Official Classic Hardcore is Coming

[Nachtigal]

Forced? You not being forced

Perhaps you’ve misunderstood me. In the context with which I was speaking, yes, you are. If your intent is to make a hardcore character on a hardcore server, you are forced into being a hardcore character on that hardcore server. There is no circumventing that enforcement.

With everyone who wants to be playing on a hardcore server, since there’s no way to not be a hardcore character on a hardcore server, I think we should at least be able to mail items to our alts.

I could be happy with a hardcore where we can mail stuff between our own characters, but the AH is completely disabled. Add in guild banks for guilds to work together for raid materials, possibly look into temporary bans and/or item restoration for guild bank ninjas.

[Hexian]

It’s pretty easy to enforce no AH, just don’t have the auctioneers in game.

My concern is the appeal process for death. What if you die due to servers crashing?

[WowIsDead64]

Now when we have Classic Hardcore, can we also have Retail Casual?

[The Oblivion]

It’s pretty easy to enforce no AH, just don’t have the auctioneers in game.

My concern is the appeal process for death. What if you die due to servers crashing?

sucks to suck? thats just life of any game in hardcore, you can die in d3 with disconnect/lag, poe with lag, tons of survival games as well. you just have to accept the risk.

there should be NO appeal process. waste of time and resources.

[TomGreen]

How about making something that will last. hmmm classic plus? Ohhh that requires effort.

It's got nothing to do with effort. Current blizzard is simply incapable of making vanilla style content cause they suck at it. I'm sure they know this too if they attempted it the likely outcome would be the classic community absolutely berating and shouting profanities at the classic team because they made something that was historically inaccurate and off base with the lore. The people that made vanilla are not at the company anymore so don't expect to see vanilla content.

[Zka]

I'm very curious how the official HC would work. I guess it's just gonna be something ridicolous like you cannot res and that's all.
Dozens of things need to be changed, for example removing pvp entirely, preventing griefing, limiting trades and grouping, handling appeals due to bugs and so on. Something tells me they don't give a fuck about all these, but I really want to be wrong.

[facefist]

SoM was not classic plus. Its just classic with changed stats.

PLUS means a new direction and new content never seen.

try googling Aion classic. Brand new content never seen before. people was hyped.

I bolded the important part. It would die just as fast as HC. You think it's a good idea because you like it, and people who like HC think it's a good idea.

[Mendzia]

I don't see bots being still a thing on HC realms.
It is very unlikely that it is monetairly worth to leave PC running and hope that your shitty scripted boi won't die meanwhile.
They only thing that comes to my mind is safespot fishbots.

It’s pretty easy to enforce no AH, just don’t have the auctioneers in game.

My concern is the appeal process for death. What if you die due to servers crashing?

GIGACHAD quote from old Diablo 2 team about HC:

Note: Blizzard Entertainment is in no way responsible for your Hardcore character. If you choose to create and play a Hardcore character, you do so at your own risk. Blizzard is not responsible for the death and loss of your hardcore characters for any reason including Internet lag, bugs, Acts of God, your little sister, or any other reason whatsoever. Consult the End User License Agreement for more details. Blizzard will not, and does not have the capability to restore any deceased Hardcore characters. Don't even ask. La-la-la-la-la, we can't hear you...

I'd love to see it here too... but very unlikely in our times for edgy stuff like this.

[crusadernero]

Your living in a dream world of hype.

Most people will not like to play as HC. They will create a toon, when they die at 1-12 they will leave and quit.

Ofc most people wont play HC classic. Its obvious. As I said, every game has initial hype and then it fades off. Every. God. Damn. Game.

But its a feature that is popular enough that its worth for Blizzard to create a server for it. Its not like this will require thousand of hours of work to get done either. We already have classic era servers, so its just a matter of adding a HC one.

Whats funny though - im not living in a dream world of hype. Im living in it right now, on live classic era servers. Were thers people everywhere and smany guilds with 1000 members. Its been going on for a while now and people aint tierd of it.

If anything, Blizz is late to the party.

[Assaultx]

First time after Legion blizz going into right direction. all my friends will play those version and all my guild(40-56 years ppl) will play this

[crusadernero]

GIGACHAD quote from old Diablo 2 team about HC:

Note: Blizzard Entertainment is in no way responsible for your Hardcore character. If you choose to create and play a Hardcore character, you do so at your own risk. Blizzard is not responsible for the death and loss of your hardcore characters for any reason including Internet lag, bugs, Acts of God, your little sister, or any other reason whatsoever. Consult the End User License Agreement for more details. Blizzard will not, and does not have the capability to restore any deceased Hardcore characters. Don't even ask. La-la-la-la-la, we can't hear you...

I'd love to see it here too... but very unlikely in our times for edgy stuff like this.

Thats the perfect response honestly. Appeals would become the number one issue at Blizzard if it would be a thing.

This is kind of like choosing to playing on a pvp server and get mad when someone from the other faction kills you over and over.

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I'm very curious how the official HC would work. I guess it's just gonna be something ridicolous like you cannot res and that's all.
Dozens of things need to be changed, for example removing pvp entirely, preventing griefing, limiting trades and grouping, handling appeals due to bugs and so on. Something tells me they don't give a fuck about all these, but I really want to be wrong.

They for sure wont have an appeal option. If they do, SO many people will appeal the death. Literally any kind of death situation. they would be drowning in appeals.

They could do something to remove pvp entirely and work out some grief tactics.

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It’s pretty easy to enforce no AH, just don’t have the auctioneers in game.

My concern is the appeal process for death. What if you die due to servers crashing?

Then you died. This is not complicated. There are hundreds, probably thousand of reasons people die in this game. If there were appeal option, BLizz would be flooded daily.

[oldgeezer]

I'm very curious how the official HC would work. I guess it's just gonna be something ridicolous like you cannot res and that's all.
Dozens of things need to be changed, for example removing pvp entirely, preventing griefing, limiting trades and grouping, handling appeals due to bugs and so on. Something tells me they don't give a fuck about all these, but I really want to be wrong.

I don't see why any of that needs changing, just character deletion on death. Everything else is an inherent risk and should be understood as such when playing hardcore.

[crusadernero]

I don't see why any of that needs changing, just character deletion on death. Everything else is an inherent risk and should be understood as such when playing hardcore.

Tbh I think its going to be hysterical seeing streamers level up on these servers if Blizzard doesnt do much changes when it comes to pvp or griefing options.

[Just Passing through]

This is stupid.

Blizzard sees X streamers pulling tons of viewers when playing hardcore. Hey EVERYONE will play this.

Reality: When it releases, it will be hyped for a few days, people will see how boring hardcore is and how often you die, because regular joe is terrible at the game or don't want to play it safe and slow. They will leave.

Failed project.

NOTHING in WoW was ever "It is popular on Twitch so EVERYONE will do it"^^

But hardcore worked for me and for Diablo 2 - actually too good.....because I still try not to die and have abandoned even lv 60 toons, when they died. Sure - it restricts me from dungeons and pvp, but I am not a big fan of that anyhow.

Also I liked the idea of having an "Undying" / "Immortal" Achievement, to do a raid without any member dying.

Yes, that is me and streamers and their viewer - "tons" of them. You can hate it and with your absolute knowledge that it will fail, you should make that talent into money in the gaming industry. And even more with your knowledge that Classic Plus will last....whatever would be in it ^^

Hell..it could be an even bigger wasted effort or failed project. man...depending who you ask, Classic was "failed project" - you certainly would have noticed that threads like these existed...seeing you joined in 2018

Monk most unpopular class - should it have never been included because "nobody" plays it. Same for some unpopular races and speccs.

...and as you say...it requires apparently no effort. So there is no loss if it fails.

[Mysterymask]

Raid with hardcore, wipe... okay everyone remake a new character and meet back here in a month's time. :V

Honestly that's not an awful thing hell I would love to see the change in the meta with this.

Dungeons/raids would have to be slower and more articulate because an accidental death is BRUTAL. Raid clears would have a lot more meaning because that means you survived and one death and everything you did is just GONE. World first Classic raids meant nothing but world first Hardcore Classic Raids would have a bit more meaning especially when they went in with 40 and come out with like 28 and it only gets worse as the raids go up. Can you imagine an entire raiding guild losing half their roster to fucking FROGGER, or even one idiot booster standing on the wrong side of Thaddius and destroying half a guild who worked their ass off to get that far.

PVP flags would be a much scarier thing and forcing it would be the ultimate troll move besides now the pvp option for removing bots is more than easy enough to pull off and clear. Truth be told anyone who kites Kazaak to Stormwind or something would be absolutely HILARIOUS...would imagine blizzard just kinda making sure that doesn't happen.

Only caveat I see is battlegrounds. AV wouldn't be very fun when it suddenly turns to a 1v0 cause everyone else is just kinda dead.

[danki1337]

This is stupid.

Blizzard sees X streamers pulling tons of viewers when playing hardcore. Hey EVERYONE will play this.

Reality: When it releases, it will be hyped for a few days, people will see how boring hardcore is and how often you die, because regular joe is terrible at the game or don't want to play it safe and slow. They will leave.

Failed project.

How about making something that will last. hmmm classic plus? Ohhh that requires effort.

it takes them VERY little effort to clone a server, rename, add a if you die you cant revive setting and ship it, 99% of the code and job is already done, and it provides content for the community, it offers them quite abit of income as it cant cost that much to run the server on the same cluster as another, its just win win even if ith as 300players as thats 300subs. why be a hater? it does not affect anyone who is not interested in hardcore, we will also get fresh servers ontop of this option.

[RobertMugabe]

I'm very curious how the official HC would work. I guess it's just gonna be something ridicolous like you cannot res and that's all.
Dozens of things need to be changed, for example removing pvp entirely, preventing griefing, limiting trades and grouping, handling appeals due to bugs and so on. Something tells me they don't give a fuck about all these, but I really want to be wrong.

According to the interview, if you die, you're a ghost forever so yeah you can't res, that's the whole point.

IMO they shouldn't and most likely won't have any appeals at all. If you die, you die, no matter what happened.
But they will probably do a lot of work to prevent greefing, at the very least by removing pvp entirely and being able to kite mobs indefinitely, which is 99% of the time how people get griefed. And of course naturally by everyone being a hardcore character on the server, the griefers themselves will have a very hard time too, as they can perma-die too.

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This is stupid.

Blizzard sees X streamers pulling tons of viewers when playing hardcore. Hey EVERYONE will play this.

Reality: When it releases, it will be hyped for a few days, people will see how boring hardcore is and how often you die, because regular joe is terrible at the game or don't want to play it safe and slow. They will leave.

Failed project.

How about making something that will last. hmmm classic plus? Ohhh that requires effort.

On one side you're right, HC definitely isn't as popular in reality as it seems, like "normal" Classic Era is multitudes bigger now and Wrath Classic even more so.
HOWEVER, it takes Blizzard very little effort to just add a hardcore server per region. Yeah sure, some changes will need to be done, but those are all very small and probably won't have to scrap a raid tier for it to happen... Like seriously, private servers with 2-3 developers have managed to pull of that stuff with very little effort. I am sure, Blizzard can do this as well.
AND to add to this, that Blizzard dev has also confirmed that they are working on a new Classic Era "Season" (non-hardcore), which is definitely very popular right now.

[MouseD]

This reminds me of what many were doing years back called Iron Man....could only use white or grey gear....no greens...blues...if you died you had to start over....no dungeons....no raids....no party group and so on ....pretty much like this HC is.

[Otaka]

Now when we have Classic Hardcore, can we also have Retail Casual?

It already is and has been for years.

[Ealyssa]

but very unlikely in our times for edgy stuff like this.

cost cutting isn't "edgy" at all. Blizzard won't pay support just to revive dead HC character. It 100% will be like Diablo