about half a dozen people, including senior members of its ranks, such as Chief Technology Officer William “BJ” Lawson, according to the people, who asked not to be identified because the information is private. Lawson was the third person to hold the role at the company. Some close to Trump Media estimate it can fund operations through September at present spending levels, according to the people.

CyberTrump 2077 might see an influx of people returning to the platform, we've seen that kind of boost before around Nov 7, 2022. But that lasted a month.

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Didn't his ridiculous NFTs "Trading Cards" sell out pretty quickly?

He sold his dignity for $5.6 million, yes, and we have no idea how many he bought himself. It represents a drain on his most devout cultists of a finite resource that cannot be donated a second time. It is just straight-up cash, tho, not a PAC donation with rules.

(remembers what the charges are for)

Loose rules.

[Elder Millennial]

Didn't his ridiculous NFTs "Trading Cards" sell out pretty quickly? If fleecing the gullible wasn't easy, televangelists would be out of a job. And none of them have access to the sort of marketing that Trump enjoys.

There's a reason why there's an overlap between the audience of televangelists and Trump.