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    L.A. riders bail on Metro trains amid ‘horror’ of deadly drug overdoses, crime

    Matthew Morales boarded the Metro Red Line at MacArthur Park as classical music blared over the station loudspeakers.

    It was rush hour on a Tuesday afternoon, and Morales made his way to a back corner seat and unfolded a tiny piece of foil with several blue shards of fentanyl. As the train started west, he heated the aluminum with a lighter and sucked in the smoke through a pipe fashioned from a ballpoint pen.

    Doors opened and closed. A few passengers filed in and out. A grain of the opioid fell to the floor. He concentrated on trying to pick it up, then lost track, as his body went limp. His shoulders slumped and he slowly keeled forward.

    By the time the train arrived at the Wilshire/Western station, Morales, 29, was doubled over and near motionless, his hand on the floor. The train operator walked out of the cabin, barely glancing at him as she passed — as if she encountered such scenes all the time.

    Drug use is rampant in the Metro system. Since January, 22 people have died on Metro buses and trains, mostly from suspected overdoses — more people than all of 2022. Serious crimes — such as robbery, rape and aggravated assault — soared 24% last year compared with the previous.

    “Horror.” That’s how one train operator recently described the scenes he sees daily. He declined to use his name because he was not authorized to talk to the media.

    Earlier that day, as he drove the Red Line subway, he saw a man masturbating in his seat and several people whom he refers to as “sleepers,” people who get high and nod off on the train.

    “We don’t even see any businesspeople anymore. We don’t see anybody going to Universal. It’s just people who have no other choice [than] to ride the system, homeless people and drug users.”

    Commuters have abandoned large swaths of the Metro train system. Even before the pandemic, ridership in the region was never as high as other big-city rail systems. For January, ridership on the Gold Line was 30% of the pre-pandemic levels, and the Red Line was 56% of them. The new $2.1-billion Crenshaw Line that officials tout as a bright spot with little crime had fewer than 2,100 average weekday boardings that month.

    Few stations compare with MacArthur Park/Westlake. The station sits next to an open-air drug market that’s existed in this dense immigrant neighborhood for decades. About 22,000 people board the trains here daily.

    The Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority reported that between November and January there were 26 medical emergencies at the station, the majority of them suspected drug overdoses. Last year, there were six deaths and one shooting, nearly all related to suspected drug activity. Earlier this year, a 28-year-old man was fatally stabbed in a breezeway of the station.

    Maintenance crews are often called out for repairs at the station, and when they return to their vehicle they often find it has been burglarized. Gangs control the area and police say many of the informal vendors on the sidewalks are part of the larger drug economy, wittingly or not. Some are forced to pay the gang taxes, others sell stolen property.

    The transit agency’s head of security has said she will be asking the 13-member board — that includes Mayor Karen Bass and the county supervisors — to expand the agency’s force of nearly 200 in-house transit officers, some of whom are armed and enforce fare evasion and code of conduct violations. And the board will soon decide whether to continue contracts with the Los Angeles Police Department, the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department and the Long Beach Police Department, or come up with another way to secure the system.

    Some board members and social justice advocates have argued for less policing on the system, saying that racial profiling targets many passengers.

    “What will harassment and jailing people who use drugs do to address drug use rates?” said Alison Vu, a spokesperson for the Alliance for Community Transit-LA, a social justice advocacy coalition that wants the agency to eliminate contracts with law enforcement. “We’ve poured so much money into policing, without any measurable impact on care or safety for transit riders.”

    In response to such concerns, transit officials committed $122 million over the last year trying to make the system — composed of 105 rail stations and more than 12,000 bus stops — feel safer by placing 300 unarmed “ambassadors” to report crimes and help passengers. It’s part of what officials like to tout as a “multilayered” approach to improving a system that’s become emptier and more dangerous over recent years — even as billions have been sunk into expansion of the rail lines.

    “I do think there’s something about the culture of the riding public, that if they know there’s someone who is empowered to report [illegal activity] that may be a deterrent to the activity itself,” said Metro Chief Executive Stephanie Wiggins.

    Wiggins touted the rollout of the ambassador program to the news media on March 6. Followed by a phalanx of ambassadors, she boarded a Gold Line train from downtown Union Station to Heritage Square in Montecito Heights to show how what she and others call the “eyes and ears” of the system will work.

    As Wiggins talked to reporters, a man in the next car was packing marijuana into a cigar wrapper. The ambassadors didn’t discourage the man as he threw tobacco on the floor to make room for the weed.

    Melissa Saenz, one of several newly minted ambassadors on the train, leaned over to tell a reporter that in instances such as this she would “report it” to law enforcement. “We are here to make a change.”

    But even law enforcement said they can only do so much.

    During the final three months of last year, LAPD arrested 49 people on the Red Line for drug-related offenses. As of mid-February, only one of those arrests resulted in a criminal filing, said LAPD Deputy Chief Donald Graham, who oversees the department’s Transit Bureau.

    Many drug possession charges in California are misdemeanors or are considered lower-level offenses. And as such, the cases are often a low priority. Evidence often sits in a crime lab for months.

    The Los Angeles County Department of Public Health reported deaths linked to fentanyl rose from 109 in 2016 to 1,504 in 2021, amounting to a 1,280% increase. First responders now often carry Narcan, an opiate reversal, and they need it on the Metro.

    The deaths from fentanyl and fentanyl-laced methamphetamine occur across the system. There were nine confirmed overdoses at rail stations last year, all men. But those figures will probably rise as the coroner’s office closes more cases.

    There was Oscar Velasquez, 23, who died at the downtown Santa Monica station; Trivonne Vonner, 35, found at the Firestone station in an unincorporated area of South Los Angeles; and Ervin Siles Gutierrez was pronounced dead at the Vermont and Santa Monica station in East Hollywood.

    “There’s so many ‘sleepers,’ ” the train driver said. “Nobody notices that the guy quit breathing until they’re blue. And then by that time, it’s too late.”

    Fentanyl is a synthetic opioid drug that is 50 times more potent than heroin and cheap. A single dose can be bought for about $5. But it’s extremely addictive, in part because of the withdrawal it provokes — jitters, diarrhea, extreme anxiousness and nausea.

    “It’s like the worst flu you’ve ever had in your entire life. And it just gets worse over time,” said Susan Partovi, a doctor who treats users on skid row. “That has become most of the people’s main motivation — to continue opiate use is to avoid withdrawal symptoms.”

    She said overdose prevention sites, where people who are addicted could ingest drugs safely and without shame, could prevent such public nuisances as people doing drugs in elevators or on trains.

    Gov. Gavin Newsom vetoed legislation last year to begin a pilot program of these consumption sites in Los Angeles, San Francisco and Oakland. In his veto message, he said he was open to discussion on limited sites, but he said without a strong plan the legislation could have induced a “world of unintended consequences.”

    The “sleepers” were at Union Station one recent weekday afternoon as a petite woman, who spoke little English, looked for the train to the Expo Line.

    She walked into a train car that was empty but for three passed-out passengers. She looked at them and walked back out. Unsure what to do next, she stood looking confused on the platform. An ambassador came up to ask if she needed help.

    “Expo,” she said.

    She was on the right train, he said. But she shook her head, she didn’t want to return to the cars. So he walked her into another car and stayed with her. The doors closed.

    People waited for hours to board the train when it opened in 1993. The MacArthur Park/Westlake station was the original Western terminus of Los Angeles’ first subway, with a plaza that looks out to the park.

    On a recent Tuesday afternoon, used needles and human feces littered the station’s parking lot. Just around the corner near Alvarado Street, a man smoked from a glass pipe as a steady stream of people walked by.

    Drug users and homeless people hang around the edges of the plaza and have breached locked areas in the station, creating a danger for riders and staff.

    “It’s the most challenging [station] relative to drug use,” said Conan Cheung, Metro head of operations. “People are loitering there on the plaza and it is spilling into the ancillary areas, which makes it even more of an emergency.”

    The smaller entrance is now closed off by fencing, as are large swaths inside the battered station. Transit officials recently beefed up security and the presence of ambassadors there. But they have also been trying to design away the problem by reducing the open floor space, pressure washing floors and piping in classical music to keep people from loitering. Metro is looking at replacing the wide benches on the platform, regulating vendors and blocking off parts of the plaza.

    Metro board member and Supervisor Hilda Solis asked the agency to consider another approach, and come up with a plan that will make the station and plaza more inviting to the community at large. She’s asked the agency to look at “care-centered strategies” including a vending program, health and crisis support services, cultural programming, public art, bathrooms and shade structures.

    LAPD foot patrols were inside and outside the MacArthur Park/Westlake station when a Times reporter and photographer visited on a recent Tuesday.

    “Most people come here to buy drugs and then they do them on the train,” said Jerry Settlemire, who emerged from the platform with his wife, Michelle.

    But the changes barely registered with the couple. The two said they had recently been released from the county jail and came to cop “fetty,” as fentanyl is known on the streets.

    After talking for a few moments, a jittery Michelle Settlemire began looking around.

    “I’m ready to get high,” she said.

    They walked away from the station to buy drugs.

    Before Morales boarded the train to smoke his drugs, he was outside the station plaza in a brisk breeze as people whizzed by. Women held their children’s hands. Others talked on phones. Then there were those with drawn faces who looked as though they hadn’t slept in days. Many were thin and some, like Morales, had bloody marks on their faces or limbs. He didn’t sleep the day before but seemed happy to talk.

    “The dealers recognize me and I recognize them,” Morales said.

    He had his fetty in his pocket and was looking for other smokers to hang out with on the train, where there was no wind. He took the elevator down to the platform. Many drug users like the station elevators because some can be locked, giving them time to smoke in there.

    Morales’ face lighted up when he found a marijuana bud on the elevator floor, put it in his pocket for later, and jumped on the train.

    When he got off at the same station just 20 minutes later, he could barely stand. The puffy yellow jacket he had worn earlier fell to the floor along with a plastic baggie with his drugs. He leaned toward the edge of the platform, edging dangerously close to the tracks.

    A.J. Jackson, 35, guided Morales back from the precipice. He had just smoked some fentanyl himself, using the subterranean station like Morales used the train, as refuge from wind that might blow a precious grain of dope away.

    Addicts converge in these spaces, in part because they know people like them will be there.

    “We all have something in common,” Jackson said. “There’s a camaraderie, everyone has a story. We look out for each other.”

    He had worked as a security guard and had a home, and was now living on the streets. He showed a picture of him hiking with his 5-year-old daughter, but he wasn’t ready to quit drugs.

    A few Los Angeles police officers descended onto the platform. One flashed a light on Jackson’s backpack, telling him he couldn’t stay here if he wasn’t riding the train.

    He got up to leave and Morales staggered behind him.

    A Metro worker cleaning the station said she sees this all the time. She was recently assaulted when taking the subway from Union Station. A woman pulled her off the seat by her hair.

    “I don’t feel sorry for them,” she said.
    https://www.latimes.com/california/s...n-metro-trains

    Its wild I visited LA in 2018 and it wasnt this bad. The defund the police movement got its goals over the pandemic years IG cuz drug addicts are free to shoot up in public transportation

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    https://www.latimes.com/california/s...n-metro-trains

    Its wild I visited LA in 2018 and it wasnt this bad. The defund the police movement got its goals over the pandemic years IG cuz drug addicts are free to shoot up in public transportation

    Why are you lying?
    Liar.

    The LAPD wasn't defunded. On the contrary. One average it's been receiving yearly budget increases between 85 to 215 million every year since 2020.

    It's current budget is nearly 2 billion dollars. The 2nd largest expenditure for the city after pensions.

    And that's just the LAPD. The Sheriff's office of LA county has an additional 3.8 billion. Then there's state police etc.

    The problems with law enforcement in LA have vastly more to do with the literal unwillingness of law enforcement to do their jobs, with the police gangs combined with the homelessness epidemic than anything.

    Perhaps if LA actually defunded the police and addressed the problems around drugs and homelessness as what they are, public health problems, instead of law enforcement problems, it would have managed to curb this issue.

    This "blame defund the police" thing is the dumbest lie you can push, it's so easy to debunk. All you need to do is type "LAPD funding" into the Google machine and the first thing it throws it you is a list of yearly budget increases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    The defund the police movement got its goals over the pandemic years
    Was that before or after entire cities were burnt to the ground in the Floyd protests? You know...another thing that conservative garbage fearmongers about that never fucking happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
    Was that before or after entire cities were burnt to the ground in the Floyd protests? You know...another thing that conservative garbage fearmongers about that never fucking happened.
    Defund police was never a talking point or movement? Gotcha. Good to be grounded in reality, thanks for my daily dose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D3thray View Post
    Defund police was never a talking point or movement? Gotcha. Good to be grounded in reality, thanks for my daily dose.
    More disingenuous horseshit. Shocking.

    Of course it was a "talking point or movement." But something being what people want has nothing to do with what politicians are actually willing to implement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D3thray View Post
    Defund police was never a talking point or movement? Gotcha. Good to be grounded in reality, thanks for my daily dose.
    But fucking explain to me what does a largely unpopular talking point/movement that never had its policy proposals implemented, on the contrary the polar opposite happened, has to do with the self evident failure of law enforcement?

    Like ok, some people said defund the police, but the LAPDs budget went up by something like a third over the last 3 years.

    What's the fucking connection, please, explain it to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D3thray View Post
    Defund police was never a talking point or movement? Gotcha. Good to be grounded in reality, thanks for my daily dose.
    Its wild to see people pretend that the movement didnt change how cities treat crime particularly drug use and theft

    I dont think its a coincidence that the junkies started doing drugs more shamelessly after the whole movement picked up steam, people are realizing they can do whatever they want and not suffer any serious consequence. Voters get the policies they want

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    Its wild to see people pretend that the movement didnt change how cities treat crime particularly drug use and theft

    I dont think its a coincidence that the junkies started doing drugs more shamelessly after the whole movement picked up steam, people are realizing they can do whatever they want and not suffer any serious consequence. Voters get the policies they want
    But the police have a larger budget now than they did before, talks of “defunding” resulted in no actual changes for them.

    Why aren’t the police, who have more funding than ever, able to stop these crimes now? Why did an increase in police budget not lead to a lowering in crime?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    Its wild to see people pretend that the movement didnt change how cities treat crime particularly drug use and theft

    I dont think its a coincidence that the junkies started doing drugs more shamelessly after the whole movement picked up steam, people are realizing they can do whatever they want and not suffer any serious consequence. Voters get the policies they want
    This is my last reply. The stupidity and dishonesty of your posts is triggering me.

    You are conflating two distinct albeit connected policies, both byproducts of "over policing".

    One is related to law enforcement itself, the other is related to the judicial system.

    The primary focus of "defund the police" was related to not having police respond to things like mental health crises and such, after a long list of them killing people in the middle of a mental health crisis.

    That movement, namely "Defund the police" has been wildly unsuccessful and pretty much every Democrat and Republican for that matter elected since 2016 had been pro police and has increased funding to law enforcement.

    The other aspect is related to judicial reform. This was derived from the recognition that the incarceration rates in the US are absolutely insane and unsustainable. There reform minded politicians on both sides of the isle have seen some success. But in a typically half assed fashion most reforms ended at bail reform and decriminalizing petty crime, but was not followed up by rehabilitation and social services reform that would make this viable.

    Also, are you legitimately fucking saying that a whole bunch of people went - Oh, look! I won't go to jail now, so I'll quit my job and become a homeless junkie!

    Have you considered that perhaps the homelessness and substance abuse problems are rather reflections of deeper systemic social and economic problems?

    Problems like, having 2 full time jobs and still not being able to afford rent?
    Pharmaceutical companies handing out opioids like Skittles for 2 decades?
    Not being able to afford mental health assistance when you lose your job due to mental health problems...assuming you had insurance in the first place and that your insurance would cover you.
    Not being able to get a job because you got a record because you smoked a joint when you were 19.

    You know, these sorts of little problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    But the police have a larger budget now than they did before, talks of “defunding” resulted in no actual changes for them.

    Why aren’t the police, who have more funding than ever, able to stop these crimes now? Why did an increase in police budget not lead to a lowering in crime?
    No you see people dared to question the police and their methods, don't you know police are like Tinkerbell if you don't believe in them and clap your hands it doesn't matter how much money they have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    But the police have a larger budget now than they did before, talks of “defunding” resulted in no actual changes for them.

    Why aren’t the police, who have more funding than ever, able to stop these crimes now? Why did an increase in police budget not lead to a lowering in crime?
    The article used the magic scare-word ... Fentanyl!

    Everyone knows now if you just whisper the word Fentanyl, every cop within 3 city blocks falls unconcious and starts twiching. They're helpless against it. It's a ticket to early retirement.

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    Police budget has gone up, how has defund the police got its goals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    Police budget has gone up, how has defund the police got its goals?
    Problem was, our Maoists couldnt even define what Defund meant.

    Probably because it's not even in the Maoist dictionary... except that one time Mao famously said Defund the Five Black Categories! 黑*类

    /joke
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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    I dont think its a coincidence that the junkies started doing drugs more shamelessly after the whole movement picked up steam, people are realizing they can do whatever they want and not suffer any serious consequence. Voters get the policies they want
    So you think defund the police not the pandemic with the isolation, depression and increase of domestic abuse is the reason for an increase in drug use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    https://www.latimes.com/california/s...n-metro-trains

    Its wild I visited LA in 2018 and it wasnt this bad. The defund the police movement got its goals over the pandemic years IG cuz drug addicts are free to shoot up in public transportation
    I would lay the fault more with permissive attitudes towards drug use in law and enforcement than the lingering effects of defund the police. The police already made homeless issues and drug issues low-priority, and who can really blame them much when dismantled encampments and drug use/sales sites reappear in weeks if not days. The ill effects on public transit are just the side effect of an actually popularly-held position. "Drug users and homeless people hang around the edges of the plaza and have breached locked areas in the station, creating a danger for riders and staff" meets "Well, where do you want them to go?"--compassionate instincts. And the people most empathetic towards train drug use and public area homeless encampments simultaneously stop low-income housing and fail to notice how anti-homelessness spending is spent.

    All this isn't to say that the problem will indefinitely grow worse and popular opinion won't change. Last year's LA Mayor race was more closely contested from concerns about street homelessness and public safety.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    So you think defund the police not the pandemic with the isolation, depression and increase of domestic abuse is the reason for an increase in drug use?
    Nah. Its not a matter of drug use but where ppl do drugs. Seeing junkies and smelling fentanyl is kinda bad o_0

    Throw them in jail or the street rather than let them shoot up in public transportation. The bigger issue of drug addiction is kinda separate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    Problem was, our Maoists couldnt even define what Defund meant.

    Probably because it's not even in the Maoist dictionary... except that one time Mao famously said Defund the Five Black Categories! 黑*类

    /joke
    that was a pretty fringe joke 10/10

    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    Nah. Its not a matter of drug use but where ppl do drugs. Seeing junkies and smelling fentanyl is kinda bad o_0

    Throw them in jail or the street rather than let them shoot up in public transportation. The bigger issue of drug addiction is kinda separate
    Isnt the whole point of defund the police to take away some of the police budget and give them to social programs to stop drug addiction?

    the police can only react if a crime happens the whole point is that if you spend cash on programs to stop addiction/anti social behavior in the first place things like this wouldn't happen by attacking the route cause.

    and isnt the other problem with cops in LA (much like new york) that they dont bother with enforcement and sit in their patrol cars rinsing the budget by making 6 figures on overtime for work they never do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    Nah. Its not a matter of drug use but where ppl do drugs. Seeing junkies and smelling fentanyl is kinda bad o_0

    Throw them in jail or the street rather than let them shoot up in public transportation. The bigger issue of drug addiction is kinda separate
    But the reason you are seeing more junkies is directly result of more people being on drugs. The reason you are seeing less ridership in all cities not just LA is because the pandemic has changed cities forever since work from home is now a permanent factor so a lot of businesses no longer reside in the city or only operate there half the time. The cities are no longer what they are so a lot of empty real estate is going around attracting the homeless.

    I don't know, have you been in a coma this entire time? I mean you should have lived it COVID-19 has changed the world. From how people live to how people work it's all up in the air at the moment. The whole defund the police movement was an absolute failure, police budgets are at an all time high. The only reason we are more lenient towards drugs is because it's no longer considered a policing issues now that white suburbs are infested with drug use not just the "ghettos". Drugs have also proven lucrative and a great source of income for cities who are starved for funds due to COVID.

    Your entire premise can only make sense if you have been in a coma all this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    Your entire premise can only make sense if you have been in a coma all this time.
    The argument from Ned, Dang and the other nitwit is literally "If you don't give ALL THE MONEY to the police and send everyone to jail for having mental health and substance abuse problems then people will quit their jobs, leave their families and become homeless junkies. Because being a homeless junkie is so much fun."

    It is that fucking retarded.

    It's the same basic argument as "If a Big Sky Daddy doesn't tell people not to rape and murder, everyone would just start raping and murdering".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elder Millennial View Post
    The argument from Ned, Dang and the other nitwit is literally "If you don't give ALL THE MONEY to the police and send everyone to jail for having mental health and substance abuse problems then people will quit their jobs, leave their families and become homeless junkies. Because being a homeless junkie is so much fun."

    It is that fucking retarded.

    It's the same basic argument as "If a Big Sky Daddy doesn't tell people not to rape and murder, everyone would just start raping and murdering".
    They're a shadow of their former selves. Back in the glory days of OFF TOPIC, supertony, vixyn, and hubcap would start a "Portland/Seatle-are-crumbling" threads twice a month.

    Thankfully, liberals now have tons of practice of rebutting these threads, and rebuilding our coastal cities over a 3-day thwarting.
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