If the 2024 Election was now, who would you consider out of those announced running?

[draynay]

Biden, a dingbat, and a bunch of Republican shitbags, gee I wonder who.

[unfilteredJW]

Jesus fucking christ,

If you are going to post something like this, at least have some minor fucking knowledge about the people in the post.

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Kennedy because he's not senile like Biden.

Also with post histories like this, who needs a mask.

[Milchshake]

@Flarelaine it's lazy and factually wrong. Missing candidates that have announced and including people that haven't.

[Doctor Amadeus]

@Flarelaine it's lazy and factually wrong. Missing candidates that have announced and including people that haven't.

I left room for write ins of any I’ve missed. And the list of potential candidates in the photo are from reliable sources. The question is just about who’s considered.

[Flarelaine]

@Flarelaine it's lazy and factually wrong. Missing candidates that have announced and including people that haven't.

The opening post/poll is sloppily done, but at least it's not built on an outright lie like that other thread was. A discussion includes the option of correcting the premises.

[Shadowferal]

The media focus will see-saw up and down on certain individuals as time plays out. Tim Scott, Nikki Haley, Williamson, Kennedy etc, will get their moment. But neither of the democrat challengers are seen in any way as serious contenders.

[Poopymonster]

Lol yeah I remember that bridge thing and the beaches, but I thought he went against Trump in the end. But wow 80% I wasn't aware if NJ was a Red, Blue or Purple State.

The most I remembered of Chris Christie were the fat jokes.

Chris hugged Obama. In public.
The GoP never forgave him for that.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

The opening post/poll is sloppily done, but at least it's not built on an outright lie like that other thread was. A discussion includes the option of correcting the premises.

I don't know how you define an "outright lie"... but listing people that haven't announced and claiming that they have sure does fit my definition.

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If nothing else, some posters prove that you don't need even basic knowledge to actually be confident in your opinion on something.

A little Dunning-Kreuger goes a long way.

[Flarelaine]

I don't know how you define an "outright lie"... but listing people that haven't announced and claiming that they have sure does fit my definition.

Most of the listed have at least floated the idea. DeSantis is an obvious exception, but I daresay most newswatchers agree he's after the White House. In any event, this is a "what if" thread, not a "this actually happened, be outraged" one.

[Kathandira]

Christie won't win over NJ.

While I agree that it is sensible to believe this. NJs political landscape is slowly changing. I would not be shocked in the least if Christie actually did well here. People here are pretty dumb politically.

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I thought he was loved in New Jersey at one time.

During his term in office, he shut down our beaches, and then was found lounging on the beach with his family. We take our beaches pretty seriously, and he basically slapped the state across the face.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...m%20the%20park.

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He also got caught lying about going to the beach at the same time he was closing them for everyone else for Covid.

Small correction. Chris Christie was not governor of NJ during Covid. Beaches were closed due to a state government shutdown.

[Shadowferal]

Most of the listed have at least floated the idea. DeSantis is an obvious exception, but I daresay most newswatchers agree he's after the White House. In any event, this is a "what if" thread, not a "this actually happened, be outraged" one.

I believe part of this "what if" scenario is who could be more acceptable as a gop contender that could give a reasonable challenge to Biden? And in my opinion I only see Pence in that uncertain light. (Abortion topic will kill his chances)

While I agree that it is sensible to believe this. NJs political landscape is slowly changing. I would not be shocked in the least if Christie actually did well here. People here are pretty dumb politically.

Hmm...yea...the extreme southern areas in particular. But I believe AC and Atlantic County hates him. His relationship with Obama made nicey-nice politics but did little to help those areas after Hurricane Sandy. Indeed, I can't imagine any county along the coastline feeling warm and fuzzy at all towards Christie.

[Lynarii]

While I agree that it is sensible to believe this. NJs political landscape is slowly changing. I would not be shocked in the least if Christie actually did well here. People here are pretty dumb politically.

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During his term in office, he shut down our beaches, and then was found lounging on the beach with his family. We take our beaches pretty seriously, and he basically slapped the state across the face.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...m%20the%20park.

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Small correction. Chris Christie was not governor of NJ during Covid. Beaches were closed due to a state government shutdown.

Ahh yes, this is absolutely correct. It was failure to pass a budget that shut the beach down, not Covid. Same general feels for the public, but thank you for the more accurate details. I mostly remember the "Gov Christie was not getting any sun over the weekend" "Well, that was technically true because he was wearing a hat on the beach" whole stupidity.

[Karreck]

If I had to choose between the listed candidates, I would vote for Biden in a heartbeat.
I'm not going to like doing it, and the whole time I will wish there was a better candidate out there, but Biden is easily better than the rest.

[Doctor Amadeus]

What about literally everything else he's involved in? Do you support his other positions?

Well if it's between him and Trump, I THINK, I would pick DeSantis. NO, I don't like him, but I didn't like Bush, or Reagan or Nixon, but if old enough or the last two were still alive along with Bush. I'd vote for them over Trump.

The question for me is would I vote for DeSantis over Biden.


As for your question do I support virtually everyone of his other Policies, let me be clear...... FUCK NO!

But unlike Trump he is qualified and not a complete idiot.

As I said the only thing I agree with DeSantis is his tough on crime stance. Everything else I HAVE A FUNDAMENTAL opposition to.


As for Biden, I would have oddly enough had Bernie. That said, Biden is NOT very far left, he has been in government a LONG TIME. I haven't forgotten about the bullshit he has done in the past either.

That said he did exactly what I hoped which is right the ship from the disaster that was Trump. The problem is it wasn't until his administration we actually have the consequences of what Trump cost the U.S in both reputation and fucking I.Q IMO!

I do not like SOO MANY things about Joe, but is that enough not to support him, probably not. He does need to stop fucking Pandering though do what he set out to do.

[tehdang]

Tim Scott, Nikki Haley, Ron DeSantis

For the (D)'s, maybe I'd consider Marianne Williamson. But she has to prove herself in debates against the other two.

[Lynarii]

As I said the only thing I agree with DeSantis is his tough on crime stance. Everything else I HAVE A FUNDAMENTAL opposition to.

Can I ask what of his 'tough on crime' stance has actually achieved results that you are happy with?

Mostly I question because in practice, most of the 'tough on crime' legislation has been more about revenge porn than anything that actually reduces crime and makes places any safer. It has also frequently been a dog whistle to justify attacking poor people and minorities, particularly black people.

Very few politicians LIKE violent crime or theft or the like in their area. Everyone is looking for ways to reduce it. But don't fall for rhetoric, if you actually start looking at rates it turns out that a place like New York (getting lambasted for being 'soft on crime' and having crime out of control) has a rate below the national average and has been going down in the last few years, while Florida, where DeSantis is seen as being 'tough on crime' despite his state having a rate that is above the national average and going up. Is it really being 'tough on crime' if his policies have led to an increase in it?

[Doctor Amadeus]

Can I ask what of his 'tough on crime' stance has actually achieved results that you are happy with?

Mostly I question because in practice, most of the 'tough on crime' legislation has been more about revenge porn than anything that actually reduces crime and makes places any safer. It has also frequently been a dog whistle to justify attacking poor people and minorities, particularly black people.

Very few politicians LIKE violent crime or theft or the like in their area. Everyone is looking for ways to reduce it. But don't fall for rhetoric, if you actually start looking at rates it turns out that a place like New York (getting lambasted for being 'soft on crime' and having crime out of control) has a rate below the national average and has been going down in the last few years, while Florida, where DeSantis is seen as being 'tough on crime' despite his state having a rate that is above the national average and going up. Is it really being 'tough on crime' if his policies have led to an increase in it?

Depends on what kind of crime and who.

I like the tough on crime zero tolerance prosecutions and long prison times for violent crimes and burglaries. I also like the punishment for the worst violent crimes as well.

As far as results seems the influx of people moving to Florida and his approval rating counter some stated results.

[Captain N]

Depends on what kind of crime and who.

I like the tough on crime zero tolerance prosecutions and long prison times for violent crimes and burglaries. I also like the punishment for the worst violent crimes as well.

As far as results seems the influx of people moving to Florida and his approval rating counter some stated results.

Nonsense. You literally advocate for violent crime every time someone posts about law enforcement shooting someone. You should just take the mask off and admit that you love all that stuff when its done to minorities, but never when the criminals are police officers.

[Lynarii]

Depends on what kind of crime and who.

I like the tough on crime zero tolerance prosecutions and long prison times for violent crimes and burglaries. I also like the punishment for the worst violent crimes as well.

As far as results seems the influx of people moving to Florida and his approval rating counter some stated results.

How does people moving to Florida change results? The crime rate is per capita, so adjusted for population, not raw incident numbers. Unless you're saying that criminals specifically want to go to Florida, which would fly in the face of the idea that his policies are bad for them?

But at least you do admit you're mostly in for the revenge porn. It's okay if the crime rate goes up, so long as you get to see the 'wrong people' suffer.

[Doctor Amadeus]

How does people moving to Florida change results? The crime rate is per capita, so adjusted for population, not raw incident numbers. Unless you're saying that criminals specifically want to go to Florida, which would fly in the face of the idea that his policies are bad for them?

But at least you do admit you're mostly in for the revenge porn. It's okay if the crime rate goes up, so long as you get to see the 'wrong people' suffer.

Well the problem with polls and statistics is that from as much as you see there’s very much what you don’t see. Which is why it’s never a good idea to rely too much on them.

Obviously some metrics are better than others but. Going by other data is important too.

For example how happy are people with their government. What are the demographics, who lives there. Who’s moving in, who’s moving out where are they moving. Who’s moving retired, younger, snow birds.

Of course who represents those people. Each county can vary as much as each state.

I don’t like Florida over all. I would not like to live there climate being a huge factor. But also too a lot of the over step of the government.

I do like their approach to crime. Such as not letting criminals drive away unchecked.

Criminal prosecutions. Intrastate cooperation, local and state governments from what I’ve seen being supported by the attorney general and the governor’s office.

That I do like. I also like the laws that protect property and ones person as well.

Nowhere is perfect but criminal justice they seem to have right.