New Star Wars Movies Announced

[Delever]

A Saga where nothing is easy? Luke went from farm boy to Death Star destroyer in like a week and then beat space Jesus up in a couple of years, while Rey may be the worse of it starwars is built on things be impossibly easy.

I agree with some key differences though. Luke was built up to have been a very gifted pilot, hinting that this was something that Skywalkers had in general hence the death star shenanigans. But that was his only thing and within the given context of the movies it was still within the realm of possibility. Facing Darth Vader and beating him took him years of training despite being very gifted in the force. And before that happened, his first duel against Darth Vader cost him a hand and a near death experience. Personally for a classic adventure sci Fi with a main hero protagonist, this is all fine for the development of a character that you know is gonna win in the end anyway.

The shenanigans with rey is on another level. Rey goes from not believing that the force even exists to mind controlling a stormtrooper in the same movie, a technique that is not only insanely advanced and used by very very few Jedi (only obi wan and qui Gon use it in the main series) but also a technique that you somehow have to know it is possible to do before you use it. How can you go from not believing in the force to mind controlling a storm trooper without anyone telling you about this technique in the first place??? Also how is it possible that the first time Rey touches a lightsaber she is able to defeat Kylo in a duel? Before people bring up his injuries it literally should not matter in their first duel. He should have been so far above her at that point that even with a severe injury he should have wiped the floor with her and set up her growth journey into training and becoming more powerful to face him and greater foes. In addition to that, despite not being a Skywalker, she is also an insanely gifted pilot that can pilot an ancient relic of a ship like the millennium falcon as if it was a road scooter.
Rey did not suffer a single impactful defeat in her trilogy nor did she have a single caveat. She was a completely unrelatable character with a very uninteresting journey and while star wars is a lighthearted and easy to watch sci Fi where the hero always wins in the end and has some Mary sue qualities, it was never as bad as to completely alienate the viewers from the protagonist. And this has everything to do with the writing of the character and nothing to do with the actor or anything else for that matter.

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Lol. As opposed to Luke, Leia, or Obi-wan?

They are indeed all Mary Sue characters but not nearly on the same level. Read what I wrote above. All this characters faced multiple life changing stakes that make them more human despite their qualities. Obi wan lost his master, his most gifted and beloved student became the strongest sith in the universe and he saw the republic in which he believed in crumble to dust before he sent himself to self exile.
Leia was captured by Darth Vader and was made to watch as her home planet was blown out of existence.

[Sorshen]

And now some of the sequels because surprise surprise it’s not what they think George Lucas wanted.

Narrator: It's not what he wanted.


I don't hate any trilogy or specific movie, but I'm very disappointed in the direction some things went.

[Gorsameth]

The problem with exploring the origin of something is that you remove the mystery and the viewers imagination.

Instead of deepening or broadening the attraction to the thing you end up ruining it by overexplaining it.
No one thinks the Force got more interesting by introducing Midi-chlorians.
a 'biblical epic' on the origin of the Force is just going to ruin it.


And I wonder if they will actually exercise creative control over this so we don't have subsequent directions actively shitting on the writing of their predecessor. The sequels were not going to be masterpieces but Rian Johnson seemed to actively work to make the trilogy completely fail. Which is really weird for a director in said trilogy.

[saixilein]

I wonder how many o these get canceled lol

[Arlette]

I wonder how many o these get canceled lol

I mean people who connect the quality of the movies to some social movement are going to be mad because regardless of the quality of the films (*Ahems at some people writing essays about why they hate Rey but not Luke*), they make shitloads of money and will never stop being a good source of cash for Disney.

So probably zero unless something really crazy happens.

[Orby]

Toxic fandom, over saturation and the over capitalistic nature of the franchise has totally killed any love I had for Star Wars... Have fun to those that still enjoy it, but like the way a lot of popular geek culture is today, this franchise just dead to me.

Rise of Skywalker was just it for me, after that I was totally out. I was kinda getting put off after the whole Last Jedi discourse that seemed to never end. But man like its such a combination of shit hitting the fan that I really cannot enjoy myself with the franchise.

With the burnout the MCU has given me with all the bundles of shows and movies on the horizon since phase 3 ended, it was too overwhelming and I had to turn the car around. Star Wars seems to be going down (if not already) the same road.

[Hitei]

They are indeed all Mary Sue characters but not nearly on the same level. Read what I wrote above. All this characters faced multiple life changing stakes that make them more human despite their qualities. Obi wan lost his master, his most gifted and beloved student became the strongest sith in the universe and he saw the republic in which he believed in crumble to dust before he sent himself to self exile.
Leia was captured by Darth Vader and was made to watch as her home planet was blown out of existence.

And Rey was "abandoned" as a child and lived her entire life up until the first sequel movie barely scraping by as a junk trader, feeling like she was worthless even after getting involved because until the context of the last movie, she was just some no one who happened to be caught up in stuff way out of her league.

Sure. Luke loses against Vader, the literal ultimate big bad. Because in that trilogy there was a unified "invincible" bad guy to loom over the group

I agree with some key differences though. Luke was built up to have been a very gifted pilot, hinting that this was something that Skywalkers had in general hence the death star shenanigans. But that was his only thing and within the given context of the movies it was still within the realm of possibility. Facing Darth Vader and beating him took him years of training despite being very gifted in the force. And before that happened, his first duel against Darth Vader cost him a hand and a near death experience. Personally for a classic adventure sci Fi with a main hero protagonist, this is all fine for the development of a character that you know is gonna win in the end anyway.

Luke wasn't built up to be a gifted pilot at all. He just randomly was one out of sheer contrived Gary Stu power. The kid is the 'son' of a moisture farmer on a back end planet where his only exposure to technology is owning and driving around in a speeder, and his first turn in an actual spaceship is the Falcon and by the end of the movie he's making the experienced soldiers who have flown combat mission for the Rebels look like idiots because apparently he's so innately gifted at flying things that hitting a small target with torpedos in an X-wing flying through zero G is IN ANY WAY comparable to him having sometimes shot wild animals while driving around in a speeder back on Tatooine. Nor was this the "only thing". He faces Darth Vader TWICE and is a match on the second fight. I don't know what "years" of training you're misremembering, but he has almost no training at all. The guy had one lesson of Force training from Ben, and then a small amount of Force training from Yoda, and then abandoned training to go try and save the others. When he comes back, a year later, Yoda is on his deathbed.

The guy had a grand total of maybe a couple weeks of training after having grown up a farmer kid with no fighting experience, and then fought down Darth Vader. I would like you to let that sink in. The guy beats vader in maybe his third fight.

The shenanigans with rey is on another level. Rey goes from not believing that the force even exists to mind controlling a stormtrooper in the same movie, a technique that is not only insanely advanced and used by very very few Jedi (only obi wan and qui Gon use it in the main series) but also a technique that you somehow have to know it is possible to do before you use it. How can you go from not believing in the force to mind controlling a storm trooper without anyone telling you about this technique in the first place??? Also how is it possible that the first time Rey touches a lightsaber she is able to defeat Kylo in a duel? Before people bring up his injuries it literally should not matter in their first duel. He should have been so far above her at that point that even with a severe injury he should have wiped the floor with her and set up her growth journey into training and becoming more powerful to face him and greater foes. In addition to that, despite not being a Skywalker, she is also an insanely gifted pilot that can pilot an ancient relic of a ship like the millennium falcon as if it was a road scooter.
Rey did not suffer a single impactful defeat in her trilogy nor did she have a single caveat. She was a completely unrelatable character with a very uninteresting journey and while star wars is a lighthearted and easy to watch sci Fi where the hero always wins in the end and has some Mary sue qualities, it was never as bad as to completely alienate the viewers from the protagonist. And this has everything to do with the writing of the character and nothing to do with the actor or anything else for that matter.

Rey goes from not believing the force exists to managing to mind control an already mind-wiped and reconditioned person in the same movie. Since you seem to have forgotten Luke, the person who again ABANDONED HIS TRAINING after a couple weeks in which he accomplishes or understands little, is able to casually force choke out two guards at Jabba's palace into falling asleep AND mind controls Bib Fortuna into letting him see Jabba in Return of the Jedi. It's very much not a "only really super master Jedi!" thing. And even if it were, Luke is still more magically talented out of nowhere.

Rey can handle herself in the lightsaber duel because unlike Luke, she's not a farmer's son. She's shown in the initial scene where she meets Finn as being a capable fighter. She's not new to melee combat. She's grown up in a rough place and had to watch her own back, that's why she carries around a weapon--that she clearly has experience with. Again, Luke is the Gary Stu here. Rey's skills are born from a life of survival. You'll note that she couldn't handle him one on one until she just completely surrenders to the force-backed instinct and then is able to get the upper hand.

Rey is a good pilot. Do you know why she is especially good in that particular Falcon scene? She knows the Falcon and their route. She's been spending years walking past the falcon, knows what sort of ship it is. Her entire life has been spent getting to know ships because she's survived by scavenging from them and stripping them down for parts. She knows them inside and out, which is also why she knows exactly what to expect when they are flying away--it's not a blind flight: She's flying through the wrecked starship remains that she's spent her whole life climbing around in for scraps. She doesn't have to rely on wild talent because the whole course is memorize, she's in home territory, she's flying down a corridor she's gone down probably hundreds of times.

It's a shit ton less of a wild stretch than Luke's apparently innate ability to fly an X-wing better than any other trained pliot in the Alliance despite theoretically have no experience with anything besides a glorified car.

Rey's no more of a mary sue than any of them are. If anything she's significantly more flawed and nuanced than most of the characters from the original trilogy. She has serious anger problems, she's impulsive and impetuous. Unlike Luke, whose doubt and lack of confidence last 30 minutes before he's lecturing Han about how the force is real and they're gonna go save everyone and stop the empire, Rey doubts herself the entire trilogy even after coming to the understanding that she's gifted in the force. She tries too hard to be self-reliant even amongst people she arguably trusts.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Narrator: It's not what he wanted.


I don't hate any trilogy or specific movie, but I'm very disappointed in the direction some things went.

That’s fine and cool. Nothing wrong with legitimate criticism, constructive or otherwise.

However when people cross the line to the point they start campaigning to obnoxious demand for remakes or this and that. Then it’s nothing but obnoxious bullying.

[Alithia]

I think they have learned from their mistakes:

-a movie way before the Old Republic. I expect a full wat Jedi vs Sith.

-a movie in the Filloniverse with Manda, Boba, Ahsoka, Finn, Gideon, Grogu.

.a movie in the future. I hate Last Jedi more than all of you combined, but SW has to move forward now and I will give Rey her final, last chance. Just make the Sith return and have a cool villain.

BTW, I know they are somebody else, but the two new Dark Jedi from Ahsoka give me a Darth Bane/Darth Xannah vibe. Now we just ned a version of Darth Talon.

[Ealyssa]

Just leave it to die in peace.

Yeah sure, Disney spent 4 billion for Star Wars to let it die…

They will still make them when all of us are dead.

[Asrialol]

I like the new Star Wars stuff. Will never understand peoples obsession with the original episode 4,5 and 6. The acting in those movies is so bad it's a borderline parody. Incest plot. Horrible effects. Weird editing. Etc.

At least the new movies look good, even if the writing / story is mediocre (though still miles ahead of the original garbage).

[PACOX]

I like the new Star Wars stuff. Will never understand peoples obsession with the original episode 4,5 and 6. The acting in those movies is so bad it's a borderline parody. Incest plot. Horrible effects. Weird editing. Etc.

At least the new movies look good, even if the writing / story is mediocre (though still miles ahead of the original garbage).

Thank you.

I like the OT, but to say there were full of good acting is insane. The PT movies are even worse offenders. The OT and PT stood on the world built around them, the grand spectacle. I think the Rise of Skywalker is a technically bad movie, but TFA and TLJ at least look great hand have the foundation of passable movies even if someone might not like the plot/writing.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Which as you see saw a massive decline from movie to movie with the last movie of the trilogy grossing half the money the first one did.
In what universe does the conclusion of what should have been an epic trilogy makes less money than the first film? That's like endgame making less than the first avengers film.

They all still brought in way more money than they cost to make and market. That's why they are going to continue to make more. When Star Wars ceases to be profitable... hat's when they'll stop making Star Wars projects.

As much as people bitch and moan about Disney Star Wars...the only one that bombed was Solo.

[Heathy]

kotor 2 is still the best thing starwars. why ?

this is why:-



I'm still waiting for someone to come along and make an actual compelling story like this but I don't think Disney ever will. none of the starwars content has managed to reach this level of story telling, it just meanders around the same things without actually moving the story forward at all. honestly if kotor 1 and 2 were the only thing that existed for star wars that would be enough for me.

I don't want Disney to touch the Kotor stories even if a live action version of kotor would be great, I don't trust them to do it justice, that they exist as they are is enough for me the last thing it needs is to be injected with wokeness and have the story altered to fit some sort of agenda.. all of these recent star wars content has the depth of a thimble.

[Twdft]

Fandom toxicity was over the top when it came to the prequels thought which were not great but also not awful.

IMO the toxic "fandom" just can't let go of their childhood. Star Wars ultimately is a kids show, everyone was introduced into the galaxy far far away as a child and looking through the eyes of a ten year old all the movies are amazing. But we grow up and we want Star Wars to stay as magical as we remember it. We grow up and some of us don't realize that it's still a show for children and expect things from Star Wars it can't deliver and they become toxic.

The thing that should happen is for Disney to make another show/movie like Andor aimed at a more adult audience. Let Star Wars go down two roads, G/TV-Y and M/TV-14.

[La]

I never thought I'd go from wishing I'd see KOTOR in live action to hoping I never see it, but if the people at Disney could avoid butchering such an amazing story and characters it would be greatly appreciated

[loras]

Somehow Star Wars returned.

...

Jokes aside this is a chance for redemption as much as it is a chance to screw up yet more.

[liyroot]

Star Wars is making a metric fuck ton of money. And a lot of people need something new to watch constantly. The visuals are pretty good, sometimes even spectacular. So, Star Wars will continue to do good.
Mandalorian S3 Ep 2 was the last bit of Star Wars for me though. "Oh my god! Tie Intercepters! What the fuck are we gonna do?!" Idk, cause I turned off my tv and I'm never watching that shart again.

[loras]

IMO the toxic "fandom" just can't let go of their childhood. Star Wars ultimately is a kids show, everyone was introduced into the galaxy far far away as a child and looking through the eyes of a ten year old all the movies are amazing. But we grow up and we want Star Wars to stay as magical as we remember it. We grow up and some of us don't realize that it's still a show for children and expect things from Star Wars it can't deliver and they become toxic.

The thing that should happen is for Disney to make another show/movie like Andor aimed at a more adult audience. Let Star Wars go down two roads, G/TV-Y and M/TV-14.

I sort of share that assessment of the SW fandom, they lack a capacity for perspective.
But the third set of three movies did have two parts of poor luck:
- Poor trilogy planning; a trilogy not properly planned from the start, well, that has predictable results.
- Coinciding with the woke movement. Let's be honest the woke just have that Midas' touch except it turns into shit real quick rather than gold.


I'm not much of a fan of SW myself, but i did watch the prequels as a young kid (i was like 7 or 8 at the time) and thought it was great, especially all the robots and the big underwater monsters (might be that was later?), oh and Qui Gon Jin (not sure if i spelled that right) vs. Darth Maul after the palace stuff.
Watched the first three movies much later and honestly i was thoroughly unimpressed.

So yeah it did always seem like something that requires a child's perspective to truly be enjoyed, though i did enjoy the 7th movie as well. The later ones? Eh.
Then there was that side movie where they try to get the plans of the death star and everybody dies, that's at least the best one in recent times imo.
(i just realised i did see a lot of SW stuff for someone who is not a fan, heh, i blame the fans with whom i frequently associate)

[minteK917]

Hopefully for them its not anytime soon. The star wars fatigue was real. And some or these ideas sounds fine and some not so much. The Rey stuff is unlikely to work out well. For two reasons, a movie needs an intense conflict, so basicly we will just retread the journey of luke when his academy blew up or hers work out just to tell everyone shes simply better then Luke. Either way the premise is unlikely to be fun to most people. Honestly the thing is Ridley was perfect to play a much darker hero, she should have turned dark lol. She has good expression when mad on screen. Was just a huge opportunity waste to make her just ultimately just be luke, a better luke if her academy works. Instead her trilogy could have ended with a new sith empress or some kind if anti hero and everyone would have actually waited for a sequel for any amount of time. I am just not sure how nobody at disney push for this.