Trolls in M+ Group Finder

[Cynical Asshole]

Very very often you can see a 0/0/1 group just...sitting there for 10-20 minutes. Doesn't invite anyone, nor does it go away. If you apply, you either get instantly declined or just ignored.

Either people start a group and immediately go afk for some reason, OR there are some trolls who do this on purpose because they get off at annoying people and possibly enjoying the whispers from very high rated and geared players asking why they are being declined. Or it's some guy pissed off at being declined, so now he makes a group just to decline people too.

[czarek]

Huh maybe a little. Still better than leavers after one wipe and whole run a key is goin to hell.

[Eazy]

Some people are stupid/behave absurdly.

More news at 10:00.

[MrLachyG]

Very very often you can see a 0/0/1 group just...sitting there for 10-20 minutes. Doesn't invite anyone, nor does it go away. If you apply, you either get instantly declined or just ignored.

Either people start a group and immediately go afk for some reason, OR there are some trolls who do this on purpose because they off at annoying people and possibly enjoying the whispers from very high rated and geared players asking why they are being declined. Or it's some guy pissed off at being declined, so now he makes a group just to decline people too.

I've seen weird stuff going on in the group finder. Molten Core groups for example with 10+ people in them, joined one only to immediately get kicked. swap to alliance to whisper the leader, they never respond.

[Puri]

Me: Hey guys, anyone wanna do my m+x?
-no reply for a minute-
"Your Keystone is listed"
Guild 2: Yeah sure, were just in YYY, me and frank will join in 10 minutes
Me: Great, I'll keep the stone listed so I can choose from a wide range of applicants when they finally join, also Mike should come online in about 10 minutes, perhaps he wants to tank.

[Mendzia]

Works as intended to me.
You can do it too.

[Cynical Asshole]

Me: Hey guys, anyone wanna do my m+x?
-no reply for a minute-
"Your Keystone is listed"
Guild 2: Yeah sure, were just in YYY, me and frank will join in 10 minutes
Me: Great, I'll keep the stone listed so I can choose from a wide range of applicants when they finally join, also Mike should come online in about 10 minutes, perhaps he wants to tank.

Except for one tiny detail: Applicants are not going to wait for long for you to invite people, if they see a minute has passed and no invite came, then they will assume they are not wanted, so they will cancel and apply to other groups because you can only apply to 5 groups at the same time.

[Puri]

Except for one tiny detail: Applicants are not going to wait for long for you to invite people, if they see a minute has passed and no invite came, then they will assume they are not wanted, so they will cancel and apply to other groups because you can only apply to 5 groups at the same time.

Really? You can only apply to 5 groups at a time? I wasn't aware of that.
But it's pretty irrelevant for the one who opened the listing, he still will have more people to choose from who are within your self given one minute time frame than when recreating the group at a later point.

[Ealyssa]

Except for one tiny detail: Applicants are not going to wait for long for you to invite people, if they see a minute has passed and no invite came, then they will assume they are not wanted, so they will cancel and apply to other groups because you can only apply to 5 groups at the same time.

That’s just not true at all

Tell me you never listed your key without telling me you never listed your key…

[daytonbrown]

I've seen weird stuff going on in the group finder. Molten Core groups for example with 10+ people in them, joined one only to immediately get kicked. swap to alliance to whisper the leader, they never respond.

I see Molten Core groups all the time, I was wondering this too.
Does anyone know why there are Molten Core groups with 10 sometimes 20 people in them?

[loras]

Very very often you can see a 0/0/1 group just...sitting there for 10-20 minutes. Doesn't invite anyone, nor does it go away. If you apply, you either get instantly declined or just ignored.

Either people start a group and immediately go afk for some reason, OR there are some trolls who do this on purpose because they off at annoying people and possibly enjoying the whispers from very high rated and geared players asking why they are being declined. Or it's some guy pissed off at being declined, so now he makes a group just to decline people too.

You know, sometimes it's not other people who hurt you, it's you who hurts you.

That said.

Knowing there are people that are annoyed by this makes it like 1000% more enticing to do.
Which still isn't very enticing, but at least it's up for any consideration now.

[MrLachyG]

I see Molten Core groups all the time, I was wondering this too.
Does anyone know why there are Molten Core groups with 10 sometimes 20 people in them?

I’ve asked before and gotten no reply. It’s not twinks because there’s max level players, it can’t be a level thing because you can solo it at level 40-45. You get no xp from it. It’s so odd

[Soikona]

I asked the same question, why do this… apparently it stops you being logged out due to being AFK. Not sure why that’s an issue, since even on launch, my server didn’t have a queue.

[Garymorilix]

Me: Hey guys, anyone wanna do my m+x?
-no reply for a minute-
"Your Keystone is listed"
Guild 2: Yeah sure, were just in YYY, me and frank will join in 10 minutes
Me: Great, I'll keep the stone listed so I can choose from a wide range of applicants when they finally join, also Mike should come online in about 10 minutes, perhaps he wants to tank.

That is a naive take.

In reality, when these 1 person groups sit in queue for a long time all they are waiting for is a high-score stack to carry them thru it. Nothing else.
Some even have the "decency" (or nerve) to write 'LF Stack' in the description or the title.

So OP don't get worked up.
Wait like 20-30 secs then bounce to the next.

[SinR]

I should do this on my Pally.

List a +8 or something, queue as a Healer, go away for 30 minutes and play Pokemon or something

[RahEndymion]

I think the strange thing is that you have a sense of entitlement to be invited to an empty group?

I regularly post a key before I've finished questing/crafting/AH etc. It will have 50-100 applications (depending on key, level, time of day etc) within about 15 mins. The overwhelming majority are chars that have '10k rating main' that's never linked on Rio and 360ilvl or 380ilvl that's really 360 with 424ring that will get declined. That then leaves me with 30-40 decently geared characters. Out of that I'm going to be looking for a minimum of 2 but likely more things:

Mandatory -
1. Combat res
2. Bloodlust / Heroism
Preferred / Depends on Instance -
3. Mass dispel
4. Aoe interrupts / short CD interrupts
5. Decurse/Remove Disease etc
6. Mind Soothe / Enrage dispel
7. Traps / CC
8. Shroud

Now all of that isn't even taking into consideration the 'meta' etc. So you probably in a situation where the person listing the key has guildies or friends who are coming that have multiple characters in multiple roles. So you list the group, let everyone apply, find a few characters that tick specific boxes and then back fill the remaining with whatever your group can provide.

The instant decline is because you do not meet the ilvl requirement set by the group to the best of my knowledge. It sounds to me like you're not being invited because you have the potential to fill one of the requirements above but your ilvl / rating means you're not really a first choice so your invite is treated as a safety net.

In this scenario, you need to run your own keys. As a Holy Priest, I managed to pug my own keys up to about 2.1k before I had to rely on friends / guildies because Holy is just so far from meta. It was hard work for the last little push to 2.5 but if it's achievable with the bottom ranked healing spec it's achievable with whatever you're playing.

As an aside to anyone not OP reading this: I regularly get whispers from angry DPS players telling me I'm an asshole because I didn't invite them to a group. Whispering someone to tell them they should ignore higher ilvl players with higher rating because you can definitely 100% do the instance is not helpful. I don't want to do the instance, I want to smash the instance. I'm not going to make it take longer because you can't be bothered to run your own keys and build yourself a carry. Stop it.

[Puri]

That is a naive take.

In reality, when these 1 person groups sit in queue for a long time all they are waiting for is a high-score stack to carry them thru it. Nothing else.
Some even have the "decency" (or nerve) to write 'LF Stack' in the description or the title.

So OP don't get worked up.
Wait like 20-30 secs then bounce to the next.

That's a curious take when we did that literally yesterday.
Friend asked if we were up to a key, we said yes, were one player short. One friend said he has to go to the bathroom, which means he might be gone for 20 seconds or 20 minutes.
So the one who was asking for the key already listed it, he was alone, we were still on our alts doing worldquests waiting for our other friend to come back from the bathroom. He did after 10 minutes, that time the key was already listed. We logged, and just as we were discussing which one of the applicants we would pick another friend came online, and we could unlist the key without even anyone inviting.
That's just things that happen.

[erifwodahs]

Except for one tiny detail: Applicants are not going to wait for long for you to invite people, if they see a minute has passed and no invite came, then they will assume they are not wanted, so they will cancel and apply to other groups because you can only apply to 5 groups at the same time.

lol no. People 100% apply multiple times even if full 5min timer goes through - I usually que a key while waiting for 1-2 buddies to join and we need two competent bodies. Same people 100% apply. Also I did my 24 TJS like that yesterday - got invited into it during my second application, timed it no problem.

[Twdft]

Very very often you can see a 0/0/1 group just...sitting there for 10-20 minutes. Doesn't invite anyone, nor does it go away. If you apply, you either get instantly declined or just ignored.

They wait for specific applications: teams of 4 who want to get a certain key done. Basically waiting for a free boost in exchange for the key that team needs.

[Garymorilix]

That's a curious take when we did that literally yesterday.
Friend asked if we were up to a key, we said yes, were one player short. One friend said he has to go to the bathroom, which means he might be gone for 20 seconds or 20 minutes.
So the one who was asking for the key already listed it, he was alone, we were still on our alts doing worldquests waiting for our other friend to come back from the bathroom. He did after 10 minutes, that time the key was already listed. We logged, and just as we were discussing which one of the applicants we would pick another friend came online, and we could unlist the key without even anyone inviting.
That's just things that happen.

You assume I am not petty enough to check on the people who kept declining/relisting their key alone for 20-30-40 mins after a couple of hours.
20's key listed by a 2500 score person who has none or 1-2 20's in time.
Then they somehow manage to get a 3k score premade and THEN they do the key.

Always the same. Waiting for the free carries.
Your case might be correct as well. Doesn't make my claim any less true. Be happy you are the exception.