Do triple A companies intimidate or pressure journalists for good reviews?

[HansOlo]

Based on... nothing.

Based on social constructionism. What's how you become a professor in religion, without necessarily presenting the picture of God.

That may trigger people who asks for a source all the time - who really don't do anything to prove the opposite either.

[Atrea]

Based on social constructionism.

What are you even talking about, dude?

"Social constructionism is a theory of knowledge that holds that characteristics typically thought to be immutable and solely biological—such as gender, race, class, ability, and sexuality—are products of human definition and interpretation shaped by cultural and historical contexts"

What on Earth does that have to do with what you're talking about here? You're just throwing out words you clearly don't understand the meaning of, in what seems like a desperate attempt to save face.

[HansOlo]

What are you even talking about, dude?

"Social constructionism is a theory of knowledge that holds that characteristics typically thought to be immutable and solely biological—such as gender, race, class, ability, and sexuality—are products of human definition and interpretation shaped by cultural and historical contexts"

What on Earth does that have to do with what you're talking about here? You're just throwing out words you clearly don't understand the meaning of, in what seems like a desperate attempt to save face.

That's out of context.

"Social constructionism insists that we take a critical stance toward our taken-for-granted ways of understanding the world (including ourselves). It invites us to be critical of the idea that our observations of the world unproblematically yield its nature to us, to challenge the view that conventional knowledge is based on objective, unbiased observation of the world."

https://www.allbusiness.com/managers...3872115-1.html

And that's why I challenge the entire industry and not Edge. And yes - this is the realm of tinfoil material. I'll admit that.

[Relapses]

That's out of context.

"Social constructionism insists that we take a critical stance toward our taken-for-granted ways of understanding the world (including ourselves). It invites us to be critical of the idea that our observations of the world unproblematically yield its nature to us, to challenge the view that conventional knowledge is based on objective, unbiased observation of the world."

https://www.allbusiness.com/managers...3872115-1.html

And that's why I challenge the entire industry and not Edge. And yes - this is the realm of tinfoil material. I'll admit that.

One guy on a message board for a video game where we slay internet dragons for imaginary loot versus an entire industry of paid professionals who stand to lose their entire livelihood if even a fraction of the accusations held any merit whatsoever.

I guess keep fighting the good fight, my guy. But you look ridiculous.

[HansOlo]

One guy on a message board for a video game where we slay internet dragons for imaginary loot versus an entire industry of paid professionals who stand to lose their entire livelihood if even a fraction of the accusations held any merit whatsoever.

I guess keep fighting the good fight, my guy. But you look ridiculous.

What's the alternative - that we start some link fight? It's not going to change anything anyway.

I wanted defend myself - because I get accused for being wrong, without any proof.

[Edge-]

What's the alternative - that we start some link fight? It's not going to change anything anyway.

I wanted defend myself - because I get accused for being wrong, without any proof.

The alternative is that you're simply wrong, which is the actual case here. Sometimes you're just wrong and that's fine, it's not an insult or an attack on you to be wrong. I'm wrong about plenty of stuff and while it's not "fun", they're all learning moments.

[HansOlo]

The alternative is that you're simply wrong, which is the actual case here. Sometimes you're just wrong and that's fine, it's not an insult or an attack on you to be wrong. I'm wrong about plenty of stuff and while it's not "fun", they're all learning moments.

I said that the industry holds power over the journalists. And you disagreed.

Im not wrong, just because you disagree with me. I don't discredit your background either. It's you who makes it personal.

But I also have my own background. That is why I don't talk about journalism and it's technicalities - but the business aspect.

[neik]

umm, my man, r/conspiracy is thataway -------->

Like, seriously, this is why you shouldn't post when high.

Cancel away.. (as infraction received for my post you quoted proves that people gets triggered for opposing views for no reason). This isn't a criminal court case, nor it's a scientific presentation. To deny it's existence is to deny that interested party/investor/you/me couldn't do it by themselves.

Anyone can do it since nobody can audit what you do in private.

[HansOlo]

According to Reporters Without Border - only 8 countries holds a relative good standard. More than half of european countries are supressed one way or other and some to a severe degree.

US and many european countries can be compared to Nambia and South Africa.
https://rsf.org/en/index

This doens't have some sort of cultural or social implication in the gaming industry? I really have hard time believing that.

[Edge-]

This doens't have some sort of cultural or social implication in the gaming industry? I really have hard time believing that.

No, it doesn't. The kind of reporting that is focused on - actual news coverage of events from actual reporters writing for actual news outlets and breaking stories of actual real-world significance - is radically different than what games "journalism" is. There are only a handful of actual trained journalists in the gaming industry, and only a few more than can do that kind of actual work. The vast majority of writing is essentially blogging.

Nobody at IGN is worrying about being jailed because they wrote an extensive report on E3 shaping up to be a shitshow. Jason Schreier isn't looking over his shoulder all the time to see if EA is having folks tail him home because of the deep dive pieces he did on Anthem and Mass Effect: Andromeda.

This is what I'm getting at: Your foundational starting point here is completely off-base. Games journalism isn't the same thing as Woodward and Bernstein meeting with Deepthroat in a shady parking lot and breaking the Watergate story.

[Fencers]

...

You don't know what you're talking about at all.

Total ignorance of the industry and business.

[Ghost of Cow]

I think the big disconnect here is that the "insiders" are trying to present that gaming is somehow the ONE place on Earth that money somehow has absolutely no influence, so of course people are kinda tilting their heads a bit at it.

If there was any hint at a middle ground at all, the people in question might buy it, but this whole, "Nope, never has happened, never will, could never, it's the one single, solitary, pure industry in human history." act isn't believable either.

[HansOlo]

No, it doesn't. The kind of reporting that is focused on - actual news coverage of events from actual reporters writing for actual news outlets and breaking stories of actual real-world significance - is radically different than what games "journalism" is. There are only a handful of actual trained journalists in the gaming industry, and only a few more than can do that kind of actual work. The vast majority of writing is essentially blogging.

Nobody at IGN is worrying about being jailed because they wrote an extensive report on E3 shaping up to be a shitshow. Jason Schreier isn't looking over his shoulder all the time to see if EA is having folks tail him home because of the deep dive pieces he did on Anthem and Mass Effect: Andromeda.

This is what I'm getting at: Your foundational starting point here is completely off-base. Games journalism isn't the same thing as Woodward and Bernstein meeting with Deepthroat in a shady parking lot and breaking the Watergate story.

Why does it matter what my foundational starting point is? We are here to discuss, not to lecture. You don't have to watch the sausage being made.

It's very hard for me to discuss with you. You have this black/white approach.

You are implictly saying that the "real" news are more "important". Gaming "journalism" is just blogging. That answer is subjective - we can all tell.

But I still wonder, if this has cultural or social implication in the industry? Why wouldn't it reach out to the big cooperates and gamestudios - as some powertool? Data clearly shows that the current culture enables suppression.

You really don't say anything, outside what the journalistic content is.

[Dhrizzle]

30 years ago Team 17 (Worms) tried to sue Amiga Power magazine for giving their games too low scores (AP magazine used the whole 100 point scale, so average games would receive a 50% score instead of the standard 70-75%.) When the lawsuit was unsuccessful they stopped sending the magazine review copies and made their sister magazines at Future Publishing sign agreements not to lend copies to them. Amiga Power just went out and bought the games when they were released. Team 17 started putting uncomplimentary Easter eggs in their games about the publication.

[HansOlo]

30 years ago Team 17 (Worms) tried to sue Amiga Power magazine for giving their games too low scores (AP magazine used the whole 100 point scale, so average games would receive a 50% score instead of the standard 70-75%.) When the lawsuit was unsuccessful they stopped sending the magazine review copies and made their sister magazines at Future Publishing sign agreements not to lend copies to them. Amiga Power just went out and bought the games when they were released. Team 17 started putting uncomplimentary Easter eggs in their games about the publication.

And we are here - thinking that we evolved from this culture, into entities in perfect order.

Meanwhile, the industry gotten bigger than anything else.

[Stickiler]

And we are here - thinking that we evolved from this culture, into entities in perfect order.

Meanwhile, the industry gotten bigger than anything else.

What happened with Team 17 shows that Publishers/Developers can't do shit to publications, even if they WANTED to.

[HansOlo]

What happened with Team 17 shows that Publishers/Developers can't do shit to publications, even if they WANTED to.

If you still live in 1997.

You know how big the industry is today in comparision? Ranging from Twitch and Google appreance, to hardware producers and to institutions. Power and greed is proportional across the entire supply chain - and bad publications will affect thier capacity of the market share.

But that's my own doomsday reality.

[Surfd]

Cancel away.. (as infraction received for my post you quoted proves that people gets triggered for opposing views for no reason). This isn't a criminal court case, nor it's a scientific presentation. To deny it's existence is to deny that interested party/investor/you/me couldn't do it by themselves.

Anyone can do it since nobody can audit what you do in private.

8 hours later and still apparently high as hell. That must be some really good shit man.

Honestly though, wtf are you even talking about? This is a thread about games journalism. Not exactly sure what you imagine Alphabet Soup agency Deep Cover agent provocateurs have to do with such......

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You are implictly saying that the "real" news are more "important". Gaming "journalism" is just blogging. That answer is subjective - we can all tell.

But I still wonder, if this has cultural or social implication in the industry? Why wouldn't it reach out to the big cooperates and gamestudios - as some powertool? Data clearly shows that the current culture enables suppression.

"Oppressive Totalitarian Government Regimes exist and actively work to suppress legitimate Journalistic efforts to expose their many terrible actions, therefore Blizzard must totally be strongarming and gaming magazines and internet influencers like Total Biscuit with payola-for-good-reviews-or-we-blacklist-you threats" is an absolutely atomic level hot take I completely did not see this thread producing.

Thanks for that, I haven't had a laugh this good in days......

Like, the fact that you actually, 100% straight faced seriously asked if Pro-Journalists doing serious pieces on dangerous Governments that could potentially result in their arrest and death are "implicitly" more "important" than games rag reviews on the latest looter shooter is absolutely fucking mindboggling...... Yes. 100000% yes they are more important. Implicitly.

[Calfredd]

Cancel away.. (as infraction received for my post you quoted proves that people gets triggered for opposing views for no reason). This isn't a criminal court case, nor it's a scientific presentation. To deny it's existence is to deny that interested party/investor/you/me couldn't do it by themselves.

Anyone can do it since nobody can audit what you do in private.

You getting infracted doesn't make you any more right than if I called you an idiot and got infracted. so again, as Surfd said, r/conspiracy is that way ---->

[unfilteredJW]

Cancel away.. (as infraction received for my post you quoted proves that people gets triggered for opposing views for no reason). This isn't a criminal court case, nor it's a scientific presentation. To deny it's existence is to deny that interested party/investor/you/me couldn't do it by themselves.

Anyone can do it since nobody can audit what you do in private.

You don't even understand what cancel means and you want people to take you seriously.